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Old 12-15-2008   #1
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Default Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4d26e

Above link is to the steve slaton highlights from this week. There are two things in the video i'd like to bring attention to. The first is the very first play they show. you all probably noticed it ingame. It was the run for nine yards with like 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. four of those yards were gained because eric winston basically shoved the entire pile.

The second is at 1:10 in the video, it was the gain for eight yards just before we went into the victory formation. Watch as eric winston takes out two CB's with one block. Devastating.
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Above link is to the steve slaton highlights from this week. There are two things in the video i'd like to bring attention to. The first is the very first play they show. you all probably noticed it ingame. It was the run for nine yards with like 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. four of those yards were gained because eric winston basically shoved the entire pile.

The second is at 1:10 in the video, it was the gain for eight yards just before we went into the victory formation. Watch as eric winston takes out two CB's with one block.
Two CB's and then combo'd the LB into the corner pocket. Winston was responsible for clearing out 3 defenders with one block. I loved the early play when Winston and Leach just kept moving the pile.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

(Bad caveman reference coming in 3...2...1......)

It was like he had killed an animal and was dragging it back to the cave.

Seriously though: Those guys WANTED the game today. Pure and simple.
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I love that guy but man he has had a tough time in pass pro the last two weeks, first with Kampman and now with Kearse. He was fired up after some of those runs, hes a good one.
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I love that guy but man he has had a tough time in pass pro the last two weeks, first with Kampman and now with Kearse. He was fired up after some of those runs, hes a good one.
He has had his low points and been worked over a couple plays a game. No doubting his "want to".
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

Yeah, Winston did not have a good first half in pass protection. We won, though
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Two CB's and then combo'd the LB into the corner pocket. Winston was responsible for clearing out 3 defenders with one block. I loved the early play when Winston and Leach just kept moving the pile.
upon review, yes... yes he does take out three defenders with one block.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

there was another one around the 3rd quarter that wasnt shown. i think it was winston but that's just a guess, when slaton got turned around and a lineman basically grabbed him under the arms and pulled him another 4 yards.
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there was another one around the 3rd quarter that wasnt shown. i think it was winston but that's just a guess, when slaton got turned around and a lineman basically grabbed him under the arms and pulled him another 4 yards.
It was him.

He carried him like it was a firefighter dragging an old lady out of a burning building: Under the arms, backwards, and for several yards.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

that's a lot of brute strength because slaton's legs were out and he wasnt doing much (if any) of the pushing.
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that's a lot of brute strength because slaton's legs were out and he wasnt doing much (if any) of the pushing.
It was like tug-of-war, basically. And Slaton was the rope.

Don't be surprised if the off-season owner meeting(s) involve a rules committee looking at the issue of whether it's fair for o-linemen to drag ball carriers or not.

I can see Bud Adams saying that it caused the Texans an unfair advantage when the ball carrier was easily stopped in his tracks...and that THAT set of instances helped to defeat his team. I know it sounds petty, but that's the day and age we live in: It's always someone else's fault, so SUE them.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

tell bud adams to bugger off. forward progress.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

If anyone wants to make a video of Winston's three-for-one block, here's a good quote to go with it:

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"That was shoved in our face about how much we got pushed around, and I don't want to say cheap-shotted, but towards-the-end-of-the-whistle hits in Tennessee and it was kind of embarrassing," Winston said of Tennessee's 31-12 Week 3 win in Nashville. "It was kind of like the big brother kind of just pushing us around in Tennessee and we weren't going to have it. It's one thing to get beat, but we were not going to go out there and get beat up."
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tell bud adams to bugger off. forward progress.
Like I said: It's where it will go.

That's how people like Bud Adams think. Always trying to find an angle.
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It was like tug-of-war, basically. And Slaton was the rope.

Don't be surprised if the off-season owner meeting(s) involve a rules committee looking at the issue of whether it's fair for o-linemen to drag ball carriers or not.

I can see Bud Adams saying that it caused the Texans an unfair advantage when the ball carrier was easily stopped in his tracks...and that THAT set of instances helped to defeat his team. I know it sounds petty, but that's the day and age we live in: It's always someone else's fault, so SUE them.
Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.
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Default Re: Eric Winston is strong like oxen.

Why would it be an "unfair advantage" for the Texans to drag the ball carrier? They have 11 guys just like we do. If we drag, try and stop us. If they drag their guys, we'll sure as hell try and stop them.
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Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.
Is this ruling different in college ball? I remember how everyone was up in arms about the "Bush Push" play against Notre Dame a couple years ago.
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Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.
I never said it would result in a rules change.

But I do think it will definitely be brought up, and that's how our society works today: Bring it up. If you don't win the first time? Bring it up again. At some point, you'll gain enough support from other whiners...and it'll gain enough traction and you'll get it passed.

It's worked for all sorts of activist groups in America. No reason to think it won't work for Bud Adams. Maybe not this year. But some day.
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Is this ruling different in college ball? I remember how everyone was up in arms about the "Bush Push" play against Notre Dame a couple years ago.
It's OK when a media darling does it.

Not OK when the Texans do it to a 12-1 team playing for home-field advantage.

See the diff?
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I never said it would result in a rules change.

But I do think it will definitely be brought up, and that's how our society works today: Bring it up. If you don't win the first time? Bring it up again. At some point, you'll gain enough support from other whiners...and it'll gain enough traction and you'll get it passed.

It's worked for all sorts of activist groups in America. No reason to think it won't work for Bud Adams. Maybe not this year. But some day.
Luckily Rick Smith is on the competition committee!

Of course so is Jeff Fisher

Either way, I think it's much ado about nothing. Linemen pushing and pulling running backs happens often enough that I think if they wanted to do something about it, the NFL would by now.
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