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Old 01-03-2005   #1
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Here are David's numbers for his first three years compared to other QB's, not too shabby.


David Carr '02-'04

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| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2002 hou | 16 | 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 15 | 59 282 3 |
| 2003 hou | 12 | 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13 | 27 151 2 |
| 2004 hou | 16 | 286 467 61.2 3539 7.6 16 14 | 72 303 0 |

John Elway '83-'85

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| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1983 den | 11 | 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 | 28 146 1 |
| 1984 den | 15 | 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 | 56 237 1 |
| 1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 | 51 253 0 |

Terry Bradshaw '70-'72

| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
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| 1970 pit | 13 | 83 218 38.1 1410 6.5 6 24 | 32 233 1 |
| 1971 pit | 14 | 203 373 54.4 2259 6.1 13 22 | 53 247 5 |
| 1972 pit | 14 | 147 308 47.7 1887 6.1 12 12 | 58 346 7 |

Randall Cunningham '85-'87

| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
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| 1985 phi | 6 | 34 81 42.0 548 6.8 1 8 | 29 205 0 |
| 1986 phi | 15 | 111 209 53.1 1391 6.7 8 7 | 66 540 5 |
| 1987 phi | 12 | 223 406 54.9 2786 6.9 23 12 | 76 505 3 |

Troy Aikman '89-'91

| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1989 dal | 11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18 | 38 302 0 |
| 1990 dal | 15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18 | 40 172 1 |
| 1991 dal | 12 | 237 363 65.3 2754 7.6 11 10 | 16 5 1 |

Steve McNair '95-'97

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| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1995 hou | 6 | 41 80 51.2 569 7.1 3 1 | 11 38 0 |
| 1996 hou | 10 | 88 143 61.5 1197 8.4 6 4 | 31 169 2 |
| 1997 ten | 16 | 216 415 52.0 2665 6.4 14 13 | 101 674 8 |

Warren Moon '84-'86

| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1984 hou | 16 | 259 450 57.6 3338 7.4 12 14 | 58 211 1 |
| 1985 hou | 14 | 200 377 53.1 2709 7.2 15 19 | 39 130 0 |
| 1986 hou | 15 | 256 488 52.5 3489 7.1 13 26 | 42 157 2 |

Joe Namath '65-'67

| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1965 nyj | 13 | 164 340 48.2 2220 6.5 18 15 | 8 19 0 |
| 1966 nyj | 14 | 232 471 49.3 3379 7.2 19 27 | 6 42 2 |
| 1967 nyj | 14 | 258 491 52.5 4007 8.2 26 28 | 6 14 0 |

Phil Simms '79-'81

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| Passing | Rushing |
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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1979 nyg | 12 | 134 265 50.6 1743 6.6 13 14 | 29 166 1 |
| 1980 nyg | 13 | 193 402 48.0 2321 5.8 15 19 | 36 190 1 |
| 1981 nyg | 10 | 172 316 54.4 2031 6.4 11 9 | 19 42 0 |

Fran Tarkenton '61-'63

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1961 min | 14 | 157 280 56.1 1997 7.1 18 17 | 56 308 5 |
| 1962 min | 14 | 163 329 49.5 2595 7.9 22 25 | 41 361 2 |
| 1963 min | 14 | 170 297 57.2 2311 7.8 15 15 | 28 162 1 |

Steve Young '85-'87

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1985 tam | 5 | 72 138 52.2 935 6.8 3 8 | 40 233 1 |
| 1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8 13 | 74 425 5 |
| 1987 sfo | 8 | 37 69 53.6 570 8.3 10 0 | 26 190 1 |
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I haven't seen anyone state that they hate Carr. He's a decent guy and a decent QB, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized.

All of you guys with the man-crush need to get over it.
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man, i used to have respect for you honger, you've blown it all with your blowups the last two weeks
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It's not a man crush, I just can't stand it when people think we should be in the Super Bowl already and we should be sending half of our starters to Hawaii. David Carr is in his 3rd year, young players take time to develop and there are some here calling for his head. When you start an expansion team that is built mostly around your drafted players, it is going to take some time to develop a strong winning team, it's not an overnight thing. Anyways back to my point, Carr will be fine next year, you can't just take your first pick in history who is making millions, who has been learning the offense, learning our system, playing behind one of the worst pass blocking units, running for his life, and burn him at the stake just because the team went 7-9 in their 3rd year and lost their last game to the Browns.

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He's a decent guy and a decent QB, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized.
At least give him a chance to play behind an at least average O line before you criticize him. You cannot expect him to play behind this O line and expect him to put up Manning like numbers. I mean he is 12th in the NFL in passer rating even behind this O line.
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man, i used to have respect for you honger, you've blown it all with your blowups the last two weeks
Agreed.

I'd like to see Peyton Manning with our o-line.
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TexansFan88, you hurt my heart.
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Nice breakdown Texan279, that had to take some work.
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Thanks, I did it because I am tired of all of the hate directed at Carr. The man has not really had a chance to show us what he has yet and some people want him benched already. It is unreal.
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Thanks, I did it because I am tired of all of the hate directed at Carr. The man has not really had a chance to show us what he has yet and some people want him benched already. It is unreal.
The team will grow, and he will grow with them. Heck we didn't know what we had here, Fresno beat Colorado to pretty much start it all. Most of us were like, Carr looked pretty good. The by the end of the season I think most of us were amazed by him, even those who didn't see him coming, or didn't want to see.

In the end it's all about the wins that we need to win everybody over, and those will come. He's an aggressive QB and needs to be let lose like that, he's not a game manager and not a dink and dunker. For me the offense just isn't aggressive enough, calling screens on 3rd and 6 just about sets me off everytime, but then there is probably a reason I'm posting on a message board and not designing offenses.
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For me the offense just isn't aggressive enough
I think our playcalling on both sides is not aggressive enough, sometimes. I remember a few games this year when the defense would blitz in a game and the offense would open up the playbook, and it seemed to work, but somewhow we always ended up back to the smae old same old. But now that I think about it, I think the playcalling was kind of conservative on both sides due to the amount of rookies we had starting on defense (3 defensive rookies started for us in the last 2 games, most rookies to start for a team on defense, only 14 rookies started on defense in the entire NFL in the entire season), and on the offensive side my opinion is the conservative playcalling was due to the O line learning the zone blocking. Just my opinion, I am no coach or expert, but no matter what I support my Texans 110% all the way no matter what, just like 89% of us here do, and I am looking forward to next season. Luckily, I have NASCAR to hold me until football starts again.
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Agreed.

I'd like to see Peyton Manning with our o-line.
That O-line he is behind is not a great line. Manning makes them look better with his ability to make quick decisions, a quick release, and stepping up in the pocket.

I am guess i fall into the category of "Carr hater" because i think he is going to always be inconsistent. he will have some great games and even good years, but as of now when he has time he makes too many poor decisions. he is best when he is out of the pocket and can either let it fly with one or two options or take off and run, but in the NFL QBs who consistently make a difference in the passing game do so from the pocket. He is a starting quality QB in the NFL, I just don't think he is an elite guy. Honestly, as a Texans fans I hope he proves me wrong. I will gladly eat that crow.
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No O-line, questionable QB play, good O-line, a Pro Bowl Caliber QB.
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Carr and the O-line is one of those 'what came first, the chicken or the egg' questions, IMHO.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL, at best. He has no pocket awareness, gets happy feet, until yesterday (for a total of ONE play) he ALWAYS scrambles to his right, makes poor decisions, hangs onto the ball too long, and doesn't look downfield when he does start to run.

The O-line playing is terrible, especially at the Center position. Pitts at LG has played a grand total of 1 year there (this one), and it was under a new scheme. He didn't play football till college and has played EVERY down since the Texans inception in 2002. But there were times when they formed a pocket and Carr ran right out of it and into the rushing DE who wasn't any where near him at all, originally. There were other times when it was a complete failure of protection.

So does Carr have happy feet cause he always hears footsteps coming with the current O-line? Or does the current O-line know that he isn't going to stay in the pocket anyway, so why try forming one?

For all you Carr lovers, here is some advice from me. Stop emulating him and get a haircut so you can actually SEE the game. Carr himself said that the way the Texans played yesterday NEEDED to be boo-ed. Carr has some growing to do and I am not going to say fire him or replace him. But his place on the team is NOT above critiqueing and forming an opinion on. Anyone who thinks Carr is the type of QB to take a team to the Superbowl on his back (ie Marino, Montana) had better re-evaluate their opinions though, cause THAT ain't going to happen.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.
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Check it out using the thread search...

24 posts mentioning Carr (by the wronger)

23 against
1 for...

actually, the one for he was just complaining about Chicago fans cheering one of Carr's injuries, but that's the closest he got to being balanced

Wow, you can even get stat's on the 'fans' now...
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I'm just tired of all this talk BECAUSE remember last week when the Jags board got livid cuz they lost to us and were calling for the qb's head? That's exactly what most of you sound like
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Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.
Good points, but be prepared for the heat. Negative opinions about the mesiah are punishable by death on this board.
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Good points, but be prepared for the heat. Negative opinions about the mesiah are punishable by death on this board.
get a life...
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Check it out using the thread search...

24 posts mentioning Carr (by the wronger)

23 against
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actually, the one for he was just complaining about Chicago fans cheering one of Carr's injuries, but that's the closest he got to being balanced

Wow, you can even get stat's on the 'fans' now...
Yeah, I should probably be banished for having negative opinions about Houston's savior.

Most of these have been post-Cleveland. I could join in the Carr love fest but what fun would that be?
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For all you Carr lovers, here is some advice from me. Stop emulating him and get a haircut so you can actually SEE the game. Carr himself said that the way the Texans played yesterday NEEDED to be boo-ed. Carr has some growing to do and I am not going to say fire him or replace him. But his place on the team is NOT above critiqueing and forming an opinion on. Anyone who thinks Carr is the type of QB to take a team to the Superbowl on his back (ie Marino, Montana) had better re-evaluate their opinions though, cause THAT ain't going to happen.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.
Right now Carr is definitely an average NFL QB, although I think he will improve a lot over the next couple of years. I don't think he will be a Hall of Fame QB but he should be one of the best QB's in the league when he's in his prime.

While the team needed to be booed, the way fans singled out Carr when he came back into the game after being injured was completely classless. Anyone who booed at that time should never attend another Texans game. If I had been there in person, I would have probably gotten into a fight or two with any losers around me who did boo. That is if they had the balls to back up their idiocy, which is unlikely.
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get a life...
texansfan88, I apologize for hurting your feelings.

My mother told me that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all. I will try to abide by this motto going forward to avoid hurting any more feelings.
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