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Old 12-24-2008   #1
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Amobi Okoye
54 total tackles, 6.5 sacks, 2 forces fumbles in his first two seasons.

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106 total tackles, 2 sacks, 1 int, and one forced fumble in 4 seasons.

What do you all think?

I think Johnson is, but Okoye i will give him 2 more seasons to grow before labeling him a bust, he is the youngest player in the NFL i believe, or at least one of the youngest.

It is frustrating because IMO we need a speed pass rushed and a guy to clog up the holes on defense, but we cant keep drafting D line man in the first round and hope we land another Mario Williams type player.
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Considering Marios size and combine results...we wont see another like him for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME.

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If they were third round picks they might be, but since they are first rounders, no. They are just developmental players that the Texans have the opportunity to pay miillions of dollars to.

The league needs to take control of rookie contracts.
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I have justified hope in young Okoye, but I'm ready to part ways with TJ. I wish him well, but he's just not what we want him to be.
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Default Re: Are Amobi Okoye and Travis Johnson Busts?

Considering that Amobi showed flashes of greatness in his rookie season until he hit the wall, and that he's been hampered by a high ankle sprain during the second season, to declare him a bust already would be like declaring Mario a bust during his rookie season.

(Some of you did that, ya know, and you know who you are. )

As for Travis Johnson, either he agrees to restructure, or cut bait.
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Until I see a coaching staff that actually understands how to use people's best abilities to their advantage, I'm not ready to label anyone a bust. Both of these guys are not being used correctly. As soon as we get a real DC who understands this and maximizes their God given talent, I say it's premature.
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Considering that Amobi showed flashes of greatness in his rookie season until he hit the wall, and that he's been hampered by a high ankle sprain during the second season, to declare him a bust already would be like declaring Mario a bust during his rookie season.

(Some of you did that, ya know, and you know who you are. )

As for Travis Johnson, either he agrees to restructure, or cut bait.
I completely agree with this. You have to factor in Amobi's age and that he's demonstrated some ability at times. He's got a little more time to show up before you start seriously worrying about him being a bust. It's ok to have an "uneasy feeling" right now but it's too soon to be certain that he'll not work out.

Travis just disgusts me beyond belief. I can't even objectively comment on him because all I see is the player he could be. Arguably had we not gone on a Matt Millen-like DL "binge" and instead drafted linebackers in 2005 and 2007 we could be looking at Derrick Johnson, DeMeco Ryans, and Patrick Willis. Sure you gotta figure out who plays where but I look at that and just shake my head. We wouldn't have Travis Johnson (Oh no, what would we ever do without that fat worthless sack of crap standing around the line of scrimmage?) and we wouldn't have Amobi who "might" become something special.

Pitiful. TJ you can replace with any street free agent and not see a drop in play. Amobi we're going to have to wait 3 years to get a true result out of.
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Default Re: Are Amobi Okoye and Travis Johnson Busts?

Neither are "busts".

Travis Johnson is a solid NFL DT. He isn't a star, and wasn't a first round talent, but he is a solid player. He got drafted into a fan base angry about passing of Derrick Johnson and into a scheme that he didn't fit (we ran an attempt at a 3-4 at the time). He is more of an UT, but struggles to get to the QB. He is a border-line NFL starter.

Amobi Okoye is still just a kid. He was a big project, and he needs to develop more. He has a ton of talent. I would like to see him drop a few pounds honestly and focus on being quicker off the line. It seems that he is a little slower this year.

I think both players are hindered by playing next to each other. Both are right around 300 but are finesse players. Essentially, the coaching staff needs to pick one guy and develop him properly. I think that the player they chose to keep would be best suited next to a more traditional NT.

When it comes down to it, I would keep Amobi and either re-negoiate with Travis to a reserve pay or trade him for a second day pick like a 3rd or 4th rounder.
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I am not a fan of TJ but I think Amobi will be ok, he may not ever justify where he was picked but he can be an above average player. He is still young and has been asked to play oin a scheme that does not fit his skii set. He is under sized with good speed and should be shooting intot he back field instead of reading and reacting. Once those big linemen get ahold of him he just does not seem to have the skills to get loose and pursue. Also when e is next to TJ they are both a waste, both TJ and Amobi play better when they are next to other tackles instead of each other. I am confident that with a healthy ankle and another years under his belt (22 years old?) and a chnage at DC he will have a good year in 09. At least I am hoping thats the case.
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I am not a fan of TJ but I think Amobi will be ok, he may not ever justify where he was picked but he can be an above average player. He is still young and has been asked to play oin a scheme that does not fit his skii set. He is under sized with good speed and should be shooting intot he back field instead of reading and reacting. Once those big linemen get ahold of him he just does not seem to have the skills to get loose and pursue. Also when e is next to TJ they are both a waste, both TJ and Amobi play better when they are next to other tackles instead of each other. I am confident that with a healthy ankle and another years under his belt (22 years old?) and a chnage at DC he will have a good year in 09. At least I am hoping thats the case.
I may be in the minority but I still believe Amobi can become a star. He has had the ankle problems, is young, and is being asked to be a run stuff. Amobi is a finesse, pass rushing specialist. Get a big run stuffing beast to pair with Amobi, and I can definitely see him becoming a force in the league.
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I may be in the minority but I still believe Amobi can become a star. He has had the ankle problems, is young, and is being asked to be a run stuff. Amobi is a finesse, pass rushing specialist. Get a big run stuffing beast to pair with Amobi, and I can definitely see him becoming a force in the league.
I agree that I think he can be very good and it's hardly time to give up on him. That being said, even as a pass rusher, both Cochran and Bulman are better than he as situational rushers at DT.

I really hope Cochran comes back healthy. Cochran, Bulman, and Robinson are the three best Dlmen, other than Mario, that we've had on this team since GWalker and SPayne in 2002 and 2003.
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I agree that I think he can be very good and it's hardly time to give up on him. That being said, even as a pass rusher, both Cochran and Bulman are better than he as situational rushers at DT.
Look, I really like Cochran and Bulman, but how can you say that after Amobi's first few games in the leage? The guy dominated!

Sophomore slump and an ankle injury. I truly believe we will see many more moments like in the Raiders game when he got the sack fumble.
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Look, I really like Cochran and Bulman, but how can you say that after Amobi's first few games in the leage? The guy dominated!

Sophomore slump and an ankle injury. I truly believe we will see many more moments like in the Raiders game when he got the sack fumble.
He made some plays early last year. But, he never dominated. Bulman has 5 sacks this year also but he never dominated. Besides that, before Cochran's injury, they started lining him up at DT next to Mario on passing downs and Cochran looked great!

I've been criticized plenty on this board defending Amobi. I think he needs 10 lbs of muscle and some growth with his technique. Other than that, he could use a monster DT next to him. Sure. But, Bulman, Cochran, and Robinson are also young guys on the smaller side and playing without a good NT next to them as well. So, no reason to think they won't get better either.
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He made some plays early last year. But, he never dominated. Bulman has 5 sacks this year also but he never dominated. Besides that, before Cochran's injury, they started lining him up at DT next to Mario on passing downs and Cochran looked great!

I've been criticized plenty on this board defending Amobi. I think he needs 10 lbs of muscle and some growth with his technique. Other than that, he could use a monster DT next to him. Sure. But, Bulman, Cochran, and Robinson are also young guys on the smaller side and playing without a good NT next to them as well. So, no reason to think they won't get better either.
Good points man. 4 sacks in 4 games as a rookie is pretty dominating though.

Regardless, I am all for it if Cochran turns into a great player.

It's weird though. I am looking at Amobi's game by game stats from last year, and he was great before the bye week. After that, he did next to nothing and still hasn't recovered. What could have happened? I mean the guy was averaging almost a sack a game and like 3 solo tackles a game. After that, he was lucky to get 1 tackle and had .5 sack.
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TJ? Absolutely. Him being drafted at that position is just so idiotic its unbelievable

Amobi? Too early to tell. Obviously there were several players taken after him that are far better (Revis, Willis, Beason)
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I completely agree with this. You have to factor in Amobi's age and that he's demonstrated some ability at times. He's got a little more time to show up before you start seriously worrying about him being a bust. It's ok to have an "uneasy feeling" right now but it's too soon to be certain that he'll not work out.

Travis just disgusts me beyond belief. I can't even objectively comment on him because all I see is the player he could be. Arguably had we not gone on a Matt Millen-like DL "binge" and instead drafted linebackers in 2005 and 2007 we could be looking at Derrick Johnson, DeMeco Ryans, and Patrick Willis. Sure you gotta figure out who plays where but I look at that and just shake my head. We wouldn't have Travis Johnson (Oh no, what would we ever do without that fat worthless sack of crap standing around the line of scrimmage?) and we wouldn't have Amobi who "might" become something special.
Pitiful. TJ you can replace with any street free agent and not see a drop in play. Amobi we're going to have to wait 3 years to get a true result out of.
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TJ is a spot starter, and valuable member of the DT rotation. He's a bust for where he was drafted, but that ceases to matter the second his rookie contract is signed. He's never going to be what everyone hoped, but he will contribute to the team for a long time.

Okoye is anything but a bust. He has put alot of preasure on QBs this season, but been just 1 step too slow to get the sack. I think it's because of the extra weight he's carrying this season, and the ankle injury. I'd like to see the Texans pick up a big nasty NT and let AO play around 295, so he can regain that step. He would do even better if they put him in a scheme that let's him play to his strengths.
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Okoye is anything but a bust. He has put alot of preasure on QBs this season, but been just 1 step too slow to get the sack. I think it's because of the extra weight he's carrying this season, and the ankle injury. I'd like to see the Texans pick up a big nasty NT and let AO play around 295, so he can regain that step. He would do even better if they put him in a scheme that let's him play to his strengths.
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