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Old 01-03-2005   #21
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And like I said in the other post, who challenges him for the job, Dave Ragone? If you bring in another QB to challenge Carr for his job all you will be doing is spending money on a veteran QB that no other team wants who will have to come in and learn our offense and our system and will most likely ride the bench anyways.
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I would love to see Carr challenged. I just don't want to see it done through the use of a draft pick.
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I would love to see Carr challenged. I just don't want to see it done through the use of a draft pick.
Yeah, that's a tough one.

They will probably have to get D and O line help through free agency to fix those problems immediately. Maybe pick up a speedy receiver in round 1 to take Bradford's spot and compliment Johnson. Then use their 2nd round choice on a QB. Either way they are going to need a reliable backup with Banks leaving. And Ragone is terrible.

What if Carr tears an ACL or keeps regressing like he did the second half of this season, what are we left with?
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What about BJ Symons. I know he's nothing special, but he did have an awesome year at Texs Tech. I'm not sure how'd he fare in the NFL. He has knee surgery this past season and has been doing rehab. He would be someone to definately get into the mix. Maybe not necessarily challenge Carr for the starting job, but he'd be a decent backup.
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Dang... busted a caps lock on us. You must really love Carr.
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Why would you not want to challenge him for his job? Competition makes players better.

I know that it's politically incorrect to hold Carr accountable for anything, but I can't help myself.
Yeah, the NFL is full of situations where open competitions for the quarterback position are good for team chemistry.
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Yeah, that's a tough one.

Then use their 2nd round choice on a QB. Either way they are going to need
Give me a freak'n break a 2nd round choice on a QB (already spent a 3rd pick on Ragone worked out great huh?), how stupid is that. Yeah our free agent o-line is working out great. We need lineman through the draft and only top talent lineman through FA. Lets see Carr w/ time over a 100 passer rating and 4-3 record. Carr w/ no time 3-6. Yeah the QB is the problem. I'm not saying he's HOF, but w/ a line he's above average. You put any QB in the situation he was in the 2nd half and none succeed. AJ needs a complement and we need help on both lines. It will come together if our front office makes the right moves. Get off his back, would you rather have Harrington.
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Or Leftwich, or Hutchison, or McGown?
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Get off his back, would you rather have Harrington.
Harrington has been just as average as Carr. Their stats are basically identical except Joey has 12 more TD passes.
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Why would you not want to challenge him for his job? Competition makes players better.

I know that it's politically incorrect to hold Carr accountable for anything, but I can't help myself.

Calm down, every one understands that Carr makes mistakes, he has happy feet, he checks down to DD far too often, he rushes his throws under pressure, but what would you do, you get out there and get sacked more than any other QB has, continually get knocked down and have to run for your life and see how you take it, see how comfident you are in your pass protection. Im astonished that he has gone this long without ending up on ESPN talking about how horrible his O-line is, hes sat back there and taken a beating but not once have I ever heard him in an interview talk about his weak offensive line play offecting his performance.

No Carr is not average, he is great at leading his team, he has a killer arm, good accuracy, a brilliant deep ball, he can hit the open receiver in stride, and he can squeez the ball between coverage. He has done a damn good job makeing plays even with one of the worst pass protecting O-lines in the NFL.
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...after reading this, does anyone else think ESPN is gonna save some money and replay that Texans commercial again where there is no offensive line?
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Harrington has been just as average as Carr. Their stats are basically identical except Joey has 12 more TD passes.
Do you still want to use our 2 rnd pick on a QB? Okay Harrington has 12 more TD's and has a better line, 2 deep threats and the Lions still can't win. We are winning more games. We need a better line and more consistency. Then if Carr is bad then I'll agree w/ you that he is average, until then I thoroughly disagree.
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You don't know what happened??

Tell me. Where exactly did you sense any presence of a pocket?

Yeah,what he said
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Where is that beating a dead horse smilie when you need it ?
Except the horse is pretty much unrecognizable by know.

Don't totally write off Ragone as a bust. If we were to suddenly figure out the art of pass blocking and then have to put him in he might do ok.

Palmer was the guy that made Rob Johnson (at least he didn't sign with us) look so good that Jacksonville traded him for a 1st round draft choice. Of course since then Palmer has forgotten everything he once knew about offense
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It's like arguing if I could please Pam Andersn or not. We can argue all day, but until she's in my bedroom and willing, we'll never know.

So let's fix the O-Line and see
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Let's compare him to big Ben for a second. The Steelers carried that boy all season. Carr is having to carry a great deal of the load, but not all. So Carr is good and in time will be the next Elway.....
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For everyone out there who thinks that David Carr makes no mistakes and the offensive line is blame for all of the Texans woes, check yourself. At least go back and look at the games. He has stunk it up the second half of this season. Stats don't necessarily win games, but his have fallen drastically. I don't know what happened but he lost all sense of a pocket presence.
Do you play for the Texans O Line?
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For everyone out there who thinks that David Carr makes no mistakes and the offensive line is blame for all of the Texans woes, check yourself. At least go back and look at the games. He has stunk it up the second half of this season. Stats don't necessarily win games, but his have fallen drastically. I don't know what happened but he lost all sense of a pocket presence.
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