Derrick Johnson? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

texansalltheway · 01-03-2005

If Derrick Johnson drops low enough (say below 8) would you trade our first and 2nd for him?

Possible needs?
1 San Francisco 49ers-Lienart
2 Miami Dolphins-Cedric "little Ricky" Benson
3 Cleveland Browns-Rodgers
4 Chicago Bears -Ferguson
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers-Mike Williams
6 Tennessee Titans- Erasmus James
7 Oakland Raiders-Cadillac Williams
8 Arizona Cardinals-Ronnie Brown
9 Washington Redskins- Mathias Kiwanuka
10 Detroit Lions-Derrick Johnson
11 Dallas Cowboys-Antrel Rolle
12 San Diego Chargers-Alex Barron
13 Houston Texans-???

In this scenario we could possible give up our 1st and 2nd for the 9th pick and that works using the point scale:
9th pick=1350
13th pick=1150
45th pick=450
(technically we could trade the 3rd rd pick from Dallas and it would be fair)

Washington needs extra picks anyways since they don't have a 2nd again and they need a DE and Kiwanuka could still fall to them at 13.

Johnson is a playmaking LB that could thrive in a system built around LB. He forced 9 fumbles this year Houston as a team only recovered 8. He could also be a force in the passing game rushing or dropping back into coverage.

BuffSoldier · 01-03-2005

First and second??????????????
Dont think CC or DC would agree to that, Maybe a first and one of our 3rds or a first and jay Foreman and a 6th or somehing.
Although he is the best player in the draft IMO I dont think wed give that much for him.

Hottoddie · 01-03-2005

No way! We've got to add a lot of depth to this team. If we keep trading multiple picks for one player, it'll take us another 5 years to make a serious run at the Superbowl. We've got quite a few 30+ y/o players as starters & backups right now. With age comes injuries. If we don't add depth & youth this year, we could end up just like the Browns.

texansfan88 · 01-03-2005

OH MAN! I thought after the Sean Taylor **** last year this stuff would go away...I guess not. It's not happening, get over it

**gwallaia** · 01-03-2005

Marcus Spears, Ahmand Brooks, Derrick Johnson are the guys I'm thinking the Texans might consider.

Don't be surprised if the 49ers trade away the 1st pick.

AndroidRaider24 · 01-03-2005

I think teams will be tempted to take him , and he will be taken in the top 10 , he is just to good to pass up.

texansalltheway · 01-03-2005

Charley has said it is a weak class so what can we expect from our 2nd rd pick? We still have 2 3rd rd picks so we still end up with 7 players to help with depth, not to mention we could find help in free agency. essentially we are only giving up our 2nd rd pick to move up a few spots in the first to pick, arguable the best athlete of the draft. All this assuming he falls a few spots. We gave up a lot more for Babin who was an unknown last year, this is a chance to get a playmaker on defense.

swtbound07 · 01-03-2005

If anybody watched the Auburn game, i think we should take a serious look at carlos rogers....him and dunta as a tandem for years to come is just scary

Blake · 01-03-2005

I dont see the Texans moving anywhere. They make good solid 1st round picks. I think the only way to win the draft is to move down in exchange for more 1st day picks.

If you trade up, you are only gambling with a greater cost than everyone else. Stay where you are and see what talent falls to you.

In your senario these players are still available to you!

Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Ahmad Brooks, OLB, Virginia
Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
Marcus Spears, DE, L.S.U.

Why would you trade out of a player like this?

Hottoddie · 01-03-2005

Also, if this is such a weak draft, then why not try trading down & pick up an extra pick next year. In other words, drop down into the high teens or low 20's & pick up a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year.

Wolf · 01-03-2005

speaking of Wright... At the rose bowl I heard NOTHING of him.. Was he in the lineup?
(being serious because I didn't see the start of the game

wags · 01-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf

speaking of Wright... At the rose bowl I heard NOTHING of him.. Was he in the lineup?
(being serious because I didn't see the start of the game

He sure was. Never made a play.

ComstockLode · 01-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by wags

He sure was. Never made a play.

Did Michigan's running game do anything? Then he did his job. He is a DT not a DE. He occasionally can creat some pressure, but he is best at taking up blockers...

Wolf · 01-03-2005

they rushed for about 140ish

Michigan did a good job of running at DJ

cj5776 · 01-04-2005

Dan Coady USC Texans First round pick

Anybody????

texansalltheway · 01-04-2005

Cody has a problem with depression. Great guy but that could be a concern to a team like the Texans.

tiger06 · 01-04-2005

As much as I'd love to get Johnson, I wouldn't trade up to get him. I'd like to see us draft a D-lineman, safety, or TE with our first pick. Spears, Thomas Davis, or Heath Miller. We could also use nother receiver like Edwards to compliment AJ.

**edo783** · 01-04-2005

I like the idea of Miller (TE) or Edwards (WR) for first pick unless Rolle happens to be around. A NT then in the second round and use both 3s for O-line center and Gaurd.

Blake · 01-04-2005

I dont think you can go for a player like Edwards when you have so many other needs. If the front office is still geared towards going D, then you mind as well give up on Edwards. Unless Johnson gets hurt, we will not pick Edwards. Especially since Payne went down.

If I were picking what positions we needed, they would be NT/LB/CB/DE/S

NT - Replace Seth.
LB - Inisde or out. Draft an ILB, or draft an OLB, and move Wong to Inside.
CB- Eventually repleace Glenn and give us the best corners in the leage. Ala Dolphins.
DE - Take Spears, and move Smith inside to NT.
S - Davis would give us a scary secondary.

I dont see us going LT, because I think they see some promise in Wand.
I dont see them going WR, because we have Johnson.
I dont see them going RB until 3-4th round.
I dont see them going TE until we cut or trade Joppru.

ALIVE287 · 01-04-2005

i say the texans do whatever it takes to trade up and get derrick johnson. he's that good. he'd be a guaranteed defensive playmaker for the franchise for years and years to come. he's a lock. look at roy williams last year (yeah, ok, im talking about another longhorn) but look at how the lions stole him last year by trading up.i'd rather trade up and take derrick johnson now than take a chance on someone else. they could put derrick in the middle with sharper. i dunno, i could be crazy. what do you think? it looks like a weak draft class and i think derrick johnson is too good of a player to pass up.

01-03-2005	#1
texansalltheway Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pearland Age: 30 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 10	Derrick Johnson? If Derrick Johnson drops low enough (say below 8) would you trade our first and 2nd for him? Possible needs? 1 San Francisco 49ers-Lienart 2 Miami Dolphins-Cedric "little Ricky" Benson 3 Cleveland Browns-Rodgers 4 Chicago Bears -Ferguson 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers-Mike Williams 6 Tennessee Titans- Erasmus James 7 Oakland Raiders-Cadillac Williams 8 Arizona Cardinals-Ronnie Brown 9 Washington Redskins- Mathias Kiwanuka 10 Detroit Lions-Derrick Johnson 11 Dallas Cowboys-Antrel Rolle 12 San Diego Chargers-Alex Barron 13 Houston Texans-??? In this scenario we could possible give up our 1st and 2nd for the 9th pick and that works using the point scale: 9th pick=1350 13th pick=1150 45th pick=450 (technically we could trade the 3rd rd pick from Dallas and it would be fair) Washington needs extra picks anyways since they don't have a 2nd again and they need a DE and Kiwanuka could still fall to them at 13. Johnson is a playmaking LB that could thrive in a system built around LB. He forced 9 fumbles this year Houston as a team only recovered 8. He could also be a force in the passing game rushing or dropping back into coverage.

01-03-2005	#2
BuffSoldier Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Tha South Side of Screwston, Texas Age: 25 Posts: 1,929 Rep Power: 11	First and second?????????????? Dont think CC or DC would agree to that, Maybe a first and one of our 3rds or a first and jay Foreman and a 6th or somehing. Although he is the best player in the draft IMO I dont think wed give that much for him. __________________ Pressure bust a pipe.

01-03-2005	#5
gwallaia Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 6,751 Rep Power: 22986	Marcus Spears, Ahmand Brooks, Derrick Johnson are the guys I'm thinking the Texans might consider. Don't be surprised if the 49ers trade away the 1st pick. __________________ It is impossible to keep your eyes open when you sneeze.

01-03-2005	#9
Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,587 Rep Power: 14926	I dont see the Texans moving anywhere. They make good solid 1st round picks. I think the only way to win the draft is to move down in exchange for more 1st day picks. If you trade up, you are only gambling with a greater cost than everyone else. Stay where you are and see what talent falls to you. In your senario these players are still available to you! Thomas Davis, S, Georgia Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan Ahmad Brooks, OLB, Virginia Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas Marcus Spears, DE, L.S.U. Why would you trade out of a player like this? __________________

01-03-2005	#11
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,819 Rep Power: 40226	speaking of Wright... At the rose bowl I heard NOTHING of him.. Was he in the lineup? (being serious because I didn't see the start of the game __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

01-03-2005	#3
Hottoddie Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston Age: 54 Posts: 1,205 Rep Power: 503	No way! We've got to add a lot of depth to this team. If we keep trading multiple picks for one player, it'll take us another 5 years to make a serious run at the Superbowl. We've got quite a few 30+ y/o players as starters & backups right now. With age comes injuries. If we don't add depth & youth this year, we could end up just like the Browns.

01-03-2005	#4
texansfan88 All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 25 Posts: 880 Rep Power: 0	OH MAN! I thought after the Sean Taylor **** last year this stuff would go away...I guess not. It's not happening, get over it

01-03-2005	#6
AndroidRaider24 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 9	I think teams will be tempted to take him , and he will be taken in the top 10 , he is just to good to pass up.

01-03-2005	#8
swtbound07 Jackass of Day! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tampa, Florida Age: 27 Posts: 9,474 Rep Power: 902	If anybody watched the Auburn game, i think we should take a serious look at carlos rogers....him and dunta as a tandem for years to come is just scary

01-04-2005	#15
cj5776 Veteran Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 363 Rep Power: 69	speed at the DE Dan Coady USC Texans First round pick Anybody????

01-04-2005	#17
tiger06 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texarkana, TX Age: 24 Posts: 265 Rep Power: 9	As much as I'd love to get Johnson, I wouldn't trade up to get him. I'd like to see us draft a D-lineman, safety, or TE with our first pick. Spears, Thomas Davis, or Heath Miller. We could also use nother receiver like Edwards to compliment AJ.

01-04-2005	#18
edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	I like the idea of Miller (TE) or Edwards (WR) for first pick unless Rolle happens to be around. A NT then in the second round and use both 3s for O-line center and Gaurd. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

01-04-2005	#20
ALIVE287 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	trade up for d. johnson? i say the texans do whatever it takes to trade up and get derrick johnson. he's that good. he'd be a guaranteed defensive playmaker for the franchise for years and years to come. he's a lock. look at roy williams last year (yeah, ok, im talking about another longhorn) but look at how the lions stole him last year by trading up.i'd rather trade up and take derrick johnson now than take a chance on someone else. they could put derrick in the middle with sharper. i dunno, i could be crazy. what do you think? it looks like a weak draft class and i think derrick johnson is too good of a player to pass up.

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