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Old 12-07-2008   #21
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Isn't there a Madden '09 Forum or a fantasy football forum that these huckleberries could be at?... Oh yeah, try houstontexans.com!
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I'd keep Barber and cut Myers.

And no, I don't cut either QB. That's just silly.
You guys are just going to have to get use to this.....some guys are there for the locker room. You should of figgured that our when they released Maddox and kept Jeff Zngonia. Faggins isn't going anywhere and niether is Breuner unless Bruener decides to retire....not forced out mind you, but retires.

Myers is exactly what they want, and mind you now no one has banged for a young front line center over the last three years harder than I have, between the twenties. And when Kubiak locks in on guys, veteran guys, they ain't going anywhere.

Take the offensive production, gotta take the rest of the package also. One captian. Gary Kubiak. and Gary Kuibak doesn't screw over loyal veterans.... at least he hasn't yet. I would of cut Green in September....and Criss Taylor out of camp. They are still both on the roster last time I checked.
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You're cutting a lot of good players and a lot of young players that might develop into good players. At least let them come to training camp and prove they don't deserve a spot on the team before getting rid of them.
Yeah you cultivate two young DL guys and after you'ver pampered them and paid them for two years...just when they start producing....you're going to turn them loose to Jeff Fischer and Jack del Rio for a hunder buck waiver wire tag ? Ah no.

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Travis has had a knee two years running, and they currently can't stop a fourth and short. They're one for twelve in third and short on the goal line. You just cut the bigest guy we have....wow. Just wow. Go back to the Madden.
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Maybe he's an LS looking for work. How many of those gauld dern LSers do ya realy need there ?
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You guys are just going to have to get use to this.....some guys are there for the locker room. You should of figgured that our when they released Maddox and kept Jeff Zngonia. Faggins isn't going anywhere and niether is Breuner unless Bruener decides to retire....not forced out mind you, but retires.
I'd hate to think what the Texans record would be without such a great locker room.
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You're cutting a lot of good players and a lot of young players that might develop into good players. At least let them come to training camp and prove they don't deserve a spot on the team before getting rid of them.
Concur.
How about this radical idea.
Let's see who we draft and who is available on the F/A mkt before we start wholesale slicing and dicing.
Now if this is only a PREDICTION, I have no problem with it. In fact, I agree with some of the folks you have hitting the road. But if this is what you'd DO if you were GM-for-a-Day, before camp, before F/A "season", before the draft...
I dunno....
No QBs...
Only a couple of safeties (you do know we seem to lose 2-3 every year, right)....
thinning out what depth we have in both front lines...
Cutting guys that McSmithiak point to as shining examples of how to be a "Pro" in this league...
No hint as to who you'd bring in for replacements...

Charley, is that you?
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Concur.
How about this radical idea.
Let's see who we draft and who is available on the F/A mkt before we start wholesale slicing and dicing.
Now if this is only a PREDICTION, I have no problem with it. In fact, I agree with some of the folks you have hitting the road. But if this is what you'd DO if you were GM-for-a-Day, before camp, before F/A "season", before the draft...
I dunno....
No QBs...
Only a couple of safeties (you do know we seem to lose 2-3 every year, right)....
thinning out what depth we have in both front lines...
Cutting guys that McSmithiak point to as shining examples of how to be a "Pro" in this league...
No hint as to who you'd bring in for replacements...

Charley, is that you?
Its just a prediction.
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I smell epic fail from the OP's post. no epic fail would be a major understatement. Super duper epic fail X infinity suits it more.
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Maybe he's an LS looking for work. How many of those gauld dern LSers do ya realy need there ?
I would keep Harris & cut Pittman. A good blocking TE (Which is what he was in college, Rutgers I believe). Could be Breuners replacement when he retires.

Schaub isn't getting cut nor should he.
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Your welcome.

Now turn around and look behind you.
I looked and saw nothing.

Oh wait Bulman got a sack his 4th of the year and you want to cut him. Nice job!
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One thing this post does is make me appreciate Nick Ferguson. Brandon Harrison has not impressed this season, we really do need a good young safety in the worst way.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Weaver and TJ on the roster next year, as long as they weren't eating up significant cap space, like they are now, and were used as backups in the rotation.
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Let me address the QB cuts first.

Here is my take on Schaub. He is fragile. Any way you slice it. Last year he was only sacked 18 times and lost half the season. This year he has been sacked some where around 18 and has lost a month plus his stomach virus and I think he was hurt again at some point before that. He just can't stay healthy. Not to mention he is in competition with Sage for the human INT. Schaub is a decent QB. Not a good one, just a decent one. He really does not rise up and comand a game. He manages. Which normaly I would be OK with but the health issues concern me.
Sage, well, is Sage. He got scared after the Indy game and the gunslinger inside died. He used to go out and throw an INT and then come back and make a play. Now its just INT's with no plays. He is also a QB that has not risen above and taken control. This was his one shot at being our starter and failed. Kube has him as a manager and that is not him. Sage no longer has a place on this team.

Also keep in mind who the FA QB's are going to be. Warner (I think he stays put in Arizona) Garcia is a WC guy, and Cassell. Interesting thing about Cassell is what happens if they do keep him and trade Brady? Ask Bledsoe if you dont think the Patriots would do something like that. Or ask Joe Montana if teams dump there franchise QB's for well performing back ups. I would still pick up a guy like Garcia and groom a guy from the draft. Garcia is an up grade over what we got now. He is a proven winner and has been in big games.

Bulman is going to be a victom of numbers. As it stands Cochran has out played Weaver making him the would be starter on the other side of Mario if not for the injury. Going into the draft we will use a high round pick on a DE. This will make Cochran the #3 DE. If I were the Texans I would also use a low round pick on another DE and possibly pick one up in FA. I just don't think Bulman has shown me enough to keep him around for yet another year.

Okam just does not have a motor and has been IA most of the season Unlike Molden who at least gets to play on Special Teams. I dont see it. There are going to be plenty of big boys in FA and the draft that can take Okams bench riding selfs spot on the team.

As far as our Safeties go, we are in big big trouble. I think, and may be wrong, but both Fergason and Wilson only signed one year deals. Demps keeps getting put on the IA list (take the hint), Harrison is Mr. Invisible. The only one that I cut which I had to really think about is Barber. Good special teams player but he reminds me more of CC Brown than Atwater. Barber may make the list but look for the Texans to use a high round, possibly a first, on a Safety.

Keep in mind that next year we are drafting 7 new Texans and picking up a slew of FA's, be it big signings or small signings. NFL stands for Not For Long for a reason.

Care to restate your opinion now? I just love it - on the road, 6 friggin degrees, a minute thirty left, 4 weeks from a torn knee ligament, and someone rises up and commands the team. I'm not delusionsal, and don't think Schaub is Peyton Manning. Look at Matt's passer rating - he's better than most starters in the league this season; as a matter of fact, he's # 6 in the NFL and ahead of both Mannings so far this season.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Weaver and TJ on the roster next year, as long as they weren't eating up significant cap space, like they are now, and were used as backups in the rotation.
Its time for Weaver to go. We need a young speedy pass rushing DE opposite Mario. Weaver is a good team player but good thing I'm not the coach. Travis Johnson stays....he plays with attitude and tenacity. Jury is out on Reeves. Reeves might need need surgery to learn how to keep that head on a swivel. lol
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Season is on its way out and we have seen pretty much all our current players are going to give us. So based on performance, who would you keep or cut?

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52 Adibi, Xavier * LB 6-2 224 Virginia Tech 1st Keep
89 Anderson, David WR 5-10 194 Colorado State 3rd Keep
34 Barber, Dominique * S 6-0 218 Minnesota 1st cut
32 Bennett, Fred CB 6-0 197 South Carolina 2nd Keep
57 Bentley, Kevin LB 6-0 238 Northwestern 7th Keep
65 Brisiel, Mike G 6-5 300 Colorado State 2nd Keep
76 Brown, Duane * T 6-4 318 Virginia Tech 1st Keep
3 Brown, Kris K 5-11 206 Nebraska 10th Cut....J/K. Keep
87 Bruener, Mark TE 6-4 260 Washington 14th Cut. Take the IA list as a hint.
93 Bulman, Tim DE 6-4 292 Boston College 4th Cut. Pass rushing specialist should, I don't know, get sacks or something.
78 Butler, Rashad T 6-4 293 Miami (Fla.) 3rd Cut
53 Coley, Kevis LB 6-1 228 Southern Mississippi 2nd Who? Cut.
81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 247 Wisconsin 3rd Keep
11 Davis, André WR 6-1 195 Virginia Tech 7th Keep
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 7th Cut
85 Dreessen, Joel TE 6-4 260 Colorado State 3rd Keep
38 Faggins, DeMarcus CB 5-10 178 Kansas State 7th Please cut?
25 Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 9th Keep, good SP player
56 Greenwood, Morlon LB 6-0 253 Syracuse 8th Cut, cut, cut, cut, and twice on sunday.
82 Harris, Clark TE/LS 6-5 256 Rutgers Again, Who? Cut
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 2nd Cut
80 Johnson, Andre WR 6-3 223 Miami (FL) 6th Keep
99 Johnson, Travis NT 6-3 303 Florida State 4th Cut
12 Jones, Jacoby WR 6-2 207 Lane College 2nd Keep
44 Leach, Vonta FB 6-0 253 East Carolina 5th Keep
21 Moats, Ryan RB 5-8 210 Louisiana Tech 3rd Cut
28 Molden, Antwaun * CB 6-1 197 Eastern Kentucky 1st Keep
55 Myers, Chris C 6-4 293 Miami (Fla.) 4th Keep
72 Nading, Jesse * DE 6-5 258 Colorado State 1st Cut
16 Nall, Craig QB 6-3 230 Northwestern State 6th Cut
97 Okam, Frank * DT 6-5 342 Texas 1st Cut. You cant beat out Travis Johnson and the guy who was Jesus' playmate in day care? Really? How bad are you?
91 Okoye, Amobi DT 6-2 302 Louisville 2nd Keep only cus I have to.
69 Pitts, Chester G/T 6-4 310 San Diego State 7th Keep
35 Reeves, Jacques CB 5-11 192 Purdue 5th Keep
27 Richardson, Matterral CB 6-0 197 Arkansas 1st Who? Cut
66 Robinson, DelJuan DT 6-3 296 Mississippi State 2nd Keep
23 Robinson, Dunta CB 5-10 184 South Carolina 5th Tag'em. Keep
18 Rosenfels, Sage QB 6-4 224 Iowa State 8th Cut
59 Ryans, DeMeco LB 6-1 250 Alabama 3rd Keep
74 Salaam, Ephraim T 6-7 302 San Diego State 11th Keep
37 Sapp, Cecil FB 5-11 236 Colorado State 6th Cut
8 Schaub, Matt QB 6-5 234 Virginia 5th Cut. Is this not his option year? You need to be on the field to help your team win games
20 Slaton, Steve * RB 5-9 201 West Virginia 1st Keep
64 Studdard, Kasey G 6-2 303 Texas 2nd Cut. King of the inactive list.
51 Thompson, Chaun LB 6-2 255 West Texas A&M 6th Cut.
1 Turk, Matt P 6-5 242 Wis.-Whitewater 13th Keep
83 Walter, Kevin WR 6-3 214 Eastern Michigan 6th Keep
98 Weaver, Anthony DE 6-3 280 Notre Dame 7th Cut
63 White, Chris C 6-2 285 Southern Miss. 4th I thought he was gone? Cut
90 Williams, Mario DE 6-7 291 N.C. State 3rd Keep
26 Wilson, Eugene CB 5-10 195 Illinois 6th Keep
73 Winston, Eric T 6-7 310 Miami (FL) 3rd Keep
92 Zgonina, Jeff DT 6-2 290 Purdue Cut

So I would cut somewhere around 24 guys. I think I pretty much killed the P/S guys. Yes I did cut both QB's. Sage is worthless and Schaub is bruised fruit. I would sign a guy like Garcia and draft a guy to sit behind him.

All the other major holes can be filled through FA and draft.
Good idea, just cut half the team. Why not mail this into McNair/Smith/Kubiak? I'm sure they need a goo laugh..lmao. You probably would not get ridiculed to much if you hadn't cut Matt Schaub. Lemme guess...you are a disgruntled David Carr guy.lol Just kidding man your opinion is as good as any. I don't agree with most of your post but it was pretty entertaining.
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Schaub won't (and shouldn't) be cut. Next year is his third season, the option to keep or cut can't be exercised until after next season.

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Schaub, 25, will earn roughly $20 million in the first three years of the contract.

After the first three years, the Texans must pay Schaub a $10 million option bonus in March 2010 to trigger the final three seasons of the contract, or he becomes a free agent.
Linkage: Schaub's new deal with Texans finalizes trade
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