Double D only bright spot - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

TRAILERPARKBOYS · 01-02-2005

Aside from DD the Texans have nothin going on for themselves - Carr is extremely inconsistent, the play calling is way too conservative and the O-line simply sucks. Davis had a phenomenal year - 1700 yards from scrimmage and 15 TD's is tremendous.... congrats to Domanick - a very under appreciated and underrated back who isn't flashy but gets the job done. Next year is make or break for Carr - if he does not improve on throwin only 15 TD's then he could end up a NFL backup. Maybe Carr will end up in the CFL up here in arctic Canada.

Bubbles

**edo783** · 01-02-2005

DD is underrated, but David will have a hard time doing any better without some sort of o-line improvement.

**gwallaia** · 01-02-2005

I think Andre Johnson is pretty good.

Wolf · 01-02-2005

I think teams know that that if they double AJ ..

Carr checks down to DD REALLY quickly and basically that is a running play and DD isn't going to break a long one.
DD will get his yards but not enough of a threat to quit doubling Aj

on running plays.
see above
and that is if the OL blocks

Tayton · 01-02-2005

I know run blocking is different than pass blocking but Dominick had the same offensive line as Carr. I was a big Carr fan going into this season but I would have to say he was the biggest disappointment of the year. I expected a break out season and I know that the offensive line sucks but even when given time he made a lot of poor decisions with the football. I also think that next year will be a make or break year for Carr as well as the coaching staff.

Wolf · 01-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Tayton

I know run blocking is different than pass blocking but Dominick had the same offensive line as Carr. I was a big Carr fan going into this season but I would have to say he was the biggest disappointment of the year. I expected a break out season and I know that the offensive line sucks but even when given time he made a lot of poor decisions with the football. I also think that next year will be a make or break year for Carr as well as the coaching staff.

I think we still need to improve the center postion.. and yes, Carr makes bad reads.. how many times does he go back instead of step up in the pocket or not find the right receiver ( I find it hard to believe in some games that the TE is not open) and we only get 4 receivers involved in the game
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the wonger need food · 01-02-2005

DD stepped up and played like a man the second half of the season. Of course when this happened the passing game dropped off. What a season of inconsistency.

Fiddy · 01-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Tayton

I know run blocking is different than pass blocking but Dominick had the same offensive line as Carr. I was a big Carr fan going into this season but I would have to say he was the biggest disappointment of the year. I expected a break out season and I know that the offensive line sucks but even when given time he made a lot of poor decisions with the football. I also think that next year will be a make or break year for Carr as well as the coaching staff.

Carr completed over 60% of his passes.
Carr threw for more than 1000 more yards then his previous career high. (11th in the league in passing yards)
Carr threw more TDs then INTs this season.
Carr was around 16th in the league in passer rating.

Wolf · 01-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiddy

Carr completed over 60% of his passes.
Carr threw for more than 1000 more yards then his previous career high. (11th in the league in passing yards)
Carr threw more TDs then INTs this season.
Carr was around 16th in the league in passer rating.

and that is WITHOUT a complete NFL TE

the wonger need food · 01-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiddy

Carr completed over 60% of his passes.
Carr threw for more than 1000 more yards then his previous career high. (11th in the league in passing yards)
Carr threw more TDs then INTs this season.
Carr was around 16th in the league in passer rating.

Yes, he established himself as an average QB this year.

Fiddy · 01-02-2005

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

Yes, he established himself as an average QB this year.

Were you expecting him to go to the Pro Bowl??? His 3rd year stats are very similar to Donovan McNabb's. (minus TD passes, McNabb had 25 that year)

the wonger need food · 01-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Fiddy

Were you expecting him to go to the Pro Bowl??? His 3rd year stats are very similar to Donovan McNabb's. (minus TD passes, McNabb had 25 that year)

No, I expected him to be an average QB. He is what he is.

TexansFan#80 · 01-02-2005

D was the only bright spot if you're talking about today's game...

AJ had a year to remember, but to also grow upon.

Carr, next season is make or break for him. I really like the guy, but it seems as though he just doesn't have the complete package to make it as a prolific NFL quarterback. Maybe it is because of his O-line, but then, he does make bonehead plays. For example, scrambling out of the pocket and runs out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away.

Defense came up huge this year. You can't take away the fact that the went 13 quarters w/o giving up a TD. I never saw that coming, and I don't think a lot of people did either.

IMO, we need to focus on the O-line and getting 1 good receiver. Jabar doesn't have the breakaway speed, Bradford is getting older, Armstrong has potential, but not there yet.

01-02-2005

How can our RB have the same amount of receptions as our 2nd and 3rd reciever combined? How can Billy Miller catch about 1 pass a game when he is not a blocking TE??? I said it once and I'll say it again, when your RB is your top reciever, you have no game. In the immortal words of Willy Wonka, "It's ALL there, black-and-white, clear as crystal!"

Gene Wilder,
"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"

BuffSoldier · 01-02-2005

Carr game stats

4 out of the first 7 games that the Texans played, Carr had a passer rateitng over 100. Dont you remember those days early this year when Carr was 2nd in the AFC in Passing? Oh yes those were the days with a healthy protecting offensive line. I belive that when given time Carr can be a top notch QB. Sure he makes dumb mistakes, just like every other QB in the league, excluding Peyton Manning, even Brett Farve throws ints to LBs while in his own redzone. but most teams have an offensive line that at least gives them a chance to get baxck in the game when the QBs messed up.

Carr couldnt even have a 3 step drop this game with out someone in his face, and thats pitiful.

I think if we can give Carr some time in the pocket that he can pick defenses apart. He has a Pro bowl WR, one of the best pass catching RBs in the NFL, one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, a speedster in Bradford, a good route runner in Gaff, and a young playmaker in Armstrong.

TexansFan#80 · 01-02-2005

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Originally Posted by BuffSoldier

Carr game stats

Carr couldnt even have a 3 step drop this game with out someone in his face, and thats pitiful.

I think if we can give Carr some time in the pocket that he can pick defenses apart. He has a Pro bowl WR, one of the best pass catching RBs in the NFL, one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, a speedster in Bradford, a good route runner in Gaff, and a young playmaker in Armstrong.

I will have to agree with you except for the remark about the TE. Billy Miller is not even close to being one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL. Not when you're averaging 1 maybe 2 catches a game.

jacquescas · 01-02-2005

teams have figured billy miller out. They know he is not going to be run blocking, so they have guys out to cover him. We need a dynamic TE who can at least block somewhat and be a good catching TE. Great examples are Ben Troupe, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Todd Heap, none are amazing blockers, all better than Billy Miller, and bigger targets. Billy Miller is almost just a big wide out, that is too slow.

Bubba Franks will be a free agent after this year, 26 years old, 6'5 265lbs, went to Miami (where AJ came from) and then spent 6 years playing with
Favre, so is used to catching the rocket passes.

If we get someone in the draft Heath Miller would be a nice pick or Alex Smith. If we want someone to be a blocker, lets sign Jason Peters to the practice squad or as a UFA, he was undrafted last year was the 6'5 320lb TE from Arkansas last year. Can be our blocking TE behind whomever.

**edo783** · 01-02-2005

Would love to get Bubba, but he is too important to the GB offense for them to let him get away.

Cheroqui · 01-02-2005

Well there's alot of talent, so many options but they just don't know how to use it. Hardly ever getting TE's into the game, and how long did it take for them to start going 3-4 wide and using shotgun for passing?... like the end of the year last 4/5 games or so.

01-02-2005	#1
TRAILERPARKBOYS Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Double D only bright spot Aside from DD the Texans have nothin going on for themselves - Carr is extremely inconsistent, the play calling is way too conservative and the O-line simply sucks. Davis had a phenomenal year - 1700 yards from scrimmage and 15 TD's is tremendous.... congrats to Domanick - a very under appreciated and underrated back who isn't flashy but gets the job done. Next year is make or break for Carr - if he does not improve on throwin only 15 TD's then he could end up a NFL backup. Maybe Carr will end up in the CFL up here in arctic Canada. Bubbles

01-02-2005	#2
edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	DD is underrated, but David will have a hard time doing any better without some sort of o-line improvement. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

01-02-2005	#3
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01-02-2005	#4
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,810 Rep Power: 40226	I think teams know that that if they double AJ .. Carr checks down to DD REALLY quickly and basically that is a running play and DD isn't going to break a long one. DD will get his yards but not enough of a threat to quit doubling Aj on running plays. see above and that is if the OL blocks __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

01-02-2005	#15
BuffSoldier Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Tha South Side of Screwston, Texas Age: 25 Posts: 1,929 Rep Power: 11	Carr game stats 4 out of the first 7 games that the Texans played, Carr had a passer rateitng over 100. Dont you remember those days early this year when Carr was 2nd in the AFC in Passing? Oh yes those were the days with a healthy protecting offensive line. I belive that when given time Carr can be a top notch QB. Sure he makes dumb mistakes, just like every other QB in the league, excluding Peyton Manning, even Brett Farve throws ints to LBs while in his own redzone. but most teams have an offensive line that at least gives them a chance to get baxck in the game when the QBs messed up. Carr couldnt even have a 3 step drop this game with out someone in his face, and thats pitiful. I think if we can give Carr some time in the pocket that he can pick defenses apart. He has a Pro bowl WR, one of the best pass catching RBs in the NFL, one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, a speedster in Bradford, a good route runner in Gaff, and a young playmaker in Armstrong. __________________ Pressure bust a pipe.

01-02-2005	#5
Tayton Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 148 Rep Power: 9	I know run blocking is different than pass blocking but Dominick had the same offensive line as Carr. I was a big Carr fan going into this season but I would have to say he was the biggest disappointment of the year. I expected a break out season and I know that the offensive line sucks but even when given time he made a lot of poor decisions with the football. I also think that next year will be a make or break year for Carr as well as the coaching staff.

01-02-2005	#7
the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	DD stepped up and played like a man the second half of the season. Of course when this happened the passing game dropped off. What a season of inconsistency.

01-02-2005	#13
TexansFan#80 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Copperfield Age: 34 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	D was the only bright spot if you're talking about today's game... AJ had a year to remember, but to also grow upon. Carr, next season is make or break for him. I really like the guy, but it seems as though he just doesn't have the complete package to make it as a prolific NFL quarterback. Maybe it is because of his O-line, but then, he does make bonehead plays. For example, scrambling out of the pocket and runs out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away. Defense came up huge this year. You can't take away the fact that the went 13 quarters w/o giving up a TD. I never saw that coming, and I don't think a lot of people did either. IMO, we need to focus on the O-line and getting 1 good receiver. Jabar doesn't have the breakaway speed, Bradford is getting older, Armstrong has potential, but not there yet.

01-02-2005	#14
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	How can our RB have the same amount of receptions as our 2nd and 3rd reciever combined? How can Billy Miller catch about 1 pass a game when he is not a blocking TE??? I said it once and I'll say it again, when your RB is your top reciever, you have no game. In the immortal words of Willy Wonka, "It's ALL there, black-and-white, clear as crystal!" Gene Wilder, "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"

01-02-2005	#17
jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 10	teams have figured billy miller out. They know he is not going to be run blocking, so they have guys out to cover him. We need a dynamic TE who can at least block somewhat and be a good catching TE. Great examples are Ben Troupe, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Todd Heap, none are amazing blockers, all better than Billy Miller, and bigger targets. Billy Miller is almost just a big wide out, that is too slow. Bubba Franks will be a free agent after this year, 26 years old, 6'5 265lbs, went to Miami (where AJ came from) and then spent 6 years playing with Favre, so is used to catching the rocket passes. If we get someone in the draft Heath Miller would be a nice pick or Alex Smith. If we want someone to be a blocker, lets sign Jason Peters to the practice squad or as a UFA, he was undrafted last year was the 6'5 320lb TE from Arkansas last year. Can be our blocking TE behind whomever.

01-02-2005	#19
Cheroqui Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NJ Age: 37 Posts: 149 Rep Power: 9	Well there's alot of talent, so many options but they just don't know how to use it. Hardly ever getting TE's into the game, and how long did it take for them to start going 3-4 wide and using shotgun for passing?... like the end of the year last 4/5 games or so. __________________ Only TexansFanNJ

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