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Old 01-05-2005   #61
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With Hovan, you are paying for a name and not a player. He is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. The last thing this team needs is another overpaid defensive lineman.
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And who are you to question if someone else has a clue? You think Chris Hovan would make a great NT. lmao
Great???? Who said he'd be a Great NT? Try again. I said if he was cheap he we should look at him. LMAO. So to answer you question, he could be a good addition if he has his head back in the game and comes a rather cheap price. Simple really.
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Just the idea of Hovan playing NT for us is laughable.
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So would Jerry Deloach and an a Seth Payne that couldn't recover from his injuries. Way to go smart a**
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Seth Payne has recovered from his knee injury. If anything, his knee will be even better next year since most players take two years to completely heal from an ACL.

As was mentioned earlier, his current injury is the same one that Gary Walker had before his Pro Bowl season in the Texans first year. Walker was able to recover from that injury well enough to have a great year no one in their right mind should doubt Payne's commitment to rehab.

Those who say that Payne has been injured his entire stint with the Texans are full of garbage. Payne was healthy his first year with the Texans. He had a major knee injury early in his second year. His third year he recovered as well as can be expected and by the end of the season he was back to being a very effective nose tackle. Seth Payne is not a major risk.

I would not hesitate to re-sign Payne. I would also draft Payne's eventual replacement using one of the four first day picks the Texans have. During the 2005 season the rookie would rotate with Payne to insure that we always have a fresh NT in the game while getting some on-the-job-training. AFter a year or two of rotating, the new NT should be ready to take over.
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I'll take that gameplan. Do you let Deloach go then? What if Payne doesn't recover?
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So would Jerry Deloach and an a Seth Payne that couldn't recover from his injuries. Way to go smart a**


I never said I wanted Jerry Deloach or Seth Payne to start at NT for us next season. I have been wanting to find a replacement for Payne since last years' draft. I was hoping Gabe Watson would enter the draft this year, but since he is not, Ngata is the guy I hope the Texans target with their second round pick. By the way, no need to remind me that I'm a smart ***. I've known that for awhile.

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So you would start a rookie over a healthy Payne? Classic.
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Yes, I would. Payne is average at this point in his career IMO.
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I'll take that gameplan. Do you let Deloach go then? What if Payne doesn't recover?
Actually, I would probably keep Deloach as a versatile backup. Cory Sears and Junior Ioane are both (as well as Deloach) free agents, so I would make a decision between the two of them. Ioane is younger (27 versus 31) so he would be more likely to return, although drafting a second defensive lineman or getting another veteran backup through free agency isn't out of the question.
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If the surgery goes well, the Texans won't hesitate to sign Payne either. Payne's injury may actually be a 'blessing' in disguise (if he fully recovers of course). It may scare other teams away and keep his price down a bit.
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Oh they will be very scared to touch that one. But don't count your blessings so soon, he still has to recover from this so there is no guarantees. It would be very much in the favor of the Texans if he recovers well and is not sought out by other teams. I had a feeling he would have signed with us regardless before the injury no matter how much more another team offered. We still need a contigency plan.
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A Viking season ticket holder's take on Hovan:

"Hovan is an unrestricted free agent... and I would say it is about 95% certain he will not resign with the Vikings (he has already put his home up for sale). Over the past couple years he has struggled considerably, to the point of being almost non-existent. His excuse for that was he was constantly doubled teamed - well game tapes have disproven this to a large degree. If I understand correctly, a nose in the 3-4 typically the a big stout run stuffing guy?? That is not Hovan. He is probably best suited for the 4-3. Coming out of college he was considered a poor-man's Johnny Randle. If only he could have lived up to that. It's a cliche, but he is one of those who needs a change of scenery, and he may become servicable once again."
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A Viking season ticket holder's take on Hovan:

"Hovan is an unrestricted free agent... and I would say it is about 95% certain he will not resign with the Vikings (he has already put his home up for sale). Over the past couple years he has struggled considerably, to the point of being almost non-existent. His excuse for that was he was constantly doubled teamed - well game tapes have disproven this to a large degree. If I understand correctly, a nose in the 3-4 typically the a big stout run stuffing guy?? That is not Hovan. He is probably best suited for the 4-3. Coming out of college he was considered a poor-man's Johnny Randle. If only he could have lived up to that. It's a cliche, but he is one of those who needs a change of scenery, and he may become servicable once again."



Thank you. This is why I would never want to see Hovan playing NT for us. It would be a waste of cap space.
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A Viking season ticket holder's take on Hovan:

" It's a cliche, but he is one of those who needs a change of scenery, and he may become servicable once again."
That's all I'm saying, he could be servicable again. It's just not going to happen in Minnesota. Anyone can go to a website and look for fodder to support their argument.

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When Hovan was in the game- he looked pretty good...


I saw a few QB's hurries and tackles.
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He definitely looked better than he did before he was benched. Unfortunately, I don't think there is time enough in the season for him to make enough impact to justify keeping him. Hope I am wrong, though!

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If he comes cheap enough I would take a stab at him. I'd give him a chance considering the lot of FA DT's available that can play the NT and lack of NT depth in the rookie pool. If N'gata doesn't declare then that lessens it even more. Pat Williams is our best prospect to fill the NT but he will undoubtedly be too hight a price. So what are we left with?

Lets take a good look at him vs. Packers if he comes in.

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How about this for a spin on what Ses is saying: IF Hovan's stock has dropped to rock bottom and he can be signed very cheaply then he certainly would be as good as Ioane/Sears as backups and has an upside neither has ever displayed. Heck put him in on obvious passing downs at DE. Odds are at least 50/50 a change of scenery will help him.
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What makes you think he will come cheap? He has always been one of the better known DTs even if he is overrated. There will be a team out there willing to overpay for him just because of the hype he brings.
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Now you have to admit he is probably better than Sears and Ioane. The Vikings used a 3-4 scheme a few times this year here a quote of a fan from one of the message boards. In this instance he was used as and end in the 3-4, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with the scheme:
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You just knew that after today's game I would have to post about Chris Hovan. He played a very good game today. Was it just me or was he rotating all over the line? Were the coaches looking for positive matchups for him to give him a better chance to make plays?

In any case, I don't think he has turned the corner or anything, but you have to admit he showed some of the reasons the Vikings picked him in the first place today. If he keeps making positive strides, we will hopefully still have him as a solid member of the DL next season.

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I think it was brillant the way Cedric used Chris as an outside end in their 3-4 package today, which they ran more than in the past 5 games.

Great job and hustle from the Bulldog today! Keep it up! Wink
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I would rather the Texans sign Marques Douglas from the Ravens to play RDE and move Robaire Smith to NT.
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Anyone can go to a website and look for fodder to support their argument.
And you proved just that.

But not everyone has a family member who lives in Minneapolis that has seen every game Hovan has played. That's the season ticket holder who sent me the information I posted. He is a trusted source to me as opposed to random message board ramblings.

I'm of the opinion that Hovan would be a bit out of his element at NT for the Texans.

I'm hoping Payne comes back healthy and either Sears or DeLoach and Ioane is re-signed for a year as depth. I could see them drafting two DLs to groom. They already have beaucoup $$$ tied up in the DL and they probably aren't going to spend a whole lot on a FA to fill in there.

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Great???? Who said he'd be a Great NT? Try again. I said if he was cheap he we should look at him. LMAO.
Actually what you said is that you felt he (Hovan) would be an "excellent" NT.

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