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Old 11-23-2008   #1
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NORMAN, Okla. – College football’s leadership has hatched plenty of harebrained ideas in its annual quest to ruin the national championship chase.

The one that promises to derail the season of either Oklahoma or Texas, which, you might recall, actually beat the Sooners last month, might be the most bizarre

The Big 12 South champion could be determined by a poll of faceless, feckless and too often partisan voters far from these windswept plains.

Only a sport with such a profound lack of leadership, in this case Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, could descend into a cross between figure skating and “American Idol.”

The Big 12 failed to come up with enough of its own criteria for breaking a three-way tie at the top of the standings, as Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech could produce. Instead it was willing to punt to the computers and voters who determine the BCS rankings. Whatever team is ranked highest wins the division.

Among the problems: Few of the coaches who vote in the coaches’ poll have seen anything but snippets of play from the league. They are no better than the 114 politically connected folks of various qualifications and attention spans who make up the Harris Poll. Combined, the two polls count for two-thirds of the rankings.

Each voter has personal biases, constituents to answer to and self-interests.

Since the BCS has no set standards for ranking teams, just about anything can be taken into consideration.

Should Texas get the nod because it beat Oklahoma? Should it be Oklahoma because it put together the most impressive performance of the season in blasting Tech 65-21? Should Tech be considered because a voter likes its coach?

How about strength of schedule? Or margin of victory? Coolest mascot? Color scheme? Does it matter who’s played the most recent TV game?
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Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.
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Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.
LOL.

If it was that simple then OU would have beat UT on a neutral field.
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Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.
How about head-to-head?
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This makes me sick. But I think the only fair way to decide who should go if it comes down to Texas and OU is the winner of the only head to head game, and that's Texas. Unless you win 1 more game than me, you shouldn't get the nod over me if I beat you. Its really that simple.

It shouldnt matter that you beat a team 65-0. Mack isnt that kind of a coach. The kind that runs up the score. He just wins, and gets winners to play at Texas.
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This makes me sick. But I think the only fair way to decide who should go if it comes down to Texas and OU is the winner of the only head to head game, and that's Texas. Unless you win 1 more game than me, you shouldn't get the nod over me if I beat you. Its really that simple.

It shouldnt matter that you beat a team 65-0. Mack isnt that kind of a coach. The kind that runs up the score. He just wins, and gets winners to play at Texas.
I want to agree with you, but it is a THREE WAY tie.

If it was a two way tie then Texas undoubtedly wins it.

But Texas Tech still has the same record as the other two, so they are still in the conversion whether they have a real shot or not.
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I want to agree with you, but it is a THREE WAY tie.

If it was a two way tie then Texas undoubtedly wins it.

But Texas Tech still has the same record as the other two, so they are still in the conversion whether they have a real shot or not.
I stated that if it comes down to OU and Texas, removing Tech from the equation.
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I stated that if it comes down to OU and Texas, removing Tech from the equation.
So if Tech loses to Baylor?
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So if Tech loses to Baylor?
Exactly, to all those who say OU is better than Texas, what if that happens? Is OU now not a better team than Texas just because Tech loses to Baylor? Its a screwed up situation, but everybody knows its basically a two team race and who beat who between those two teams?
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Exactly, to all those who say OU is better than Texas, what if that happens? Is OU now not a better team than Texas just because Tech loses to Baylor? Its a screwed up situation, but everybody knows its basically a two team race and who beat who between those two teams?
I think Texas and OU are both better than Tech.

But I don't think that eliminates Tech from the discussion. They did beat us after all, even if it was on the last play of the game, they still won.

I want Texas to be in the NC Game, and I don't care how we get there.

But let's be realistic. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for us and we are looking at the Fiesta Bowl as worst case scenario.
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Well when you put it like that Mark Schlabach....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebo.../onthemark1124

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Well when you put it like that Mark Schlabach....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebo.../onthemark1124

Make it happen voters.
Lets hope the people count the W as a W and don't let running up the score be apart of the voting process.
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Lets hope the people count the W as a W and don't let running up the score be apart of the voting process.
Oklahoma didn't run up the score, they flat out beat the hell out of us. Plus you would have to be crazy not to score as many points as you can against Tech. I have seen them erase 28 point leads in less than a quarter.
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But let's be realistic. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for us and we are looking at the Fiesta Bowl as worst case scenario.
Not necessarily. If OU goes to the Big 12 championship and wins, they'll be in the BCS title game. Doesn't that mean Missouri gets to go to the Fiesta Bowl or does Texas get that spot?
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Not necessarily. If OU goes to the Big 12 championship and wins, they'll be in the BCS title game. Doesn't that mean Missouri gets to go to the Fiesta Bowl or does Texas get that spot?
Missouri earns nothing by losing the conference title game.

The highest ranked team would get the Fiesta regardless of division.
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Oklahoma didn't run up the score, they flat out beat the hell out of us. Plus you would have to be crazy not to score as many points as you can against Tech. I have seen them erase 28 point leads in less than a quarter.
I agree. Let me put this another way because I didn't mean they ran up the score in a disrespectful way. Lets hope they count the W as a W and not base this on who scores the most points.
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I've decided to crunch the numbers to see who has the best stats over the year. Stats don't tell the whole story, or even half of it, but they do give an indication of a whole season's worth of work instead of just the past few games.

First off, comparative strength of schedule:
Texas - #5 in the nation
Texas Tech - #19 in the nation
Oklahoma - #25 in the nation

All rankings are for the Big XII conference only.

Scoring Offense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 3rd
Texas - 4th

Total Offense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 2nd
Texas - 5th

Passing Efficiency:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas - 2nd
Texas Tech - 5th

Scoring Defense:
Texas - 1st
Oklahoma - 3rd
Texas Tech - 5th

Total Defense:
Texas - 1st
Oklahoma - 2nd
Texas Tech - 4th

Pass Efficiency Defense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas - 2nd
Texas Tech - 4th

Turnover Margin:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 3rd
Texas - 6th



What it means:
I would give OU a big edge in offense over Texas, but Texas an edge over OU in defense.

None of the teams has played a pansy schedule, but Texas clearly has played the toughest.
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Missouri earns nothing by losing the conference title game.

The highest ranked team would get the Fiesta regardless of division.
IMO its NC or bust. Winning something is enough for some people, but it shouldnt be with this team.
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IMO its NC or bust. Winning something is enough for some people, but it shouldnt be with this team.
I'm not gonna disagree with that.

I'm just gonna ask, what were you expecting this season? I was expecting a 10 win season, finish 3rd in conference behind OU & Mizzou, and a Cotton Bowl victory.

So I may not be satisfied with the Fiesta Bowl, but I will damn sure be happy.
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Screw the BCS.

College football playoffs cannot get here soon enough.
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