Schaub out for a month

[J-Russ]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

You've gone on and on calling Shaub this great QB for the franchise and the future. How are you all of a sudden that quick off of his band wagon? Wow.

Because he is injured... again. He looks destined to be an injury-prone player, so why would I want to extend his option and make him the highest pay player for us? He has all the tools to succedd as a QB under Kubiak, his only downfall is being injury-prone, which obviously I wasn't expecting this season. I thought last season injury was just a down year for him.... oh boy, am I changed man.

Basically, minus injury, Schaub is a QB that I am comfortable having lead our team. But it doesn't look like we can rely on him to stay healthy enough to lead us to where we want to go.

[buddyboy]

And then on the last drive of the Vikings game, we had a shot to come back, but instead Sage stood there in the pocket like a statue and got sacked twice in a row.

Matt would do himself wonders if he could move around in the pocket better...

On that strip sack that Allen had, Schaub could've avoided it if he had just stepped up a bit and let Duane continue to push him upfield...

Easier said than done tho'

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.

It's not like that one game was against Sage's norm, and I don't mean just his play here in Hoston. In case you didn't know, and I'm assuming you don't, Sage was also given every chance to win the starting job in Miami before coming to Houston. Any guesses as to how that turned out? When Minnestoa offered a draft pick for Sage, I was shocked that there were any teams left in the NFL who thought he good be a started in this league.

I prefer Schaub becuase he I think he has potential that he has yet to meet, unlike Sage who I don't think will get any better. Also you are right that I like Matt over Sage bacause Kubiak called him the starter after a gold game, and so should you; unless you think you know more then the HC.

And please drop the all bolded posts. It's only slighly less annoying then the all caps post.

[Porky]

Originally Posted by J-Russ

Sage is a mental midget. If the Colts game wasn't enough to prove that, then his own play-calling from yesterday that resulted in a endzone int should.

Yup. Let's see 3rd and less than one at the 18. I know, I'll call a play to throw a low percentage pass into the endzone with double coverage instead of handing the ball off, or thowing a dink pass. Ya, that's a brilliant call Sage. He has a future as an OC after that brilliant deductive reasoning.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

I can point to several games, including the one this past Sunday, when Sage has made expensive turnovers by forcing plays. Schaub's interception Sunday, was an underthrown pass, caused by throwing off an injured leg. Sage's was trying to force a play and throwing into tight double coverage. What about last year's Titan's game? Yes, Sage brought us back to an almost miraculous comeback - but he got us into a deep hole in the first place with interceptions. Sage seems very prone to brain farts, he will move the ball - but he will make stupid mistakes. I think that is what most of the Sage naysayers see - preventable mistakes. Do NOT fool yourself into thinking there is only ONE game Sage has thrown away - literally.

Maybe I should bold this so you can understand it.

I never said that Sage was a savior or the team's franchise QB. He runs the offense more efficiently though. He can make more plays against the tougher defenses. I notice it every single time he goes in there.

I really don't think Sage or Shaub is much better than the other depending on who you really think is better or worse. They are both back ups. The point is that Shaub going down right now really doesn't hurt the team. Our offense will look the same with Sage if not maybe a LITTLE better, but not a lot. So this isn't that big of a deal.

And no I wouldn't agree with your points if they were bolded. It's hilarious that guys like you still try using that as an argument against my posts when you've not nothing else. Get lost.

[NBT]

Hey, Sage played pretty dang well in support of Matt last year, and was the major reason we ended up 8-8. Why all the negativity? Yes, he made a mistake. Name one Texan this year who hasn't other than Mario? And just think of these wonderful coaching jobs that have been done (or should I say undone?) Some of the schemes absolutely sucked!

Originally Posted by Porky

Yup. Let's see 3rd and less than one at the 18. I know, I'll call a play to throw a low percentage pass into the endzone with double coverage instead of handing the ball off, or thowing a dink pass. Ya, that's a brilliant call Sage. He has a future as an OC after that brilliant deductive reasoning.

Is that why Gibbs was all over him ?

[JWarren14]

PUT IN THE FUTURE.....

ALEX BRINK!!!!

Just kidding....kinda

What about the wildcat with Owen Daniels in the gun with JJ and AJ on the outside a little fake to Steve and a triple reverse with OD pitching to AJ who pitches to JJ for a TD.

Tennessee - AJ catches a pass or two in the endzone WIN
Jacksonville- Stop Garrard on several occasions WIN
Indianapolis - No Rosencopter WIN
Minnesota - No picks just settle for field goals and Bennett holds on WIN

We have players and coaches who will get us in position to win, but not anyone who will make plays to WIN the game. Its looking pretty bad right now, we cant win on the road so thats at least 3 more losses if we lose to the Raiders I will be sick, .500 or a winning season is not looking good. It's almost a given that if Schaub is going to play any above average D-Line where he gets pressure he is going to A) Get Hurt or B) Get Hurt and turn the ball over, either way he is getting hurt. Oh well at least the Dynamo are in the playoffs and the Rockets are still unbeaten. Im going to start researching for the draft. The only thing I have to look forward to is the Tailgate of the year competition @ the Bears game.

[awtysst]

What we need on offense is a David Garrard or Jeff Garcia type of QB. Basically a guy that runs the offense, makes the short necessary West Coast types of passes but can stretch the field when necessary. We need a guy that doesn't take sacks, doesn't throw risky passes, but instead manages the game efficiently. Thats the guy we need. When healthy, Schaub can be that guy. Unfortunately it seems that he cant stay healthy.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

It's not like that one game was against Sage's norm, and I don't mean just his play here in Hoston. In case you didn't know, and I'm assuming you don't, Sage was also given every chance to win the starting job in Miami before coming to Houston. Any guesses as to how that turned out? When Minnestoa offered a draft pick for Sage, I was shocked that there were any teams left in the NFL who thought he good be a started in this league.

I prefer Schaub becuase he I think he has potential that he has yet to meet, unlike Sage who I don't think will get any better. Also you are right that I like Matt over Sage bacause Kubiak called him the starter after a gold game, and so should you; unless you think you know more then the HC.

And please drop the all bolded posts. It's only slighly less annoying then the all caps post.

Shaub has had some great games and then quite a few bad ones. He can't stay healthy. THAT, he has proven. Sage is just as good as Shaub. And you expect me to believe Shaub is the guy just because Kubiak thinks so, even though he was afraid of making Shaub compete for the job? Lol! Sorry buddy, but I'm not sold on Kubiak either and neither are a lot of people.

And the bold posts will stay as I mentioned before. They are no different than yours. Pathetic how you try and use that instead of the argument. I've been here for months and I haven't changed it for any of you whiners, so don't think it will now either.

[imatexan]

NOOOOOOOOO! Well that changes everything.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Shaub has had some great games and then quite a few bad ones. He can't stay healthy. THAT, he has proven. Sage is just as good as Shaub. And you expect me to believe Shaub is the guy just because Kubiak thinks so, even though he was afraid of making Shaub compete for the job? Lol! Sorry buddy, but I'm not sold on Kubiak either and neither are a lot of people.

And the bold posts will stay as I mentioned before. They are no different than yours. Pathetic how you try and use that instead of the argument. I've been here for months and I haven't changed it for any of you whiners, so don't think it will now either.

LOL. I am thrilled that you are on this board.

You don't capitulate. Good for you.

8th game of the year, the midpoint of the season, and we are (drum roll, please) right back where we were last season: Watching Schaub as he watches from the sideline.

Man, I didn't see this one coming.

The QB situation is like a boxing match: One second, one guy is going down. The next second, he's back up and hammering on the other guy. Back and forth, back and forth. And neither of the QBs can seal the deal on locking the starter position up.

QB is now THE need on this team. No doubt about it.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by awtysst

What we need on offense is a David Garrard or Jeff Garcia type of QB. Basically a guy that runs the offense, makes the short necessary West Coast types of passes but can stretch the field when necessary. We need a guy that doesn't take sacks, doesn't throw risky passes, but instead manages the game efficiently. Thats the guy we need. When healthy, Schaub can be that guy. Unfortunately it seems that he cant stay healthy.

I'm frankly relieved that he is injured. It looked to me like he just had a bruise and was limping around like a baby, using it as an excuse. He took two pretty good shots by Jared Allen on the knee, so I don't know that this confirms that he is too fragile- though it does continue the concern.

By the way, how neither of those were called penalties is beyond me- particularly the second one where he was hit high and low clearly very late.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

the Texans cut both Boyd/Brink when setting roster to final 52. then a few weeks ago they resigned Alex to the practice squad, not sure if Shane Boyd was eligible?

I will say a couple things, Alex knows the offense & I beleive he can manage a more run orientated variation of the ZBS. Now we'll really get to see how good this coaching staff is at adapting to circumstances

Boyd was eligible, but as you say, the Texans chose to go with Brink.

Last year when we were in the same situation (Schaub out for a few games, and no QB on the active roster other than Sage), we brought in Boyd - a street free agent whose only previous experience with the Texans was as the opposing QB in a preseason game. When we signed him, Boyd had never played a down in an NFL regular season game (still hasn't for that matter).

Given the circumstances are pretty similar, and it's pretty clear the Texans prefer Brink over Boyd, I'd imagine that we'll see Brink added to the active roster this week. My guess for the guy who will make room is N.D. Kalu - other possibilities are Breuner and Studdard.

[GlassHalfFull]

Lets recap:

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

I can point to several games, including the one this past Sunday, when Sage has made expensive turnovers by forcing plays. Schaub's interception Sunday, was an underthrown pass, caused by throwing off an injured leg. Sage's was trying to force a play and throwing into tight double coverage. What about last year's Titan's game? Yes, Sage brought us back to an almost miraculous comeback - but he got us into a deep hole in the first place with interceptions. Sage seems very prone to brain farts, he will move the ball - but he will make stupid mistakes. I think that is what most of the Sage naysayers see - preventable mistakes. Do NOT fool yourself into thinking there is only ONE game Sage has thrown away - literally.

Maybe I should bold this so you can understand it.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I never said that Sage was a savior or the team's franchise QB. He runs the offense more efficiently though. He can make more plays against the tougher defenses. I notice it every single time he goes in there.

I really don't think Sage or Shaub is much better than the other depending on who you really think is better or worse. They are both back ups. The point is that Shaub going down right now really doesn't hurt the team. Our offense will look the same with Sage if not maybe a LITTLE better, but not a lot. So this isn't that big of a deal.

And no I wouldn't agree with your points if they were bolded. It's hilarious that guys like you still try using that as an argument against my posts when you've not nothing else. Get lost.

I was responding directly to your saying that Sage only played badly in one game. Stay on point and don't change arguments in mid stream.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by GP

LOL. I am thrilled that you are on this board.

You don't capitulate. Good for you.

8th game of the year, the midpoint of the season, and we are (drum roll, please) right back where we were last season: Watching Schaub as he watches from the sideline.

Man, I didn't see this one coming.

The QB situation is like a boxing match: One second, one guy is going down. The next second, he's back up and hammering on the other guy. Back and forth, back and forth. And neither of the QBs can seal the deal on locking the starter position up.

QB is now THE need on this team. No doubt about it.

Couldn't have explained it any better GP. Who will last longer? Who will be more consistent? Who knows? I'm not worried about having Shaub out a few games though. I don't think this team will miss a beat from what it can do any way. We've got two back ups that have extreme HIGHS and extreme LOWS. I do like our weapons on offense though and they are a fun bunch to watch finally. It just sucks that we continue to have the QB issues to take the next step. I think it will be very interesting to see what Sage does in these next few games.

PS. And I like the BOLD baby! Maybe I should change mine to Texans blue.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Shaub has had some great games and then quite a few bad ones. He can't stay healthy. THAT, he has proven. Sage is just as good as Shaub. And you expect me to believe Shaub is the guy just because Kubiak thinks so, even though he was afraid of making Shaub compete for the job? Lol! Sorry buddy, but I'm not sold on Kubiak either and neither are a lot of people.

And the bold posts will stay as I mentioned before. They are no different than yours. Pathetic how you try and use that instead of the argument. I've been here for months and I haven't changed it for any of you whiners, so don't think it will now either.

How many games of Sage's have you seen? Just the ones when he was a Texan? Which would include the epic loss to the Colts and the 4 INT loss to the Titans and yesterday's equally brillliant 2 sacks in three plays agaisnt the Vikings.

Once again, Sage was given multiple chances to win the starting before becoming the back-up here is Houston. He failed. It is also important to remember that he was signed to be the back-up, and not to compete for the starting job. I agree that Kubiak may not be the HC we all hoped he might be, but that does not diminish his abilities as a QB coach or an OC; and it's those parts of his coaching knowledge that I trust over quite a few poeples when it comes to Matt v Sage.

The comments about the bolded text were more of a post script, as if you go back and re-read my psot you'll see that I did indeed adress your so called "points". But I'm starting to fell that you bold your posts in either an attempt to gather attention or to further highlight that you post a contraian message. Either way it is now, and will forever be annoying.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Polo

Matt would do himself wonders if he could move around in the pocket better...

On that strip sack that Allen had, Schaub could've avoided it if he had just stepped up a bit and let Duane continue to push him upfield...

Easier said than done tho'

I have no problem with his footwork in the pocket. I have a problem with a gimpy Schaub in the pocket, which he was. He should have never been in the game at that moment.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

Lets recap:







I was responding directly to your saying that Sage only played badly in one game. Stay on point and don't change arguments in mid stream.

When did I say that he only played bad in one game? I didn't.

My point is that all I hear from many of you that seem to hate Sage is that Indy game where he blew up at the end. Okay, he screwed it all up. You don't care that he played probably the best game any Texans QB ever has against INdy in the history of the Texans franchise up until the ROSENCOPTER WAS BORN. Lol! (A little joke) Yeah, that sucked, but he played one hell of a game until then. I don't think that he would ever repeat a catostrophic melt down like that again. I'm sure that learned from it.

Rosencopter has played quite well in the past though. Don't forget that he had to play quite a few games last year without AJ, and had to work with Walter and Davis and he played pretty well. He is no star. He may be a back up, but he isn't any worse than Shaub. I think he brings a little more of an IT factor than Shaub does or ever will. To me, Shaub seems like a QB that has to have great blocking to play well. He just doesn't get into a rythem when there is constant pressure. I like Shaub, but I'm not blind to some of his inefficiencies nor am I to Sage's either.

Sage will be the guy for the next few weeks. Let's give him support and hope that he does well instead of constantly hammering the memories of the Colts game. It's over and done with. He just threw for around 250 in the 2nd half against a team that we weren't moving the ball that well on in the 1st half yesterday. He made quick throws. Give him a shot.