Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-02-2005   #1
utahmark
markbeth
 
utahmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: utah
Age: 44
Posts: 1,991
Rep Power: 8733 utahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respected
Default who do you replace on the oline?

you cant replace them all this off season so who goes first?

the right side is fair to good when healthy plus we got to much money invested in them so they stay. although we do need a backup rg. i think they should concentrate on center, lg and a backup rg. maybe give wand one more year. they also have to get a dlineman or 2. so that would be about the most they could do(to improve the oline) this off season.
utahmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #2
the wonger need food
Hall of Fame
 
the wonger need food's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 44
Posts: 2,562
Rep Power: 1340 the wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Wade and Weigert are the only ones worth salvaging.
the wonger need food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #3
AndreJ
All Pro
 
AndreJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Age: 26
Posts: 934
Rep Power: 10 AndreJ is ridin' the pine
Default

As far as the O-Line goes I would have a look at the LG and C positions. Like you said i would give Wand another year and the right side is pretty much set as far as contracts and all go. But i like the idea of a beasts at C to take charge and be a leader on the O-Line. I would also look into replacing the Pitts, but he would be good for depth.
__________________
"Get ya hands off me!!!"-DROB
AndreJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #4
Wolf
100% Texan
 
Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kerrville
Age: 44
Posts: 36,882
Rep Power: 67576 Wolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Mckinney seems to be "light" on the Center side.. and if he could slide to guard that would be great.

I am still looking for stats on how wand did his rookie year compared to Pitts at LT on his rookie year.
Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #5
utahmark
markbeth
 
utahmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: utah
Age: 44
Posts: 1,991
Rep Power: 8733 utahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreJ
As far as the O-Line goes I would have a look at the LG and C positions. Like you said i would give Wand another year and the right side is pretty much set as far as contracts and all go. But i like the idea of a beasts at C to take charge and be a leader on the O-Line. I would also look into replacing the Pitts, but he would be good for depth.


he could back up the lg and lt. that would be a plus.
utahmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #6
utahmark
markbeth
 
utahmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: utah
Age: 44
Posts: 1,991
Rep Power: 8733 utahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf
Mckinney seems to be "light" on the Center side.. and if he could slide to guard that would be great.

I am still looking for stats on how wand did his rookie year compared to Pitts at LT on his rookie year.

someone posted it. they said wand gave up less sacks and had less penalties.
utahmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #7
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
 
Errant Hothy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Keller, Tx
Age: 35
Posts: 9,812
Rep Power: 21318 Errant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Running to the right--2.8 ypc
Running to the left--4.2 ypc
Running up the middle--4.5 ypc

Somebody else posted this, but ya the right side was sooooooooooo much better then the left this year. Pitts, switched positions this year and has to play next to McKinney.

And I must I say Wiegert was only the 4th best linemen this year, to me atleast. (McKinney being the worst)

From infantrycak:

Chester Pitts
2002 15.5 sacks allowed, 9 penalties including 3 false starts and 5 holds
2003 5.75 sacks allowed, 17 penalties including 8 false starts and 7 holds

2004 4 sacks allowed, 12 penalties including 7 false starts and 3 holds

Seth Wand
2004 11.50 sacks allowed, 3 penalties--1 false start and 2 holds
__________________
Errant Hothy is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 01-02-2005   #8
Wolf
100% Texan
 
Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kerrville
Age: 44
Posts: 36,882
Rep Power: 67576 Wolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

you have that right? looks like left did better
Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #9
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
 
Errant Hothy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Keller, Tx
Age: 35
Posts: 9,812
Rep Power: 21318 Errant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf
you have that right? looks like left did better
The rushing stats? Yeah pretty sure they are right, pulled them from the same post infantrycak's stats came from, just can't remember who posted them.

Credit for the stats once agian go to infantrycak. Heres a link to the thread
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...6&page=1&pp=20
Errant Hothy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #10
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
 
D-ReK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Avalon
Age: 29
Posts: 3,406
Rep Power: 684 D-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respectedD-ReK is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the wonger need food
Wade and Weigert are the only ones worth salvaging.
Agreed...Based solely on the contracts we gave them, we kinda have to have them starting...
__________________
Smoke 'em if you got 'em...
D-ReK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #11
Wolf
100% Texan
 
Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kerrville
Age: 44
Posts: 36,882
Rep Power: 67576 Wolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

suprised me. the left side did better than the right side and the right side has the big bucks attachedto them
Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #12
OzzO
.. and then?
 
OzzO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: northside
Posts: 6,602
Rep Power: 11712 OzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respectedOzzO is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to OzzO
Default

Find a center, move McKinney to guard where he used to play, to fight for a starting position or go to backup. If backup - that would be dual for a guard and center.
OzzO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #13
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,515
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf
suprised me. the left side did better than the right side and the right side has the big bucks attachedto them
Probably because most people don't appreciate Pitts due to his being a relative juvenile at his position. Pitts is a heck of a blocker....he is just prone to mistakes. Sometimes a bunch of them. Otherwise he is a heck of a drive blocker.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #14
Wolf
100% Texan
 
Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kerrville
Age: 44
Posts: 36,882
Rep Power: 67576 Wolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A4toZ
Find a center, move McKinney to guard where he used to play, to fight for a starting position or go to backup. If backup - that would be dual for a guard and center.
yes you got it
Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #15
BuffSoldier
Hall of Fame
 
BuffSoldier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tha South Side of Screwston, Texas
Age: 26
Posts: 1,929
Rep Power: 11 BuffSoldier is ridin' the pine
Default

I think that Wand has done a great job pass blocking this year, holding his own against some good pass rushin DEs but to me his run blocking is suspect, maybe he isnt quick enough for the zone blocking scheme. I would give him another year unless someone like Alex Barron fell to us in the draft(not going to happen) Weiger has been OK and is a better run blocker. Pitts and McKinney have been the worst IMO. We could improve at either position. It doesnt matter if we draft an O lineman or pick up one in free agency but we have to get better at pass protection.
__________________
Pressure bust a pipe.
BuffSoldier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #16
Number19
All Pro
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 657
Rep Power: 13867 Number19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respectedNumber19 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

The problem with our OL is that they are all originally mid-round selections. Pitts and Wand were both 3rd round selections. To improve, we need to invest first and second round picks.

This year, Jammal Brown-OT, Alex Barron-OT, Elton Brown-OG are the only three worth the 12th or 13th pick. I like David Baas, but he would be a reach.

I also like Ben Wilkerson-C as a third or forth round project. If not for his Oct injury, he would have been a first round selection.
Number19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #17
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
 
Errant Hothy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Keller, Tx
Age: 35
Posts: 9,812
Rep Power: 21318 Errant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respectedErrant Hothy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A4toZ
Find a center, move McKinney to guard where he used to play, to fight for a starting position or go to backup. If backup - that would be dual for a guard and center.

McKinney is a bti small/crappy for a center, what makes you thing he would do better at guard; especially seeing that he got moved from guard to center by the Colts? Steve is probally past his prime and need to be relegated to back-up center only or just released and we take the cap hit whatever it may be.
Errant Hothy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #18
utahmark
markbeth
 
utahmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: utah
Age: 44
Posts: 1,991
Rep Power: 8733 utahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
Probably because most people don't appreciate Pitts due to his being a relative juvenile at his position. Pitts is a heck of a blocker....he is just prone to mistakes. Sometimes a bunch of them. Otherwise he is a heck of a drive blocker.

i dont look at pitts a lot during the games but i hear his number called a lot he has got to do something about those penalties. wand is playing his first year and i didnt see a lot off penalties from him.
utahmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #19
jacquescas
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 1,323
Rep Power: 11 jacquescas is ridin' the pine
Default

Any draft pick is going to have growing pains. Maybe if we trade down to the mid to later first round to get Baas. but other than that i dont see anyone else providing results in 2005.

our best bet to fix the O-line in 2005 is free agency. Good chance Walter Jones might hit the market, I'd sign a top flight tackle. as good as Wand has been, he isn't Orlando Pace or Walter Jones. Put them on the side, and Wand backing them up and we have a pretty solid line.

Otherwise someone like Baron, even if he falls to us, will have growning pains and will not help the line.

Free agent interior lineman are too costly, if you can get a good deal its worth it, but deals like the ones Miami games Jeno James last year are just a recipe for disaster, i believe interior lineman are drafted, not signed as free agents cause they cause cap dilema.
jacquescas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #20
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 48
Posts: 14,202
Rep Power: 164415 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

The only lineman I make a point of trying to replace in the offseason is McKinney. I look for Milford Brown to push Weigert in camp this year and possibly take that spot but I don't look at that as a "we've got to do something ASAP" kind of thing. That's a "may the best man win" situation.

The rest of them I give more time to. Wand and Pitts are going to be anchors on the left and Wade is going to be very solid on the right. I say build on what we've done for the most part and then go out and find that nasty center who gets the job done.

McKinney must go IMO. He's a liability in the middle and, in an interview postgame I just listened to him claim that the offensive line didn't have a bad day. His lips were moving and I could hear him say it but the only thing I could really focus on was the whipped look in his eyes. This statement maybe ticked me off more than anything I saw on the field today. McKinney's deluding himself if he thinks you can't lay the majority of the teams problems at the lines feet.
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger