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Old 12-09-2008   #1
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Default Do we need another Slaton?

My post on another thread just got me to thinking. Many of us have discussed the need for a power back to take load off Slaton as he really does not need 20 + attempts. I still think having a power back to get us a TD in red zone or that 3rd and short is a must. What if we selected a Slaton type back like Ian Johnson 5'11" 199 lbs 4.47 who is projected 5th - 6th round? Kubes insists the team focus is on run. Slaton 15 carries, Johnson the same and a Rashad Jennings 6'1" 232 4.46 (small college) or from Iowa Shonn Green 5'11" 235 4.54 & described as "an absolute beast"? in 3rd or 4th?

Imagine two Slatons getting 30 to 40 carries a game.

1st William Moore FS 6'1" 220 4.45 and can play either safety 7 INTs
2nd round Brandon Graham DE 6'3" 270 4.72 & may be faster at combine
3rd Shonn Green RB (as above) here is our power guy
4th London Fryar CB 5'11" 192 lbs Western Michigan. I don't think FA will help and I would be okay if Smithiak chooses not to get another CB.
5th Ian Johnson as above.
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My post on another thread just got me to thinking. Many of us have discussed the need for a power back to take load off Slaton as he really does not need 20 + attempts. I still think having a power back to get us a TD in red zone or that 3rd and short is a must. What if we selected a Slaton type back like Ian Johnson 5'11" 199 lbs 4.47 who is projected 5th - 6th round? Kubes insists the team focus is on run. Slaton 15 carries, Johnson the same and a Rashad Jennings 6'1" 232 4.46 (small college) or from Iowa Shonn Green 5'11" 235 4.54 & described as "an absolute beast"? in 3rd or 4th?

Imagine two Slatons getting 30 to 40 carries a game.

1st William Moore FS 6'1" 220 4.45 and can play either safety 7 INTs
2nd round Brandon Graham DE 6'3" 270 4.72 & may be faster at combine
3rd Shonn Green RB (as above) here is our power guy
4th London Fryar CB 5'11" 192 lbs Western Michigan. I don't think FA will help and I would be okay if Smithiak chooses not to get another CB.
5th Ian Johnson as above.
The nice thing about having guys with differnet running abilities is that they hurt the defense in different ways. I'd love to be like the Giants, with 3 legitimate starters all receiving 5-15 carries a game

While it would be nice to have 2 more talented runners to go along with what we've got now, I think we have more pressing needs. I doubt you'll find a guy in the 5th or 6th round thats guaranteed to be as good as Steve. He's running like a top 10 pick.
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

I'd entertain the idea AFTER we get a Haynesworth type. That move will make a bigger difference to this team than any other. in my humble opinion of course.

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My post on another thread just got me to thinking. Many of us have discussed the need for a power back to take load off Slaton as he really does not need 20 + attempts. I still think having a power back to get us a TD in red zone or that 3rd and short is a must. What if we selected a Slaton type back like Ian Johnson 5'11" 199 lbs 4.47 who is projected 5th - 6th round? Kubes insists the team focus is on run. Slaton 15 carries, Johnson the same and a Rashad Jennings 6'1" 232 4.46 (small college) or from Iowa Shonn Green 5'11" 235 4.54 & described as "an absolute beast"? in 3rd or 4th?

Imagine two Slatons getting 30 to 40 carries a game.

1st William Moore FS 6'1" 220 4.45 and can play either safety 7 INTs
2nd round Brandon Graham DE 6'3" 270 4.72 & may be faster at combine
3rd Shonn Green RB (as above) here is our power guy
4th London Fryar CB 5'11" 192 lbs Western Michigan. I don't think FA will help and I would be okay if Smithiak chooses not to get another CB.
5th Ian Johnson as above.
I don't see this team going Safety in the first and I would rather see LB or a G for our first pick. IF we go CB will be dependent on what we do with Dunta.Do love us picking up Shonn Green and if there isn't anyone better around in the 5th Ian would give us a stable of backs to work with.
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I don't see this team going Safety in the first and I would rather see LB or a G for our first pick. IF we go CB will be dependent on what we do with Dunta.Do love us picking up Shonn Green and if there isn't anyone better around in the 5th Ian would give us a stable of backs to work with.
I don't think we need a LB with the first as much as I used to. Diles was great, Ryans is dominant, and I've been plenty happy with Abidi so far. Since he joined hte lineup, our team has drastically improved on defense
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

I have actually been thinking about this for a while too. Why not have two like him!? But I kind of came to the conclusion that having a bigger RB would be better for a couple reasons (as opposed to a very similar RB). I think in short yardage situations, a stronger back would be more effective. Also, if for some reason the Defense gameplanned really well and was able to neutrilize Slaton from kicking it out and making the big gains... the same would happen to the new guy and our running game would be rendered useless. Having a power back that fits the system would give us a different option and could keep the running game effective.

I like the idea of having a power back w/ Slaton and then a 3rd string that's like Slaton. Slaton could start and wear them out then the bruiser could run right over them b/c they're tired. Sometimes a bruiser may get more looks early and tire them out that way, and the Slaton's fresh legs could run right by them. Just some thoughts.

Having all Slatons may be like putting all your eggs in one basket. Like with WR's you want a homerun deep threat and then also a good posession wideout.
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

Does anyone really believe that Kubiak is going to be the kind of coach that will consistently run the ball 30-40 times a game? Yes we need a compliment to Steve but as long as we have success through the air we are going to be a balanced team offensively. I certainly could see a game here or there where we are milking a lead but until we get a nice defense I think getting another RB to compliment Slaton is on the list of things to do just not as high as some might think.
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Umm no..
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

Don't need another Slaton, need a big brusing pounding back to compliment Slaton.
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

Walker and Dorsett didn't leave up to the hype.

So, no. I think we'll be better off with a bruiser back.
Especially when we start getting better and better, it would be nice to spring out to a lead, and then have that guy who can pound it for 4 yd per down.

We may see 30 plus carries then.

Oh yeah, the Broncos had two years running when they were winning with Elway and they had more running plays then passing. They actually had 3 consecutive winning years (96-98) with a very balance attack.

They won the SB the last two years, riding the running game all the way through with Terrell Davis. (They ran even more during the play-offs.)

But by using him too much to carry the load (he was about 206 lbs), they only got 4 productive years out of that horse.
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Default Re: Do we need another Slaton?

I have similar worries about Demeco as I do Slaton when it comes to wear and tear.

EDIT: please disregard, don't want to derail this thread!
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Doesnt 1 cut/zone blocking lend itself to smaller quicker backs? Could be wrong....
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Doesnt 1 cut/zone blocking lend itself to smaller quicker backs? Could be wrong....
Lends itself to backs with good patience, vision, and burst through their cut. Got to get through that hole quickly. Typically, smaller backs are faster/quicker. Just gotta find the right RB regardless of size. All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares sort of thing.
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Doesnt 1 cut/zone blocking lend itself to smaller quicker backs? Could be wrong....
Not necessarily!
The Broncos had their years of using one or two big backs.
The Packers (also ZBS) this yr have a couple of big backs (Grant and Jackson.)
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Very true...thanks fellas.

How many other teams use ZBS?
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I have actually been thinking about this for a while too. Why not have two like him!? But I kind of came to the conclusion that having a bigger RB would be better for a couple reasons (as opposed to a very similar RB). I think in short yardage situations, a stronger back would be more effective. Also, if for some reason the Defense gameplanned really well and was able to neutrilize Slaton from kicking it out and making the big gains... the same would happen to the new guy and our running game would be rendered useless. Having a power back that fits the system would give us a different option and could keep the running game effective.

I like the idea of having a power back w/ Slaton and then a 3rd string that's like Slaton. Slaton could start and wear them out then the bruiser could run right over them b/c they're tired. Sometimes a bruiser may get more looks early and tire them out that way, and the Slaton's fresh legs could run right by them. Just some thoughts.

Having all Slatons may be like putting all your eggs in one basket. Like with WR's you want a homerun deep threat and then also a good posession wideout.
I would like to see a bigger back that is still versatile enough to keep oppossing D's from narrowing down the play selection by the O personnel we have in, as happened with Mark Bruener and Billy Miller at TE.
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Does anyone really believe that Kubiak is going to be the kind of coach that will consistently run the ball 30-40 times a game? Yes we need a compliment to Steve but as long as we have success through the air we are going to be a balanced team offensively. I certainly could see a game here or there where we are milking a lead but until we get a nice defense I think getting another RB to compliment Slaton is on the list of things to do just not as high as some might think.
perhaps...

We ran the ball 31 times against the Pack on Sunday. Okay, Turk's little panic scamper doesn't count. But that's still 30 carries. If we had a second RB that wouldn't tip our hand - i.e., when he comes in everyone KNOWS we're about to run - I could see 30-35 carries/game. Especially if we're eating clock to play keep away to high-powered offenses and preserve a lead.
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I would like to see us take Goodson in the 5th rd.

I believe he will be available.
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Very true...thanks fellas.

How many other teams use ZBS?
Minnesotta and Rich Rodriguez' West Virginia are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
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With all the INT we have been having i dont think Kubes likes to go to the air even tho thats one of our strong points so he has no choice to throw it
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