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Old 01-03-2005   #61
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I think were booing Carr for some decisions he was making, but I also think the fans were getting frustrated.
The boos were unmistakeably and vehemently directed at Carr (the player) as he walked back on the field to try and salvage what he could from the disaster. The boos weren't directed at a failed play or a play call. They were directed at him. He's part of a bigger issue with the offense but he will naturally catch all the flak because he is the QB and a signature player of the franchise. People can boo all they want, but "great" fans don't kick their own when they're down in my opinion. But at least it shows they care, I guess.

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Old 01-03-2005   #62
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All I have to say after watching the tape of the game, the oline protected Carr on the first scoring drive and lo and behold he completed passes after that they really didn't give him time to throw. It's hard to complete passes when you don't have time to throw. Anyone who thinks this is on David Carr is just wrong and ignorant. Booing Carr is pathetic, the oline should be bood!!!!!!!! David has my respect the way he handled the situation. Pastorini and Moon have been bood in this town only to have the same people cheer for them later in their careers. Carr will be a great QB, just wait and see! Next year if we improve th line he will show you!
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If we had a more energized coach, he would have lined all of the o-line players up in the locker room at the half and told them all as it stands righ now you are all fired as of tonight, have a great second half.
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....Banks dumped it off to Davis for 5 yards. DD turned it into a 17 yard gain.
Dumping off to Davis is one of the biggest complaints on this board.
Yeah, I'm not so much saying who was passed to - I'm more talking about the 3 step drop and step up vs. the 5 step drop and head to the side. Though, it's hard to step up when your have a turnstyle and revolving door in front of you.

MichaelMC - interesting you brought that up... reminds me of what was seen on the sideline... I didn't see any kind of discussion among the offensive players till just before the last series when they huddled up on the sideline with the coach talking to them. Other than that, Carr was sitting on the table, some of the O-line was on one bench, McKinney siting by the kickers, recievers sitting on another bench... Is that something typical? (General question not, just for Mike.)

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I was at the game. Carr had no business being boo’d. The line was horrible. I usually dislike the play calling but how can you bash that. When you can’t even take a 1 ˝ step drop then the line is the only unit deserving of the boos.
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Yes, the offensive line stinks, but Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.

The guy gets rattled too easily for some reason. He is just not ready to be a great QB, plain and simple.
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the "trust" factor shows between Carr and the OL.. Carr has none (and rightfully so) with his OL..so he runs instead of stepping up around "his" guys
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My take: the fans who stayed probably had been drinking, very disappointed and the only way to show that is to boo whomever. The QB is always the main focus and thus David was the target. Houston worships this young man and I don't see any long-term damage done here. Next season, say we win 9 and get a wild card, no one will even remember this flop of a game. Let' stay focused: Go Texans! Our team! No. 1 now and forever

David gives it his all - but gets sacked SIX times. OL - heal thyself!
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David gives it his all - but gets sacked SIX times. OL - heal thyself!
I don't doubt his effort, but most of the sacks were his fault. He played very poorly yesterday.
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You know, I've been a fan of the Oilers/Texans for all the heartbreaking years, and as manny 4-12 and 3-13 seasons I have never booed my team. Houston fans are really bad loosers, and you would think that we should know how to loose gracefully. The fans in Houston seem to do what the media does. When the team does something good, it's always the Texans this the Texans that, but let them loose and it's Carr or the O-line, or the special teams, or the water boy spiked the gatorade cause he is from Jacksonville. No thats the wrong answer. It was a team game, so it's a team loss. The only bright spot was DD. I have this saying I made up. It goes like this: If your riding in a horse and carriage and the wheel breaks are you gonna shoot the horse? Well to many Houston fans are ready to shoot the horse, just ask Warren Moon he was booed for several years, and given death threats, but let him hit his wife and all of a sudden Houston embraces him. Now I loved Moon, but isn't that a little backwards? Just ranting at rants I guess!

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[quote=the wonger need food]Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.
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Ok lets think...........ok do you remember the play that he got hurt on.....yea the one he stepped up in the pocket and got drilled. seems running is the best thing. now I have noticed since the chicago game that he always moves right? strange?
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Ok lets think...........ok do you remember the play that he got hurt on.....yea the one he stepped up in the pocket and got drilled. seems running is the best thing. now I have noticed since the chicago game that he always moves right? strange?
The last sack was the exception.
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I don't doubt his effort, but most of the sacks were his fault. He played very poorly yesterday.
Yes. David had a bad day. Thank goodness he has had marvelous days as well. Again, this is a blip on the big radar screen. We are disappointed, but next year, and we will play the fourth year in the NFL, good things are going to happen. 4 wins 5 wins 7 wins ... 9 or 10 next year? I'm an eternal optimist, I think.
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Yes, the offensive line stinks, but Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.

The guy gets rattled too easily for some reason. He is just not ready to be a great QB, plain and simple.

So, you seem to have a boner for Carr, but just exactly how would you solve the problems of the team?
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Pretty good thread.

For the most part, Houston fans are regarded as being classy and who are known for their football knowledge. IMO, those boos showed the complete opposite. Sure the fans are frustrated and caught up in the heat of the moment, and they've been drinking, but any knowledgeable fan understands it's the O-line that needs to get the boos.
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I was disappointed with the booing also! NFL fans in general are very brutal! Our expectations were very high yesterday, and Capers laid a bomb on us from the very beginning. Midfield, 4-1, against a crappy Brown's team, and he punts. I could just feel the mood change! Everyone was so upbeat, excited, optimistic, and then BAM he throws another one of his conservative calls at us. I could just sense the anger and frustration from so many of the fans after that call. I believe everyone was just hoping our coaching staff would let the entire team play for the fans, after all, it was fan appreciation day. I don't know what they were trying to prove, the coaches, but, all they did was tick everyone off just a little more. We had nothing to lose by allowing David an opportunity to open up his game, throw some long balls, try some new stuff, anything to make the game exciting. All we got was another crappy called game! TWO completed passes to a pro-bowler! That stinks!! If you want to BOOOOOOO anyone, boo the coaches, not David Carr. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve criticism, when criticism is due, but, he didn't deserve it yesterday. JMO!
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What ? Did you want to see David killed ?
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Without reading all this- I think it's your right to boo. But why boo Carr? Not like it was his fault?!?!?!

If you're gonna' boo, boo the play calling, pass protection, etc, etc.

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The last sack was the exception.
Not exactly. He got flushed from the inside by crossing stunts or and outside to inside move by the right end. I guess that is why I agreed that he should have moved to the left. But either way the presure came from the inside much of the time.
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The only people who should be booed on this ball club is the coaches....................... They are bad and that's all there is to it. This ball club is going nowhere until they leave. Qb gets sacked more than any other in the league again this season............................. What do you expect?
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