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Old 01-04-2005   #1
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"We're sitting here with a lot of weapons I don't think we took full advantage of," defensive end Gary Walker said. "It's disappointing and frustrating. It's even hard for me to talk about because I don't want to say anything to embarrass the organization. This is a proud organization.

It was disappointing to go out there (Sunday) and lose to a team that was 3-12 when you know you should have won the game and we didn't. That's a bad taste to keep in your mouth. It's harder to come to training camp. It's harder to go to the offseason workout programs when you've got a taste like that in your mouth. Nobody wants to end up like that."

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Did he deserve it? Probably not, but that just goes with the territory when you play quarterback in the NFL. Fans in Dallas did the same thing to Troy Aikman when he was a developing quarterback, only to claim they believed in him all along when he started leading the Cowboys to Super Bowls.

"I'm as frustrated as every person in Houston," Carr said. "I'm going to try to do everything I can do to fix it and turn this thing around. I believe we can be in the playoffs next year. I believe we can compete against any team we play."

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"I take it personally," said Walker, who had 6 1/2 sacks in 2002, but just a half-sack since. "I can rush the quarterback, but I have to be put in position to rush the quarterback.

"I think we have a great nucleus here. We just need to continue to add to that and keep our players here that are playing well. We lost (Steve) Foley and (Jeff) Posey and both of them are playing well for other teams.

"I guess they thought Foley wasn't good enough to play here, but he probably should have gone to the Pro Bowl for the Chargers in the same scheme (the 3-4). When you see things like that it's disappointing. I just hope we keep our players here and groom our players here and stop fishing and swimming for something."

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Did Davis save his starting spot?
"If they think getting another back is going to help us win games, get him," Davis said. " ... I'm here to do whatever they need me to do. I'm not here to fuss about this or that. I'm here to play football and that's it."

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Andre gets the ball thrown his way a lot more than you might think. He has been the intended receiver on 124 passes, good for fourth in the AFC and seventh in the NFL. The only receivers targeted more than Johnson are Laveranues Coles (144), Chad Johnson (138), Darrell Jackson (134), Joe Horn (129), Derrick Mason (125) and Eric Moulds (125). On average, the Redskins throw to Coles 11 times a game, so you're 15-20 range is way high. Also notice that Terrell Owens, arguably the best receiver in the league, doesn't even rank in the top seven. Sometimes, it’s not about how many opportunities you get, but what you do with them.


I wanted to quote more than this.. but im not a member on www.chron.com.. specifically I wanted more of the player qoutes.. like Wong chastising people for booing Carr when he came on the field.

But anyway.. I just wanted to point out that even the Texans players are saying the same things us "naysayers" are saying. So.. next time you want to call someone a bad fan because they arent happy about some glaring problem (you know who you are).. keep in mind that even the Texans players arent big enough homers to ignore their problems.

that being said, I find Walkers comments really interesting. Him and Sharper both have said things that can be taken in the context of "we have coaching problems"... but no one thinks things will change. Dom and his crew still have the benefit of the doubt.. next season may be a different story.

I also like his comment about us losing Posey and Foley. Posey I dont think we had any control over... but Foley..we should have kept him. He has been called "the best offseason acquisition" by some talking heads. I take Walkers comments about keeping players as a big "RESIGN ANTWAN PEEK" sign.

I would also like to give Carr a big pat on the back for being mature enough to take the boos and not let it sour him. Everyone still loves ya, even the guys booing. The boos were just the product of alot of frustration... anyone who actually blames Carr for sundays debacle, well.. their ignorance makes their opinion worthless.

Carr is a great QB. He has one of the best Arms in the league, pinpoint accuracy.. and a cool head under pressure(yes i said that). He is one of the best rushing QBs in the league.. he is just the total package. he is Micheal Vick with a little less speed and alot more of the necessary quarterback skills. Give the man a line and I garuntee he will become a probowl QB. I will bet money on that. When he has time in the pocket, he makes defenses pay.. every time. Ive heard people say he is gunshy and that just isnt the case. Gunshy QBs will cower.. they will fall down instead of getting sacked.. they will throw inaccurate passes when they are getting pressured.. Carr doesnt do that. The only thing Carr does is run.. which I can understand people getting tired of seeing him run instead of throwing it up and hoping Andre grabs it, but Running is the smarter thing to do and its not like he jumps the gun and runs the second that a rusher breaks the line of scrimmage.. when he has time to throw, he plants himself and plays awesome. When he doesnt have time to throw, he can STILL hurt you. its only when there is a total and constant breakdown in protection that the game gets away from him.. and I hardly blame him for that. get the man a line.


moving on. I love DDs attitude. This guy is a team player and if it is at all possible I would love to see him as our franchise RB. Here is hoping that we can get the zone blocking working right.


and that Andre johnson quote.. im not sure I understand. Does that mean Andre has had 124 balls thrown his way? or that he has been the intended target 124 times, but we have had to dump it off or Carr was sacked or something along those lines? Either way.. keep that in mind next time you want to say we arent trying to utilize our best offensive weapon. we ARE trying to, we just arent being successful.


most all of our problems can be traced back to the Oline. We need to fix this, and honestly I think this offseason we need to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to do so. Get that Oline working, then worry about the defense. Our defense wasnt terrible and it could be even better next year with Robinson, Babin, and Earl having more experience. Plus, with Peek getting play time we do alot better in the pass rush. I say, do whatever it takes to put together an Oline.. trade away the draft.. rework Walker's contract.. whatever it takes. If we had had a strong Oline this year, we would have made the playoffs.. id put money on that too. Fix the Oline.. then work on the defense.. we will NEVER be a complete team if we dont fix it, and soon.
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i'd disagree about the defense, it was terrible..lack of pass rush and sacks hurt us. 3rd down conversation , we gave up too many 3rd and long to keep drives going. About Foley, I figure Walker needs to worry about his game. Where would we have put Foley... according to depth charts...Wong would have been benched for foley or Wong moved inside at Formans spot so foley could have been where he is at OLB with the chargers... I doubt he (Foley) gets the same results with us as he did with the chargers if he stayed... We dont' get the production out of the d-line as the chargers do. Maybe it is Fangio's scheme is what Walker is griping about and if that is the case, he has a point


Carr will be good..(or should)...I get frustrated is that he still locks onto one guy during the game..

I like DD's attitude, but we still need an upgrade.. He is solid but doesn't strike fear in a defense.. Teams let us keep feeding DD the ball in the passing game, because they know our one and only true playmaker is AJ. If LT kept getting the ball in the flat, Defenses would adjust to stop him. Double teams would stop on AJ and open up the field. With our team that doesn't happen. Also S.D. has an actual TE that is that threat (gates), we don't and the one that could be a threat can't block (up to the NFL level) well.

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if DD hadnt been injured and had played all season like he did the last few games.. teams would have been worried about him. better run blocking by the Oline would turn DD into a beast.

I hear what you are saying about Foley, but Ill take Walkers word on this one.. he is in the lockerroom.


As for our defense.. it WASNT THAT BAD. yah we struggled.. mostly early one when we had a bad SS that couldnt do coverage (brown) and a rookie CB still trying to get his feet under him (Robinson)

Once Robinson got comfortable, and we brought in Earl, and Peek started getting more playing time.. we were at least a mid level defense... definatly not deserving of our ranking at the bottom of the league. Heck.. we had the longest streak this year of holding teams without a TD.
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on getting booed) “I’d boo, too. From what we were putting on the field today, I was booing in the huddle. It was embarrassing. As the quarterback of the football team, that might lie on my shoulders, but that’s fine. What I’m more concerned about is fixing things inside the organization. I know I can speak for all the guys on my team that they put out as much effort as any team I’ve been around. We have to fix things in here first. The outside stuff is going to take care of itself. But we didn’t go out and do anything deserving of any praise.”
Well my respect for Carr just increased quite a bit.
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(Steve McKinney On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”


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Billy Miller On David Carr being booed) “It was crazy because one minute they’re booing him and the next minute, he makes a good run, and the crowd went crazy. I say, if you’re going to be a fan, then you have to stick with us. I thought it was very unfair.”
Billy just doesnt get it.


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(Dunta Robinson On having higher expectations for next season) “Next season 8-8 isn’t good enough. We’re not an expansion team anymore; now it’s time to play football and start competing with some of the top teams in the NFL.”


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(Demarcus Faggins On success of season) “In my mind I feel like we got better since the last couple seasons. I feel like we will get better next year.”

(On close games) “There’s a couple of games this season that we should have taken away, but it didn’t happen. Going into the off-season we are going to work hard and we are going to make sure that the teams we are supposed to beat, we are going to beat. There are some great teams next year and we are going to come out and compete and win those games.”
Hope this means he will be resigning with us.
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Carr is a great QB. He has one of the best Arms in the league, pinpoint accuracy.. and a cool head under pressure(yes i said that). He is one of the best rushing QBs in the league.. he is just the total package. he is Micheal Vick with a little less speed and alot more of the necessary quarterback skills. Give the man a line and I garuntee he will become a probowl QB. I will bet money on that. When he has time in the pocket, he makes defenses pay.. every time. Ive heard people say he is gunshy and that just isnt the case. Gunshy QBs will cower.. they will fall down instead of getting sacked.. they will throw inaccurate passes when they are getting pressured.. Carr doesnt do that. The only thing Carr does is run.. which I can understand people getting tired of seeing him run instead of throwing it up and hoping Andre grabs it, but Running is the smarter thing to do and its not like he jumps the gun and runs the second that a rusher breaks the line of scrimmage.. when he has time to throw, he plants himself and plays awesome. When he doesnt have time to throw, he can STILL hurt you. its only when there is a total and constant breakdown in protection that the game gets away from him.. and I hardly blame him for that. get the man a line.
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I read this and I wonder which Carr you are talking about because you aint talking about Houston Texans David Carr. I agree a Oline will help him greatly, but cool head under pressure isnt true, how many times did he dump passes off or run out of bounds. I will give him credit that he doesnt often just lob it like some QB's of the league do, but that is a bad thing sometimes too. Pinpoint accuracy is laughable because he has quite the tendency to throw behind the reciever (look at 75% percent of his throws). Now can this be corrected, yes it can... But right now, his recievers are the ones who have to compensate for it now. He still does not have the 'touch' yet. Can he be better and a Pro Bowler... Oh yes he can. But he aint all that yet.
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(Steve McKinney On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”


Is this guy serious? It may not be unusual for the Texan O line.


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on the booing on out team, first thought is that I was ashamed.. Now that I have time to think about it. Our fans have been more than generous for 3 years and have shown lots of patence with this team. this is a team that after 3 years shouldn't have gotten beat by the browns like they did. Yes the browns are a poor NFL team at this moment, but we shouldn't have gotten manhandled on the offensive side of the ball like we did after all the browns defense isn't the '85 bears or even have a ray lewis on that D.

the problem with the quotes is that I can't see the expressions on their faces or the whole conversation leading to the quotes(yes sometimes quotes are misleading)... BUT with that said... Only one I see taking responsibility with this horrible team effort is Carr.that is a shame. It is the same attitude that we have seen with this team all year. Everybody talks about this needing to be done or that needs to be done, but not one person has stepped up and took things on their shoulders and motivated the players ON the field.. Maybe a Ray lewis mentality(on the field) is what we need. and as much as I dislike T.O. or Keyshawn Johnson... They will speak up DURING a game to fire the team up (if TO could leave out the Rah Rah stuff and off the field blabla)..As we mentioned throughout the season, we seem to go through the motions.

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I dunno what games you have been watching Dime but ive only seen Carr overthrow a few passes. For the most part he puts it right where it needs to be. And when he DOES overthrow, 90% of the time its just barely. If anything.. you could argue that the pinpoint accuracy is laughable because of how many times he has bounced it off a linemans head. That, im hoping is either a shoulder injury problem.. or a sidearm throwing problem that they intend to fix. Either way, it doesnt diminish the fact that he is a great QB who just needs some protection.

And yes he does have a cool head under pressure.. he doesnt panic, he just does what is necessary, which just happens seems to be running out of bounds, or dumping it off alot of the time.. What would you consider a better idea? stepping up into the pocket and getting slaughtered? throwing on the run? :P.. bottom line is he is getting hammered and still manages to keep his cool and not get gunshy. You dont see him get flustered when he gets flushed out of the pocket.. he knows what he is doing.. and he may not have pulled alot of Donovan Mcnabb style throws while running.. but that doesnt mean he isnt cool headed.. just that not everyone can do that :P.
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Antwan Peek seems to be full of fire.. maybe if he wins the starting position we will get our Ray Lewis motivator on the field.
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(Steve McKinney On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”


Is this guy serious? It may not be unusual for the Texan O line.

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If you liked that one, here's two more from McKinney from his morning show:

1. "We're among the top 10 offensive lines in the NFL"

2. "There's one or two guys that play on the Colts OL who couldn't start for us."

No context required. He was on his soapbox and was dead serious.
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David Carr isn't even in Michael Vick's league. That comparison is just way off. Vick sets his team up to win and single-handedly makes plays when things go wrong, he's a playmaker and the focal point of opposing defenses. I think Vick's arm is even a little stronger than Carr's. Carr is a pocket passer more comparable to Aikman than anyone else. Nothing wrong with that. He can be just as successful, only time will tell (next season hopefully). His rushing yards are a result of trying to salvage a busted play or running for dear life. But until Carr leads us to the playoffs or runs for 500+ yards he's no Vick or even similar to Vick.
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If you liked that one, here's two more from McKinney from his morning show:

1. "We're among the top 10 offensive lines in the NFL"

2. "There's one or two guys that play on the Colts OL who couldn't start for us."

No context required. He was on his soapbox and was dead serious.
Isn't there a 7sec delay on the radio? Someone needs to be there to BLEEP some of these Einstein comments. Good lord!!
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I wanted to quote more than this.. but im not a member on www.chron.com.. specifically I wanted more of the player qoutes.. like Wong chastising people for booing Carr when he came on the field.

But anyway.. I just wanted to point out that even the Texans players are saying the same things us "naysayers" are saying. So.. next time you want to call someone a bad fan because they arent happy about some glaring problem (you know who you are).. keep in mind that even the Texans players arent big enough homers to ignore their problems.

that being said, I find Walkers comments really interesting. Him and Sharper both have said things that can be taken in the context of "we have coaching problems"... but no one thinks things will change. Dom and his crew still have the benefit of the doubt.. next season may be a different story.

I also like his comment about us losing Posey and Foley. Posey I dont think we had any control over... but Foley..we should have kept him. He has been called "the best offseason acquisition" by some talking heads. I take Walkers comments about keeping players as a big "RESIGN ANTWAN PEEK" sign.

I would also like to give Carr a big pat on the back for being mature enough to take the boos and not let it sour him. Everyone still loves ya, even the guys booing. The boos were just the product of alot of frustration... anyone who actually blames Carr for sundays debacle, well.. their ignorance makes their opinion worthless.

Carr is a great QB. He has one of the best Arms in the league, pinpoint accuracy.. and a cool head under pressure(yes i said that). He is one of the best rushing QBs in the league.. he is just the total package. he is Micheal Vick with a little less speed and alot more of the necessary quarterback skills. Give the man a line and I garuntee he will become a probowl QB. I will bet money on that. When he has time in the pocket, he makes defenses pay.. every time. Ive heard people say he is gunshy and that just isnt the case. Gunshy QBs will cower.. they will fall down instead of getting sacked.. they will throw inaccurate passes when they are getting pressured.. Carr doesnt do that. The only thing Carr does is run.. which I can understand people getting tired of seeing him run instead of throwing it up and hoping Andre grabs it, but Running is the smarter thing to do and its not like he jumps the gun and runs the second that a rusher breaks the line of scrimmage.. when he has time to throw, he plants himself and plays awesome. When he doesnt have time to throw, he can STILL hurt you. its only when there is a total and constant breakdown in protection that the game gets away from him.. and I hardly blame him for that. get the man a line.


moving on. I love DDs attitude. This guy is a team player and if it is at all possible I would love to see him as our franchise RB. Here is hoping that we can get the zone blocking working right.


and that Andre johnson quote.. im not sure I understand. Does that mean Andre has had 124 balls thrown his way? or that he has been the intended target 124 times, but we have had to dump it off or Carr was sacked or something along those lines? Either way.. keep that in mind next time you want to say we arent trying to utilize our best offensive weapon. we ARE trying to, we just arent being successful.


most all of our problems can be traced back to the Oline. We need to fix this, and honestly I think this offseason we need to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to do so. Get that Oline working, then worry about the defense. Our defense wasnt terrible and it could be even better next year with Robinson, Babin, and Earl having more experience. Plus, with Peek getting play time we do alot better in the pass rush. I say, do whatever it takes to put together an Oline.. trade away the draft.. rework Walker's contract.. whatever it takes. If we had had a strong Oline this year, we would have made the playoffs.. id put money on that too. Fix the Oline.. then work on the defense.. we will NEVER be a complete team if we dont fix it, and soon.
Good post Grid. Not a Rah, Rah one nor a doom and gloom fire everyone and start over type of rant/post. Well thought out and very reasoned. This team has potential and it has problems. How we handle each will determin our destiny and IMO we will do well because the SENIOR management (not Dom) are of a superior quality and won't let us fail. Are we on track....Probably. As much (as little?) as I think of our game planning/philosophy, to change now would be a 2 year setback at least. 05 will be an interesting year and a lot of jobs will be riding on it.
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on the booing on out team, first thought is that I was ashamed.. Now that I have time to think about it. Our fans have been more than generous for 3 years and have shown lots of patence with this team. this is a team that after 3 years shouldn't have gotten beat by the browns like they did. Yes the browns are a poor NFL team at this moment, but we shouldn't have gotten manhandled on the offensive side of the ball like we did after all the browns defense isn't the '85 bears or even have a ray lewis on that D.

the problem with the quotes is that I can't see the expressions on their faces or the whole conversation leading to the quotes(yes sometimes quotes are misleading)... BUT with that said... Only one I see taking responsibility with this horrible team effort is Carr.that is a shame. It is the same attitude that we have seen with this team all year. Everybody talks about this needing to be done or that needs to be done, but not one person has stepped up and took things on their shoulders and motivated the players ON the field.. Maybe a Ray lewis mentality(on the field) is what we need. and as much as I dislike T.O. or Keyshawn Johnson... They will speak up DURING a game to fire the team up (if TO could leave out the Rah Rah stuff and off the field blabla)..As we mentioned throughout the season, we seem to go through the motions.

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Better yet, we need a firey LEADER on the field
The bold type is right. I totally agree!!!! Walker running the pie hole on the boob tube with the "wasn't me, I ain't responsible" mentality is exactly what we DO NOT need. Team players find the problem, take ownership and look for a resolution. I see Carr trying to do that. So far, haven't heard anyone else stepping up.
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Just wanted to say that I totaly agree with your opening monolog.

I will say that Miller has a point. Thanks for the quotes.
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I think Dom Capers has done a fine job in putting together a solid expansion franchise together. However, after year three, there needs to be dynamic changes with the Texans for us to be a great team. Every fan dreams of a Super Bowl and I'm no different. However, the rhetoric that I hear coming from Capers in defense of the offensive philosophy is not one that has Super Bowl aspirations in mind.

Cleveland served as a perfect example of the wayward offensive philosophy. The Browns are a horrible football team, but even on the best of days, the Texan offense will keep a game close. How many weeks have we watched games being decided by 5 points either way? GREAT teams do not become great by eeking out nailbiters week after week. Without a high-powered attacking offense, we are forever going to be mired with 8-8 seasons. The NFL is too even to play the game this way.

With the new rules, passing the football is definitely the route that people need to go. Controlled passing, high percentage passing... much like that Carr did in college. The numbers on Andre Johnson being the 7th most thrown to receiver in the NFL are bogus. It is the ROUTES he is running! Throwing 5 jump balls to Andre is not successful football and it is not the way you try to ge the ball to him. This offense runs 75% of its plays through DD. They have no trouble getting him involved in the game. Yet we go entire games with nothing to #80.

Scrap the I formation. Please. We have no fullback and the fullback as we know it in the NFL is dead and gone. Get out of the dark ages. This also causes more problems from a zone running perspective because it bastar*izes the zone. Those interetested in the x's & o's of this can feel free to contact me.

We need to attack people offensively and defensively if we want to rise up the ladder. We can't just "hang around" in games and "be close" in the fourth quarter. Put some exclamation points on this team!
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I think Steve McKinney has lost his mind...
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Thanks Nevikan, Edo.


Vick: 321 Attempts
181 Completions (56.4%)
2313 Yards (ave 7.21 per attempt)
14 TDs
12 Ints
902 Rushing yards
120 Rushing Attempts(7.5 per attempt)
QB Rating: 78.1

Carr 466 Attempts
285 Completions (61.2%)
3531 yards (7.58 per attempt)
16 TDs
14 Ints
299 Rushing Yards
73 Attempts (4.1 per attempt)
QB Rating: 83.5

2313 + 902 = 3215

3531 + 299 = 3830


SO.. Carr has more yards passing.. more completions.. more TDs.. a higher completion rating.. better QB rating etc..etc..etc..

You wanna know what the BIGGEST difference between Vick and Carr is? the Oline. Vick's Oline actually works. And ya wanna know why they are going to the playoffs? its not cause of Vick.. hes been AVERAGE.. its because they have a dominating and consistent defense.


So anyway. The stats show that im right.. Carr is the better QB.. Vick is the better scrambler.



here are the quotes after the game.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ne...php?PRKey=1483

alot of the other Texan's players were pretty down on themselves too.
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McKinney has lost his mind. He doesn't see what's right in front of his face (and often he doesn't block it either).
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