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Old 01-07-2005   #61
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Pitts was our second second round selection, we passed on Portis twice. Every team could have had Portis. Last time I checked all 31 other teams passed on him including his college coach.
And given Portis' performance this year, we can see he would not have been the majic poultice some people think he would have been for the Texans--especially without Pitts, one of their better run blockers. Portis is a better back than DD but he can't carry a team with a poor OL.
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Old 01-07-2005   #62
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You seem to love to place the blame at somebody's doorstep, but line play is truly a team game that has everything to do with cohesion and is impossible to judge on an individual basis.
I will say that it is hard to judge line play for some of the reasons you state, plus most people don't know how to grade it and just generalize and reach for someone to point a finger at out of frustration, but you absolutely can assess some culpability on individual plays. To say otherwise is going to the other extreme and is not accurate.
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Remember what McNair said? No big changes will be made on the OL but Carr will be protected.
I haven't seen that. McNair isn't the type to micromanage what type of changes will/won't occur on the O-line. Do you have a link to that quote?
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He is mixing up McNair saying Carr will be protected and Casserly saying don't expect any high dollar FA signings.
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I will say that it is hard to judge line play for some of the reasons you state, plus most people don't know how to grade it and just generalize and reach for someone to point a finger at out of frustration, but you absolutely can assess some culpability on individual plays. To say otherwise is going to the other extreme and is not accurate.
Oh, sure, you can see a guy miss a block or a tackle clearly every once in awhile. But you sure can't judge somebody based on those situations alone. Those situations are a small percentage to their overall job performance during the season.
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This may sound ridiculous to you but when you watch players perform you can actually tell who has skill, uses technique and has burst and explosion. You seem to want to argue your points down to absurd levels.
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This may sound ridiculous to you but when you watch players perform you can actually tell who has skill, uses technique and has burst and explosion. You seem to want to argue your points down to absurd levels.
Until you are wearing coaching credentials and standing on the sideline or sitting in the coaches' box, please refrain from telling me how a linemen performed without knowing what his assignment or task is on each play. To do so is, well, absurd.
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huh?


passing play and its not a screen...i wonder what the offensive lines' responsibility is?

defensive line and theres no stunt called (wich should be pretty obvious to even occasional fans ) on a passing play....i wonder what their supposed to do.....




theres more....a lot more...
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When OL get outworked it is obvious. Maybe not to the common fan, but to the coaches and GM, it is. That is why its their job to go and fix the problems. Not ours, but any educated fan should have the knowledge to know that if one OL is getting blown past, almost every other 3rd or 4th snap, then obviously that player is not performing well enough. and that is where an individual has to take the blame.
coaches have a sense of who the OL should be blocking but when the Offense audibles because of a blitz, and a linemen doesnt pick up either the DL or a LB, then it is the individuals performance. Because then what, do you expect another linemen to come over and assist the incapable one, NO! because then you are leaving a DL or linebacker unblocked (which would be very smart )
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Quote - "Andre Johnson is possibly the best reciever in the game outside of Randy Moss / T.O but if there is no one on the opposite side of the field to take some heat away from him he will be double covered every play ."


How can you say that? To me right now, he is barely in the top 10. Yea hes got alot of potential to be a top 5 wideout, but best in the game right now? I don't see how you can say that. I'm still seeing him drop balls, and he still needs to work on his route running. Some of Carr's sacks were due to nobody getting open. You can say hes double covered, but look at TO, look at Moss, look at Harrison before Wayne emerged, look at Joe Horn, Muhammad, Jimmy Smith, Chad Johnson (without Warrick this year). But you are right though, we need another WR to take pressure off of Andre.

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He can say that because it is probably true. AJ is an enourmous talent and really, he rarely dropped passes and made every defense he faced alter their coverages for him. He is one of the top 5-6 WR's in football today.
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Eh I still don't think so. He goes away.. and then comes. He's not consistently comin up with plays like the big ones. I've seen him in alot of games this year just do nothing, even when Carr had protection, diden't get open.
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You don't watch many games then. AJ runs great routes and touched the ball 79 times in the passing game for 1150 yards with a horrible offensive line and an inconsistant QB. That is some pretty solid stuff if you ask me.
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I watch him, not the oline, not the qb, I watch him. He doesen't get seperation alot of times, hes still inconsistent. Look at his sub par games...

4 for 58 vs SD
4 for 66 vs Tenn
3 for 28 vs Denver
6 for 59 vs Indi
4 for 31 vs Tenn(2nd)
3 for 34 vs Indi(2nd)
2 for 21 vs Chicago
2 for 13 vs Browns


Denver's pass defense hasn't been great or good. Indiapolis pass defense is horrible, Tennesee's whole defense has sucked, and Browns?? Your gonna tell me Browns dline was so good they had no protection for Carr to find Johnson for more than 13 yards? Johnson is good, really good, top 10 for sure. But top 5 right now? I still dont think so.. not yet.
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He is right. Outside of TO and Moss, there is no receiver in the league with as much physical ability as our own Andre Johnson.
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Physical ability yes.
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I watch him, not the oline, not the qb, I watch him. He doesen't get seperation alot of times, hes still inconsistent. Look at his sub par games...

4 for 58 vs SD
4 for 66 vs Tenn
3 for 28 vs Denver
6 for 59 vs Indi
4 for 31 vs Tenn(2nd)
3 for 34 vs Indi(2nd)
2 for 21 vs Chicago
2 for 13 vs Browns


Denver's pass defense hasn't been great or good. Indiapolis pass defense is horrible, Tennesee's whole defense has sucked, and Browns?? Your gonna tell me Browns dline was so good they had no protection for Carr to find Johnson for more than 13 yards? Johnson is good, really good, top 10 for sure. But top 5 right now? I still dont think so.. not yet.
That stat line does nothing for me. I too watched those games. If you bothered to watch the games you would have noticed that those teams rolled the coverage to aj. He was pressed at the line and had linebackers pick him up in the mid level and a safety over the top. I guess he made the Pro Bowl on past reputation since he performed so poorly in those 8 games you referenced.
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The fact is that until we get another receiver that teams respect, honestly i dont see Gaffney or Bradford striking fear in opponents hearts, then AJ will continue to get doubled or tripled, that is possible because teams are usually are leaving linebackers in coverage, because our OL cant block teams front 4... I think if Mike Williams is available at #13, then we take him... leave getting OL and DL for free agency
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So it stood out to you the times he was pressed by a LB. Did you see the many times he was blanketed by one corner? Or with a safety over top, completely taken him out of the play on several occasions. I just dont think you can put him in the top 5 receivers right now..
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So it stood out to you the times he was pressed by a LB. Did you see the many times he was blanketed by one corner? Or with a safety over top, completely taken him out of the play on several occasions. I just dont think you can put him in the top 5 receivers right now..
Your position was that he wasn't a top-10 guy just a couple of posts ago. Your posture on this has changed to the the point where I wouldn't argue it if you think he is just outside the top-5 guys.

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