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Old 01-03-2005   #21
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We changed 4 of the 6 line positions coming into this year. Don't look for wholesale changes.
Yea, Vinny, but not the right ones. As long as this team is coached by this group of coaches the Texans are going nowhere. They have had enough time to improve this ball club. The ball club has improved despite the coaching. Other ball clubs have linemen go down and seem to have an ability to replace them, but not us. Why hasn't a young man like Brown made any improvement? Why does McKinny remain at Center? The answer has to do with the coaching and style of coaching. I'm sorry, but the ansers are so obvious. No I did not watch the game yesterday, because I had other things to do, but the results did not surprise me since the Browns QB was going to be Holcumb. Certainly loosing Payne did not help, but our defense has been vulnerable when the other team has had a protected good passing QB. Certainly the loss of Peek probably also contributed to the problems of this team. However, I will point out how long did it take for the coaches to realize that Peek might help the cause of the ball club. This coaching staff is at best a mediocre one and that has stunted the growth of DD, AJ and Carr. Yes, AJ has made the pro bowl, but its not because of the coaching he got in Houston. When you take as your number 1 pick a top caliber QB and then never retain a line to protect him, there's some wrong somewhere. Carr is not the kind of guy to complain, but I listen to his interviews and read between the lines. I don't think he is a happy camper, but he's preaching the company line. Sorry, but Carr will never be anything, but average or less than average with this coaching staff.................................
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The whole left side needs to be re-worked.

David looks like a person that lives a nightmare snap to snap. You can almost see him worrying everytime he gets the ball.
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Major improvements need to be made to the inside of the line. The guys inside have no clue how to pass protect.
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Yea, Vinny, but not the right ones. As long as this team is coached by this group of coaches the Texans are going nowhere. They have had enough time to improve this ball club.
You do realize this is year 3 of an expansion team, don't you? They started this team from scratch. This team has come a long way in 3 years.
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The ball club has improved despite the coaching. Other ball clubs have linemen go down and seem to have an ability to replace them, but not us.
Uh... 3rd year of an expansion team. They would have had to hit on every pick they've made and won over every free agent they've pursued to have the talent to withstand injuries. Heck, most NFL teams don't have the ability to withstand injuries at key positions. Not every team is the New England Patriots -- and the Texans haven't quite had the time (or drafts) to become them.
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Why hasn't a young man like Brown made any improvement? Why does McKinny remain at Center? The answer has to do with the coaching and style of coaching. I'm sorry, but the ansers are so obvious.
Or maybe McKinney is just the best available option?
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No I did not watch the game yesterday, because I had other things to do, but the results did not surprise me since the Browns QB was going to be Holcumb. Certainly loosing Payne did not help, but our defense has been vulnerable when the other team has had a protected good passing QB. Certainly the loss of Peek probably also contributed to the problems of this team. However, I will point out how long did it take for the coaches to realize that Peek might help the cause of the ball club.
This staff knew Peek could help the team. That is why they supported drafting him. It has just taken Peek a while to get discipline his motor so he can be a full time player -- in other words, get his emotions under control so he can juggle his pass rushing, run stopping and pass coverage responsibilites versus what he currently does which is handle one responsibility at a time in specific situations. This was Peek's 2nd season. He is still learning to be a linebacker. I personally feel the situation with Peek not playing every down is a combination of Peek not yet being ready for full time duty and the staff giving Wong a shot at ROLB before the team kicks Wong to the curb or permanently moves him inside. Don't worry, the coaching staff is bringing him along. And it looks like Wong is gonna be the one who pays the price.
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This coaching staff is at best a mediocre one and that has stunted the growth of DD, AJ and Carr. Yes, AJ has made the pro bowl, but its not because of the coaching he got in Houston. When you take as your number 1 pick a top caliber QB and then never retain a line to protect him, there's some wrong somewhere. Carr is not the kind of guy to complain, but I listen to his interviews and read between the lines. I don't think he is a happy camper, but he's preaching the company line. Sorry, but Carr will never be anything, but average or less than average with this coaching staff.................................
Again, the team just completed year 3 of their existence. Look at the Cleveland Browns. That is what an inept front office and coaching staff produces. This is not an inept group. Yes, the team has been frustratingly inconsistent and the line play has been horrendous. If the team doesn't make moves to address that this offseason, then you have valid criticism. For now, this is all too premature. Let's see what they do with the 3rd draft in franchise history before we start lopping off heads left and right.

Next season, IMO, is the big test. On offense: 4th year for Carr. AJ should be experienced enough to be put in motion, sent across the field and even play the slot from time to time. Bradford is gone, but Gaffney and Armstrong will take his place. Wand is in 2nd year. Pitts just completed his first year at the position he was drafted to play. Wade just had his first year with the new guys. Hopefully, the second year in the zone scheme will help the Oline. More hopefully, Pendry's second year as the guard and center coach will produce better results than his first year did. Moreover, other than chemistry on the Oline, I think an all-around TE will help this team more than any of us can imagine (assuming Carr will throw him the ball). A big strong TE who can block and catch will do both Carr and DD good.

On defense: Smith is in his second year in the system. Babin has the first year down and should break out since he has learned the system on the fly. Earl has been broken in. Robinson is Robinson. The big concern here is that guys are getting old, especially on the Dline, and we need a youngster to develop at ILB next to Sharper -- someone Sharper can tutor and bring along.

The challenge: While the defense needs an infusion of youth in the front seven and a young, bonafied pass rushing, playmaking, linebacking freak; the Oline and TE positions could use serious help, too. And free agency doesn't cure all ills.

I'm not worried, though. Its been fun watching this team grow. The Oline may improve from year 3 to 4 as tehy did from year 1 to 2. That would be excellent. I just hope that, after 3 years of poundings, David Carr isn't broken.
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I think the coaching staff gets ready for the game day with the thought in mind of a young team. Looking at the strengths of the other team and plays that would focus on the weakness of the opponent. They do not practice anything but. So when it fails they have nothing to fall on their whole plan has failed. You know I have heard of this before and it always gets my goat to hear Capers giving them a day off after a good game. Come on that is what they are suppose to do. The coaches need to wake up. Its not the players or talent. Its the need to let them free. Let loose and let the team get the confidence they need. Also Capers try not to look so lost on the side line when something goes wrong. Your on T.V. so close your mouth and dont pull your pants so high up to your chest. How about a little aggression to fire things up a little.
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You do realize this is year 3 of an expansion team
I'm not worried, though. Its been fun watching this team grow. The Oline may improve from year 3 to 4 as tehy did from year 1 to 2. That would be excellent. I just hope that, after 3 years of poundings, David Carr isn't broken.
I do realize this is only our third year. I think lots of people were expecting better. I was glad we won 7 games (a littl eupset we didn't get to 8 we should have). The three year plan is for a coach coming into a team that has been around for a while (like mariucchi in Detroit). An expansion team is expected to be more consistent year 3, But year 4 is the year for expansion ball clubs. Personally I think and have said next year will be the year. I did really enjoy watching this team even though they were inconsistent. However the O-line regressed terribly and I'm very worried about that, we have had time to find some decent lineman and it hasn't worked out. Hopefully this year it will be addressed. I too hope Carr is not broken this guy can be something special if he's not damaged.
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What team are you people watching? The Texans offensive line has been like a seive all season. Carr had linebackers in his face all season. Even Dominick Davis got lousy blocking. Ask yourselves this question. Would you trust that offensive line to protect your girlfriend? I sure wouldn't.
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I'll be surprised if the Texans don't have 3 new starters on the O-line next year, counting the TE position.

Wait, replace "surprised" with "disappointed".
So you're saying TE(neither Miller or Breuner starts), and C (McKinney) and who would the third player be ?
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So you're saying TE(neither Miller or Breuner starts), and C (McKinney) and who would the third player be ?
I think Wiegert & Wand are also on the hot seat. Both will be challenged in training camp.
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Wand played better then Pitts did his first season, and since they didn't bring anyone in to challenge him (pitts) why would they cahallenge Wand. IMO there is only one OT that might challenge for a starting spot here, that's D'Brickashaw (great football name) Fergueson; and either he won't declare or will be gone by the time we pick.
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Wand played better then Pitts did his first season, and since they didn't bring anyone in to challenge him (pitts) why would they cahallenge Wand.
Well, I hate to bring up an old wound. But, Boselli worked at LT during mini camp in '03 and Pitts was at RT. When Tony retired just prior to training camp, Pitts went back to LT. Had the Texans known Boselli couldn't make it back, they would've tried to bring in another LT.

Pitts was credited with 15.5 sacks allowed his rookie season. Wand allowed 12.5 sacks this season. Better? Maybe, but not good enough to go unchallenged into camp. Pitts made improvement in his 2nd year at LT. So could Wand, but I don't think the Texans will go into the offseason just assuming he will.
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The fact remains that the team didn't brign anybody in to cahllenge Pitts after his first year at LT (Boselli was still a question mark, but the didn't even have a back-up challenger to Pitts. And nobody was a 100% sure Boselli was good to go; In fact most were sure he wasn't good to go)

But I'll ask again who do you get, either FA or draft, that will challenge Wand? Saying that the team has to do something drastic, but then havinf no idea as to waht they should do is a bit unfair.
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The fact remains that the team didn't brign anybody in to cahllenge Pitts after his first year at LT (Boselli was still a question mark, but the didn't even have a back-up challenger to Pitts. And nobody was a 100% sure Boselli was good to go; In fact most were sure he wasn't good to go)

But I'll ask again who do you get, either FA or draft, that will challenge Wand? Saying that the team has to do something drastic, but then havinf no idea as to waht they should do is a bit unfair.
You are not going to sign a proven Tackle for a lot of money and not start him. You either feel good about Wand's development or you bring somebody in to replace him (or at least feel that he is good enough to replace him based on your evaulation). Other than sign a high priced Tackle the Texans have brought in many bodies over the years and tried them out. They gave the highest signing bonuses to undrafted FA's the last two years running to guys with potential on the O line. Brad Lekkerkerker received the highest signing bonuses of any undrafted free agent last season and he didn't make the team. There are only a few available roster spots and our back up LT is Chester Pitts.
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...In fact most were sure he wasn't good to go)...
Like I said, I'd rather not re-live the Boselli affair. But, Tony re-worked his deal in the offseason & received a roster bonus. Participated in full drills in the May mini camps. And Pitts worked at RT. I don't see why the Texans would waste the time & money on Boselli, if they knew for a "fact" that Boselli couldn't go. What is a fact is that the Texans never drafted Pitts to play LT, and he was always a stop gap.

I could speculate on what direction the Texans might go in looking for LT competition. But since the season isn't over, I don't know who will be franchised or not, who will be released in salary cap dumps, what underclassmen are coming out, who might be available when the Texans select, or even if they move up or down in the draft order.

When some of these events are closer, I might take a guess. What I am predicting is that the Texans aren't just going to sit back and hope that Wand gets better. That doesn't mean I think they've given up on Seth, just that there's no more room for guesswork.
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Like I said, I'd rather not re-live the Boselli affair. But, Tony re-worked his deal in the offseason & received a roster bonus. Participated in full drills in the May mini camps. And Pitts worked at RT. I don't see why the Texans would waste the time & money on Boselli, if they knew for a "fact" that Boselli couldn't go. What is a fact is that the Texans never drafted Pitts to play LT, and he was always a stop gap.
I was always under the impression that Tony reworking his deal saved the team money, because both parties knew that it was no or never for him to return? And I know that Pitts was brought into play LG intial, but I also thought he performed quite well given the situation. And if we're going to upgrade the O-line I can think of two positions I'm more worried about then LT; C and RT respectivly.

I quess I'm in the minority for seeing some progress/potential in Wand. Running to the left was this team's best option last year, he played decently in pass protection (all rookie/young first time starters get abused by the better DEs) and has the best footwork of all the O-line.

But then again, maybe this is all just me.
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Yea, with McNair saying on a post season TV appearance that they are going to get Carr some protection following a very sour performance by the Oline to protect DC, I guess Todd Wade is the only guy who's job is probably secure. If Carr doesn't have time to pass the ball to AJ, that takes McNair's 2 biggest investments not contributing to the Offense as intended. And after all, the Chargers just made it to the playoffs with an Oline that included 3 guys that wern't even on the team beffore this year (1 FA & 2 rookies), so the Texans should be able to shake things up on the Oline in the offseason and still have a successful '05 season if the Chargers can.
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Boselli agreed to a restructure in February 2003 that lowered his cap number by $3.85 million. He was scheduled to earn a $4.5 million base for '03 but they adjusted his base down to a veteran minimum of 650k and added a boatload of incentives which were never realized. He received a $2 million roster bonus in March '03. Before the restructure, Boselli's number was going to be over 9 million. I forget the exact amount but the Texans took his entire cap hit in '03 when he was released. I think it was somewhere in the 'hood of 6 mill.

As far as our OL, I'd like to see a couple of young bucks drafted to push guys like McKinney and Wiegert. I'm not sure Milford will ever be a full time starter, Washington is a career backup and Weary is missing in action. I think Wand will be better next year and Pitts has been one of our most consistent (good and versatile) OLs since Day 1. It's not all talent, or lack of. The coaches need to put these guys in situations where they can succeed. Protection for Carr and a pass rush our the two most glaring needs for next season.

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I'm so sick of people saying give the line time. We've drafted guys and signed guys. People say we switched to the zone blocking give them time. It's been a year now and in the last game the line was the worst it's been all year and one of the worst perfromances in franchise history. Absolutely unacceptable. This line is pathetic at pass blocking and mediocre run blocking. Davis made every yard today (and alot of them in JAX). He always had to get away from someone behind the line of scrimmage to get his yards. Anyone who says they need time is full of it and is kidding themselves. Changes need to be made on this line, it's killing the growth of our 3 great young players. DD has won me over and I've always been sold on AJ and Carr
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year 1 76 sacks
year 2 36 sacks
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2002 16 16 444 233 52.5 2592 5.84 81 9 15 76/411 31 5 62.8
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2004 Houston Texans 15 15 77 1129 14.7 54 6 18 3 53
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Yes, the line is pathetic. But who's to blame? Who's blowing the assignments? You certainly don't know -- only the coaches do. And the offensive line coach might be the real culprit since it's his job to get these guys to work together. It's obvious there is a huge, huge problem here. The only problem is -- what do you fix? If the problem is an individual or individuals, then it is the coach's job to find it out. If it's a problem with the offensive line coach and you get rid of an individual, you've made the wrong fix and it will take another period of time for those folks to learn to work together. The offensive line is the toughest thing to fix since there's so many folks involved and so much to take into account.
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I was watching the NFL Today today, and they were talking about the Colts defense and how much they have changed over the season. And of course when they were talking about them they should highlights, and I think about half of those highlights was Carr getting sacked by one of the Colts. Now doesn't that tell you something?

Wand and Pitts are staying. I see talent in Wand, he just needs time to develop it. Pitts made the transition from LT to LG, and while doing that had to learn the new zone blocking scheme. I can see how he had some trouble. Going from Dwight Freewney to Josh Henderson is no easy transition.

McKinny and Weighert is our biggest problems. McKinny allows to much to come up from the middle, especailly if there is a nose tackle, and if Weighert isn't hurt all the time, he is making some bonehead play. Either get a FA in here or draft a rookie to compete.

Another thing, maybe our coaching has to change as well. I think in the Browns game I heard the CBS guy say that he saw Billy Miller blocking Kenard Lang on a pass play, and Lang got the sack. Now how smart is that?
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i'm sure that casserly and all involved will bring in the right players that will help this team succed next season. They have done a good job thus far and this will be an impoved line by next year !
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