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Old 01-02-2005   #1
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Bottom Line....this is a losing team. This is the 3rd year for a franchise with a supposedly outstanding QB, a great training facility, a great owner, a great city to pull in fans from and the list goes on. So why are there so many bleeding hearts out there saying " we made progress". Baloney! We regressed as a team and the playcalling was atrocious. Would you have put Carr back in after pulling him on that 4th quarter sack??? Remember the game when Carr was clearly hurt and "Dumb" Capers put Carr back in only to be humiliated. What Capers seems to be proving is one thing to one person. He is sticking with Carr because he is "behind him".
Winning coaches make tough decisions and sometimes that means benching your future star mid-season, mid-game---whatever. This is a coach who looks baffled by the paycalling, is heard to be challenging offensive calls but yet not reacting to fix them , and is still losing. Capers is a mediocre coach. Period. If the fans want "progress" every year then I am all for it, but I don't think most are for "progress" if that word follows a hollow , inconsistent result. Losing is losing and 3 years running and still looking like an expansion team is unacceptable to this season ticket holder. I can only hope we as fans don't develop the same apathetic reaction Capers elicits and I hope we start calling for a change---at the top. Fire "Dumb" Capers!!!!!!!!!!
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Watch yourself cmiller. Telling the truth is not very popular around here.
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Amen brotha. Look out though, there are a lot of apologists on this board who are happy with a losing season and looking like an expansion team. At least you didn't call out D Carr or there would be hell to pay. Remember, the guy is practically in the HOF already.

I agree, there was very little if any "progress" this year. Too many emberrassing loses. Too much inconsistency. Too many uninpsired efforts.

Today's loss was unacceptable on every level.
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what a great idea! establish a thread specifically for every board member who suddenly has no faith in this team to express their disgust without being a downer for the rest of us...

cry. cry to your hearts content.
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Give me a break! Total lack of objectivity on your part! They clearly improved over their first two seasons. Definately need to improve their offensive line and their pass rush!
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Give me a break! Total lack of objectivity on your part! They clearly improved over their first two seasons. Definately need to improve their offensive line and their pass rush!
They did not "clearly improve". The stats were slightly better and they had 2 more wins, but they were more inconsistent, less motivated and less prepared. They also lost to the worst team in the NFL. That's not definitive improvement.
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The only level of "improvement" that the Texans have had the past 2 seasons can only be attributed to the increase in talent and depth on the team, not the system actually working. Losing is losing. By 1 point or 40 points, 12 games a year or 9 games a year. It is well below what they are capable of and has always been. A good coach gets the best out of his players not just a respectable effort. Its the NFL where fans pay $40+ a ticket to watch a game, not peewee football, where your parents are proud of you for trying. There is nothing wrong with fans demanding more than what we have gotten so far.
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allow me to reiterate a post you choose to ignore on another thread (and let me remind you it was after calling everyone with an ounce of optimism ignorant about football...you also said we were in denial ):




what goals did you set for this team this year? winning record? playoffs? superbowl?

if your looking for a perinial playoff team and or a superbowl winning dynasty then your in denial. we still have lots of "expansion talent".

if you dont think 5-11 vs 7-9 is progress then your in denial (as well as mathmatically inept).

if you dont think a sweep of the jags and titans is progress then your in denial.

if you dont think remaining in honest playoff contention till mid november is progress then your in denial.

if you dont think continually adding young players who are begining to pan out (namely johnson and robinson) wont pay dividens in the near future your in denial.

if you think being 7-9 is going to have a major impact on how well we finish next year your in denial.

if you want to b*tch and moan about ticket prices going up. dont buy them. save them for a fan who might actually cheer.
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Thx for the reply but I would never take the rebuttal of a fellow who can't spell "definitely".
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The Texans improvement cannot be disputed. In wins and statistics they improved. Those numbers cannot be argued because they are what they are.

The complaining is a direct result of their improvement because they didn't improve to a level that meets the expectations they themselves created by continuing to get better.

If they improve by two more games next season and end it 9-7 are there going to be complaints? Will there be complaints if that 9-7 doesn't get them into postseason play?

They were inconsistent this year. Guess what? That's a mark of a team on the verge. Teams on the verge of breaking out and turning a corner are inconsistent. Teams on the verge of slipping down from being good are also inconsistent. If the Texans were finishing up 7-9 after years of 11-5 and 12-4 then I'd say this inconsistency was a bad sign. Instead they're following 4-12 and 5-11 years.

They're on the rise not the decline. Upset the wagon now and you aren't going to be getting that 9-7 or 10-6 next year. You're going to be looking at 6-10 or 5-11. Fire everyone, replace a bunch of linemen and start over if you want to. Better yet leave this team alone and follow the Browns because that's the result of the kind of change most posters are advocating.
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allow me to reiterate a post you choose to ignore on another thread (and let me remind you it was after calling everyone with an ounce of optimism ignorant about football...you also said we were in denial ):




what goals did you set for this team this year? winning record? playoffs? superbowl?

if your looking for a perinial playoff team and or a superbowl winning dynasty then your in denial. we still have lots of "expansion talent".

if you dont think 5-11 vs 7-9 is progress then your in denial (as well as mathmatically inept).

if you dont think a sweep of the jags and titans is progress then your in denial.

if you dont think remaining in honest playoff contention till mid november is progress then your in denial.

if you dont think continually adding young players who are begining to pan out (namely johnson and robinson) wont pay dividens in the near future your in denial.

if you think being 7-9 is going to have a major impact on how well we finish next year your in denial.

if you want to b*tch and moan about ticket prices going up. dont buy them. save them for a fan who might actually cheer.
1.) Compete in every game. Beat the teams you're supposed to beat and win a few against good teams.
2.) At least get a system in place that can accomplish this in a few years.
3.) Progress can't be measured by wins and losses alone.
4.) Sweeping the Jags and Tacks was a moral victory, not necessarily progress.
5.) Practically every team is in playoff contention in November.
6.) What's your point here? Of course you want to add young talent.
7.) Hopefully next season will not reflect this season in any way. They still looked like an expansion team this year.
8.) Ticket prices will continue to rise before they decline. To not ***** about it would be un-American.
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Thx for the reply but I would never take the rebuttal of a fellow who can't spell "definitely".
The spelling police. Last bastion of the poster who doesn't have a real response.
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As of yet I am unaware of anyone being forced to purchase tickets. If the ticket prices go up and you don't like it, don't buy them. It's a business.

Sweeping Tennessee and Jacksonville while going 4-2 in the division isn't a moral victory. That's a 3 game improvement in a tough division.

I've yet to see an expansion team become a perennial playoff performer in their 3rd year. I'd rather the Texans continue to build a solid team rather than go for a quick payoff and then 10 years of ineptitude.

I'm as frustrated with today's game as anyone, but does anyone really think it would make a difference towards next season if they won today? The same problems will still be addressed (hopefully). Casserly and company have upgraded the talent level of the team each year and there is no reason to think they won't again. This isn't MLB where they can just pick up the most expensive players each year and buy a win. Ask Redskin fan if that approach works in the NFL. The Patriots are the model to look at to build an outstanding football team. A couple of solid contributors each year and maintain salary cap flexibility.
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This is all pretty entertaining considering the euphoria last week - and now the venom, hate and despair. Who could have imagined a win over the Browns could have been so important? Yes, 8-8 would have been nice and the ineptitude of the offense today was about as frustrating as it gets but big picture this season was far from a failure
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1.) Compete in every game. Beat the teams you're supposed to beat and win a few against good teams.
2.) At least get a system in place that can accomplish this in a few years.
3.) Progress can't be measured by wins and losses alone.
4.) Sweeping the Jags and Tacks was a moral victory, not necessarily progress.
5.) Practically every team is in playoff contention in November.
6.) What's your point here? Of course you want to add young talent.
7.) Hopefully next season will not reflect this season in any way. They still looked like an expansion team this year.
8.) Ticket prices will continue to rise before they decline. To not ***** about it would be un-American.

-every team competes in every game....otherwise they wouldnt play games.

-our offense didnt rank in the top 10 for at least half the season and improve as a whole from last year? thats progress. its not going to happen overnight.

-playoff apperances are made based on winning records. better winning records are progress

-sweeping afc south competition is progress. that counts for 6 games a season and a chief obsticle to the playoffs.

-not just young talent. talent on the way to the pro bowl and talent about to win a second consecutive rookie award.

-they did look like an expansion team at times this year. what did you expect? for the first time however they also resembled a legitimate nfl team for brief times

-if you know prices are going up why question it? dont use "its the american way" as an excuse to promote your sour opinion. you want to express your opinon to the team? a. dont buy tickets b. root for a diffrent team
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As of yet I am unaware of anyone being forced to purchase tickets. If the ticket prices go up and you don't like it, don't buy them. It's a business.

Sweeping Tennessee and Jacksonville while going 4-2 in the division isn't a moral victory. That's a 3 game improvement in a tough division.

I've yet to see an expansion team become a perennial playoff performer in their 3rd year. I'd rather the Texans continue to build a solid team rather than go for a quick payoff and then 10 years of ineptitude.

I'm as frustrated with today's game as anyone, but does anyone really think it would make a difference towards next season if they won today? The same problems will still be addressed (hopefully). Casserly and company have upgraded the talent level of the team each year and there is no reason to think they won't again. This isn't MLB where they can just pick up the most expensive players each year and buy a win. Ask Redskin fan if that approach works in the NFL. The Patriots are the model to look at to build an outstanding football team. A couple of solid contributors each year and maintain salary cap flexibility.
And if you don't like Bar-B-Q pits then don't buy Bar-B-Q pits, but if you choose to do so, then you have a right to expect that it not be an inferior product. You can't effect change without having a voice. There is nothing wrong with making a statement calling for the situation to improve. All of that said, it is still not anyone else's business whether I buy season tickets or not. It's not out of place for someone to complain about the product on the website of the product. Making excuses for the Texans won't help them one bit. I don't expect them to be a perennial power just yet, but I'm tired of leaving every game upset that they did not perform to the level that they are capable of. The division was not near as tough as it has been and the Titans were a terrible team this season. Beating the Jags was nice, but we've already done that. If you subtract the talent that the Texans added in the offseason, you'll find that the team did not improve one bit from last year to this. That is simply not an acceptable standard for a team with high expectations.
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why do i get the feeling your the type of guy to demand his money back for a quarter-pounder at mcdonalds because your burger should of had just one more piece of lettuce or your beverage needed more fizz.

service industry terrorist.

and i wonder...if the texans had won today would it make the bathrooms at reliant stadium any cleaner or the lines at the concessions any shorter?
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depends on the expectations of the bbq.. if you expect backstrap and get hindquarters.. well you still get deer,but not what you expected
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If you subtract the talent that the Texans added in the offseason, you'll find that the team did not improve one bit from last year to this. That is simply not an acceptable standard for a team with high expectations.
They did add pieces, though, and they improved. What high expectations? Whose expectations? None of the players, coaches, members of management, or the owner came out and said it was playoffs or bust. In fact if you look back at these forums very few fans had playoffs as their do or die goals for the year.

If I don't like my BBQ pit it's my choice if I don't want to do business with them again. If they raise the prices it's my choice to go somewhere else. The same as with a sports team. It's their choice what to set the ticket prices at.
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expectations...thats what its all about.

ever since the game 2-3 posters have been in here feverishly expressing their disgust in the texans. what i have yet to hear any of them say was what would have made them content. and what kind of record did you see us having at the begining of the season.

dont make me do some thread surfing to find your preseason win/loss expectations. if i need to i'll make a brand new thread dedicated to you guys.
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