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Old 01-12-2005   #41
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It Rolle dropped down close to 13- I think I'd take him- despite having needs elsewhere. CB is a position where depth is always an asset (nickel and dime packages, for instance)
Especially in a division with Manning, McNair, and Leftwich.
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Just learned today that Marcus McNeal OT, Auburn is returning to school next year, call it the trickle down effect. changes are in bold lettering

1. 49ers - Matt Leinart QB, USC.
2. Dolphins - Aaron Rogers QB Cal.
3. Browns - Alex Barron OT, Florida State.
4. Bears - Braylon Edwards WR, Michigan.
5. Bucs - Cadillac Williams RB, Auburn.
6. Titans - Derrick Johnson LB, Texas.
7. Raiders - Mike Williams WR, USC.
8. Cardinals - Cedric Benson RB, Texas.
9. Redskins - Erasmus James DE, Wisconsin.
10. Lions - Thomas Davis S, Georgia.
11. Cowboys - Antrell Rolle CB, Miami.
12. Chargers (via Giants) - Elton Brown OG, Virginia.
13. Texans - Haloti Ngata NT, Oregon.
14. Panthers - Ronnie Brown RB, Auburn.
15. Chiefs - Marlin Jackson CB, Michigan.
16, Saints - David Pollack LB/DE, Georgia.
17. Bengals - Mark Clayton WR, Oklahoma.
18. Cowboys (via Buffalo) - Anttaj Hawthorne DT, Wisconsin.
19. Jaguars - Adam Jones CB, West Virginia.
20. Ravens - Jammal Brown OT, Oklahoma.
21. Seahawks - Brandon Browner CB, Oregon State.
22. Packers - Alex Smith QB, Utah.
23. Broncos - Shawn Cody DT, USC.
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Can you explain why the Packers would draft a QB [when they already have 2 in the system and learning it] instead of taking defense?
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Can you explain why the Packers would draft a QB [when they already have 2 in the system and learning it] instead of taking defense?
Because both Nall and O'sullivan are average at best QB's. GreenBay DOES need a QB successor to groom when Brett leaves.

I think they jump up to snag the odd man out.

1. Aaron Rodgers California 6-3 220 4.70
2. Alex Smith Utah 6-4 212 4.70
3. Matt Leinart USC 6-5 220 4.80

Of course they could just wait for one of these guys to hit them. They are all underrated quarterbacks.

4. Charlie Frye Akron 6-4 228 4.65
5. Kyle Orton Purdue 6-4 226 4.90
6. Andrew Walter Arizona St. 6-5 235 4.85
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I disagree with that though... Nall's the QB that Green Bay has been grooming! They've already put enough time into the guy, I don't think they'll waste him by drafting another QB.

After all, with the "QB Farm System" of the Packers, who's to say that Nall is destined to mediocrity when other great QBs have sat behind Favre?

If anything, if GB HAS to draft another QB, Chris Rix is obviously the best choice [that is, if GB wants another reckless, crazy QB with arm power >_>]

On top of that, GB does have gaping holes on defense.... DE, DT, LB, CB, FS... they won't have the cap space to cover it all through free agency, and will need to draft as many defensive studs as they can.
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i understand your frustration GB, but didn't the Packers use their 1st pick last year on a CB (Ahmad Carroll)? Then traded down from the 2nd rd to aquire more picks in the 3rd where they drafted yet another CB (Joey Thomas) & DT (Donnell Washington)? Seems like exactly what they did in last years draft, tried to address a multitude of defensive needs.

soon I believe Sherman is stepping down from being GM and the Packers are bringing in Ted Thompson from Seattle to rebuild the team. Where do new GM's generally speaking start with the rebuilding process, what position did the Texans use with their #1 pick in the draft?

add to this Brett Favre is seriously (he should for his own health reasons) thinking retirement. What I would like to see if I where a Packer Fan would be for Brett to stick around as QB coach, draft a bright young mind with the skill set to quickly learn his system, get one of the top picks in the following years draft and reunite Alex with Reggie Bush as the future of the Packers. IMO
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Fox's attempt at a mock draft. Yet another head scratcher of us.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3320986
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They have Antonio Perkins and Jamaal Brimmer both going in the middle of the 1st Round. I really like Brimmer, but even I don't think he'll be a first round pick.
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i understand your frustration GB, but didn't the Packers use their 1st pick last year on a CB (Ahmad Carroll)? Then traded down from the 2nd rd to aquire more picks in the 3rd where they drafted yet another CB (Joey Thomas) & DT (Donnell Washington)? Seems like exactly what they did in last years draft, tried to address a multitude of defensive needs.
Packers need:

DE - Kampman isn't doing it... could be solved through free agency, but the Pack have cap problems.... also, KGB needs attention taken away from him.

DT - Donnell is coming off a bad knee injury, Hunt is overpaid and ineffective, Grady doesn't play enough to make an impact.

MLB - Because Barnett is better at the OLB spot, but there is no one who can be a great MLB

SS - Mark Roman... real fearsome there.

A successor to Sharper at the FS spot, who also eats up a bad portion of the Packer cap space.

The only area where the Pack are fine are OLB [provided Barnett can shift] and CB... everything else is a hole that needs studs to insert themselves into.

The Packer offense itself needs no fix.... Nall can just feed off the playaction created by the power running game from Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport.
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Brimmer and Perkins are low 2nd to high 3rd round picks.
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Perkins is just a return specialist and that's all. Given that the only pass oriented teams he's ever had to cover was Texas Tech and USC. Very impressive cover skills.

I just don't see why he'd be a 2nd-3rd rounder for anything other than special teams.

Brimmer I'd have to give some credit there... haven't seen much of uNLV or their opponents.... but why not pick up Lofa Tafupu from USC and convert him to SS ala Polamalu....

But to pass up on Shaun Cody, a stud DT from a school known to produce studs, I don't see that happening, esp. since Sherman is no longer GM....
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Here is beerlovers Mock Draft completed as of 01/16/05. enjoy. complete breakdown with explanation coming......

1. 49ers - Aaron Rogers QB, CAL.
2. Phins - Cedric Benson RB, Texas.
3. Browns - Alex Barron OT, Florida State.
4. Bears - Braylon Edwards WR, Michigan.
5. Bucs - Cadillac Williams RB, Auburn.
6. Titans - Derrick Johnson LB, Texas.
7. Raiders - Mike Williams WR, USC.
8. Cardinals - Alex Smith QB, Utah.
9. Redskins - Erasmus James DE, Wisconsin.
10. Lions - Thomas Davis S, Georgia.
11. Cowboys - Antrell Rolle CB, Miami.
12. Chargers (via Giants) - Jammal Brown OT, Oklahoma.
13. Texans - Elton Brown, OG Virgina.
14. Panthers - Ronnie Brown RB, Auburn.
15. Chiefs - Marlin Jackson CB, Michigan.
16, Saints - Kevin Burnett LB, Tennessee.
17. Bengals - Anttaj Hawthorne DT, Wisconsin.
18. Vikings - Shawn Cody DT, USC.
19. Rams - Adam PAC MAN Jones CB, WV.
20. Cowboys (via Bills) - David Pollack, DE/OLB Georgia.
21. Jaguars - Brandon Browner CB, OSU.
22. Ravens - Mark Clayton WR, Oklahoma.
23. Seahawks - Dan Cody DE, Oklahoma.
24. Packers - Marcus Spears DT, LSU.
25. Broncos - Travis Johnson DT, FSU.
26. Jets - Heath Miller TE, Virginia.
27. Falcons - Ernest Shazor S, Michigan.
28. Chargers - Matt Roth DE/OLB, Iowa.
29. Colts - Channing Chowder MLB, Florida.
30. Patriots - Carlos Rogers CB, Georgia.
31. Eagles - Roddy White WR, UAB.
32. Steelers - Justin Miller CB, Clemson.
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I would still take Pollack at #13 (if he's there) and use him at OLB.
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i agree it would warm my heart to have Pollack as a Texan but the simple fact remains Carr needs protection and the running attack needs a shot therfore the Texans address the offensive line with the best OG in the draft, this will help both Wand & Wade solidifying the interior & increasing the effectivenss of zone blocking schemes.
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Pollack is a good player. But he is to big to be a OLB and to small to be a DE in the texans scheme.
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Pollack is a good player. But he is to big to be a OLB and to small to be a DE in the texans scheme.
Plus we already have a tweener and that is a little high for a tweener.
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Anyone got the scoop on D' Brickashaw Ferguson, has he declared or what?
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brick announced awhile back he's staying
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Did Haloti N'gata declare or not? I haven't been able to find out. If he didn't we better hope like heck we resign Payne and find him some better help for him somewhere before next season.
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Ngata is staying in school...
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