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Old 11-02-2008   #61
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Molden has been a monster on special teams. Can we give him some playing time?
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Does eveyone agree we should resign DROB or should we save the money & go after a top CB or DL in FA
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I think it's too early to just give up on D Rob. I don't know if he'll ever be the same player he was but I think we should make that decision at the end of the season. I think regardless of what we do though our first pick should be a CB. Besides D Rob brings a certain fire to this team that we really need.
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Does eveyone agree we should resign DROB or should we save the money & go after a top CB or DL in FA
I would franchise him and see what he has got. Fully test that knee first before locking him up to a long term deal.

We should still have enough money to go after a big time DT.

You know, that Julius Peppers guy is going to be a FA unless the Panthers tag him.
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I think you need to take your hater glasses off.

27 tackles, 11 passes defensed, 2 INT, and an INT return for a TD.

What else does this man have to do to earn your respect?

And falling down has been Robinson's MO his entire career with the Texans. We would of won the Titan game last year if Robinson could of stopped a 30 yard pass completion to set up the game winning field goal.

Give me a break on the hating. Reeves is a pretty damn good man corner. But if you constantly leave your man on an island and you have spotty Safety play then of course your going to give up some big plays. Happens to all of them, Baily, Green, DRob, Samuels, Clements, ect.

Stop listening to closet Cowboy fans.
Please don't accuse me of listening to Cowboy fans........I don't need them to tell me what crap looks like, I can see it for myself and what we got here is a big mound of crap

When your the only corner that people are throwing the ball at your going to pad stats, so you need to go ahead and throw those right out the window.

Also Reeves is one of the crappiest man 2 man corners in the entire NFL.....he hardly ever makes a play on the ball. I mean in all my years of watching football, I don't think I've ever seen a corner who can get in correct position (yes he does that sometimes), but still can not break up the pass.......whether it be from just not deflecting the pass or by not even looking back for the ball.....he never looks back for the ball. He must've crapped himself when the ball landed right in his lap today.......he "goofed up" and ran right into a big play. Hell when you've had like a hundred balls thrown at you I guess a few are finally going to hit you in the hands.

Also don't bring Dunta into this, before he got hurt last year he was breaking up passes left and right and in only his second game back from a absolutely devastating injury he had a pick and dropped another pick.

Let me ask you this, if Reeves is our best cornerback.......then why the hell do teams GAME PLAN TO THROW AT HIM? What stupid coach in this league would say.........."Gee guys this is Sundays game plan, we're going to pick on their "best corner" all day......don't even bother throwing at those other crappy guys, nope that's too easy, we want a challenge......even though we have one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL, lets pick on thier #1 corner".

They don't, coaches don't do that......instead they try to capatolize on the other team's weaknesses....and Reeves is a glaring weakness, who's so glaring he's blowing up on game film around the league now.

What's happening to him is just like last season when Faggins got singled out.......Reeves is getting singled out, and it's for the very same reason.......because he sucks and is our worst corner right now.
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Please don't accuse me of listening to Cowboy fans........I don't need them to tell me what crap looks like I can see it for myself and what we got here is a big mound of crap
If Reeves is your definition of crap than what is sub category of crap cus the rest of our secondary falls into that.

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When your the only corner, people are throwing the ball at your going to pad stats, so you need to go ahead and throw those right out the window.
They throw the ball plenty at other CB's. Reeves is the only guy constantly in position to make plays and is not 10 yards out of the TV screen.

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Also Reeves is one of the crappiest man 2 man corners in the entire NFL.....he hardly ever makes a play on the ball.
Just b/c you keep saying it does not make it true. 11 passes defensed and 2 picks with one returned for a TD is plenty of making plays. He is Aaron Glen Beta lite. His one weakness is he is unable to turn his head to look for the ball down field. Other than that he is all over his guy.

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I mean in all my years of football I don't think I've ever seen a corner who can get in correct position (yes he does that), but still can not break up the pass.......whether it be from just not deflecting the pass or by not even looking back for the ball.....he never looks back for the ball.
I agree he does not look back for the ball and one would think that Hoke should have addressed that by now.
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He must've crapped himself when the ball landed right in his lap today.......he "goofed" up and ran right into a play, hell when you've had like a hundred balls thrown at you I guess a few are finally going to hit him in the hands
First it didn't just fall into his lap. It was tipped by Berrian and Reeves went and got it. Thats called making a play on the ball.

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Also don't bring Dunta into this, before he got hurt last year he was breaking up passes left and right and in only his second game back he had a pick and dropped another pick.
Breaking up passes = passes defensed. DRobs best PD mark was 10 in 2006. DRob is a hitter, not a cover corner. He would rather let you catch it so he can unload on you. I am a big fan of DRob but his style of play with such a weak secondary has cost us games in the past. Teams have gone after him knowing that DRob will let you catch it. Again, perfect example of that was last years Titan game.

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Let me ask you this, if Reeves is our best corner back.......then why the hell do teams GAME PLAN TO THROW AT HIM? What stupid coach in this league would say.........."Gee guys this is Sundays game plan, we're going to pick on their "best corner" all day......don't even bother throwing at those other crappy guys, nope that's too easy, we want a challenge......even though we have one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL, lets pick on thier #1 corner".
Who said that defenses plan to throw at Reeves?

Don't mistaken what I am saying, Reeves has his faults but he does make plays, he is in position, and he does hit. I like Reeves. He plays with a little bit of an attitude but he does have his faults.

What I am really saying is he is the least of our problems. When you have corners who can't beat out Faggins there are problems. And you can't even use the "Well the guy makes X amount of money so thats why he is starting" excuse cus all three make about the same. When Bennett and Molden, the supposed future of our secondary, can't break the starting line up we have problems.

I am totally comfortable with Reeves/Robinson as our two starting corners.
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Wow that rebuttal must've took an hour to type.........I don't have enough time in the day to quote you 20 different times, so if that was your plan you won.

I just find it absolutely funny you think teams are throwing at all of our CBs equally......that's absolutely laughable when even freaking TV commentators who don't even watch our team play every Sunday are cracking jokes about how bad Reeves is and how he's being picked on.

Also you need to stop with the 11 passes defensed.......because that is another inflated stat.....the guy gets targeted about 7-8 times a game.....gee he broke up a pass or two, but was french toast the rest of the Sunday afternoon. I mean you keep bringing up these stats that don't mean crap. Woo! he broke up 11 passes.......hell as much as people are throwing at him he should have about 20 defensed passes.

Also please stop saying he made a play on that damn ball, the ball deflected right off the receiver right into his lap....like I said earlier I'm suprised he didn't crap himself. Hell if the receiver caught the ball it would've just been another pass Reeves gave up........it's not like he jumped the route.

And as far as "who said defenses throw at Reeves".......uh that would be me, I can see for my own eyes that defenses throw at Reeves.....anybody that knows what they're looking at can identify when another team is targeting or picking on a corner....Reeves is being picked on. I saw the same crap last season with Faggins and started a thread very similar to this one right before he was benched.
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Wow that rebuttal must've took an hour to type.........I don't have enough time in the day to quote you 20 different times, so if that was your plan you won.

I just find it absolutely funny you think teams are throwing at all of our CBs equally......that's absolutely laughable when even freaking TV commentators who don't even watch our team play every Sunday are cracking jokes about how bad Reeves is and how he's being picked on.

Also you need to stop with the 11 passes defensed.......because that is another inflated stat.....the guy gets targeted about 8 times a game.....gee we broke up a pass or two, but was french toast the rest of the Sunday afternoon. I mean you keep bringing up these stats that don't mean crap. Woo! he broke up 11 passes.......hell as much as people are throwing at him he should have about 20 defensed passes.
Well if the TV commentators said it then it must be true.

All I am saying is that with as unstable of a secondary line up that we have Reeves has been our only constant. Bennett started the year off as our starter but could never stay in position, he lost, his starting job to Faggins. (That should tell you something right there) Faggins gets beat like an orphan in an Oliver Twist story and Molden can't even sniff the field.

One of the main reasons you see Reeves getting thrown at a lot is b/c we have 9 other guys on our defense giving Faggins support so he doesn't get lit up for another 80 yard score. Reeves has been left 1 on 1 the majority of the time and I think he has done a pretty solid job.
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I saw the same crap last season with Faggins and started a thread very similar to this one right before he was benched.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42531

Infact heres that thread I started last season....it's not that hard to identify when a corner is being targeted.
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Infact heres that thread I started last season....it's not that hard to identify when a corner is being targeted.
How does this help your argument? Bennett and Molden can't beat out Faggins and you think Reeves is the problem?
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Well if the TV commentators said it then it must be true.

All I am saying is that with as unstable of a secondary line up that we have Reeves has been our only constant. Bennett started the year off as our starter but could never stay in position, he lost, his starting job to Faggins. (That should tell you something right there) Faggins gets beat like an orphan in an Oliver Twist story and Molden can't even sniff the field.

Bennett lost his job, because he was blowing tackles.....it didn't have much to do with his coverage.........I was against the move and if you notice apparently the coaches are starting to realize they messed up to, because he's getting more and more snaps.

The only thing that Reeves has been consistent on is being consistently toasted......we've already completely swapped out our safeties and he still stinks. Deep down inside I think it's now a pride issue with our coaches and GM. They spent all this money on this cat and don't wand to admit to the gaff that they made......If you want a example of this all you have to do is drive up the road to NOLA. It was clear Jason David was the worst CB in the NFL, but the Saints wouldn't admit that their prize FA acquission was a complete wash. Different town, different team, same story.

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as far as "believing what the TV commentators say"....um one of those TV commentators was a great player for the Dynasty 49ers......I think he knows bad CB play when he sees it.

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One of the main reasons you see Reeves getting thrown at a lot is b/c we have 9 other guys on our defense giving Faggins support so he doesn't get lit up for another 80 yard score. Reeves has been left 1 on 1 the majority of the time and I think he has done a pretty solid job.
No one of the main reasons why I see Reeves lit up is because teams now have the M.O. on him......Faggins hardly even played yesterday...infact I don't even remember seeing him on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Bennett didn't already get his starting job back after the Lions game.

They saw a guy with blazing speed (which Reeves had) and they were desperate and signed him....look at the cowboys, they freaking traded for Pacman for christ sakes (I mean C'mon) and spent a 1st rounder on another damn CB. It was pretty obvious that they were bleeding for any help what so ever in the secondary, but instead they took one look at Reeves and gladly waived goodbye....that's all you need to know about him.
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How does this help your argument? Bennett and Molden can't beat out Faggins and you think Reeves is the problem?
TexanRed, I think it has more to do with personal feelings than anything else. Faggins isn't playing better than Bennett. Reeves isn't playing better than Bennett. None of them are playing any better than the other guy.

With that being said, I'll go ahead and contradict myself by saying that I don't know what the hell is going through this coaching staff mind's when they throw the two Petey's on the field. Why has Petey Reeves been given immunity from the bench? The guy has absolutely no ball skills. None. Faggins..well what more can I say?! I'd rather take my chances with Bennett and Dunta starting right now.

And another thing: Why is it that players like Demps, Bennett, and Jacoby can be demoted at the drop of a dime while guys like Myers, Brisiel, Reeves, and Greenwood are basically safe from competition? Mind bloggling. I've trusted in Kubes so far, but I'm starting to have a few doubts about him. Bottom line, I'm not the coach so I don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but I feel like some of the Texans best players are logging quality pine-time while a few scrubs are still getting significant burn. I don't understand it.
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One of the main reasons you see Reeves getting thrown at a lot is b/c we have 9 other guys on our defense giving Faggins support so he doesn't get lit up for another 80 yard score. Reeves has been left 1 on 1 the majority of the time and I think he has done a pretty solid job.
I have to disagree with that one. The main reason teams throw at Reeves so much is because he has no ball skills. He can be right with the guy he's covering, but he doesn't have the instincts to find turn and find the ball when it is in the air. That is why teams attack him so much with the deep ball. They know that he won't turn around and locate the ball to make a play on it.
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How does this help your argument? Bennett and Molden can't beat out Faggins and you think Reeves is the problem?
That says more about the D coaches (who shouldn't be around after this season) than anything else.....and if you noticed, who took more snaps today? Faggins or Bennett.

Again......Bennett was benched because of poor tackling not because he was giving up 90 yard TDs. After last season the coaches called him the best rookie on the roster so even they agreed then so what's your point?

Molden is a rookie from a DII school, that the coaches are afraid to start (honestly at this point I don't know why....the kid is in on every ST tackle) so he shouldn't even be brought up in this discussion
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Reeves is not the problem. In fact if some could get over the peculiar and un-justified hatred for the man you would see he is a pretty solid player. He is a solid tackler, plays the run well, and if I am not mistaken is our INT leader.
Reeves does play the run well, he makes ok tackles and sticks to recievers.

The problem with him is that he is completely unable to make a play or in any way distract or force his will on recievers, short of following them to the endzone to see their celebrations close up, he is not much good.

I am looking forward to what I hope is a new D-coordinator this off-season, and what I hope is 15mil thrown at _real_ talent in the secondary.
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My QB was Romo and everybody took all the QBs so I'm stuck with David Anderson........I'm sure Gus Frerotte was available though.

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Can someone please explain to me why we should slap the franchise tag on Dunta Robinson? I'm not completely against the idea, I love him as a player, and as a Texan, and want him on the team forever. However, franchising him means we're paying him the average salary of the Top 5 CB's in the league.

For me, Dunta is coming off a major injury and has come back admirably. He's still shaking some rust off but he's back before I imagined he would be. I know it would be a 1-year deal which I support but I just think that it would still be very expensive for a guy we're not sure of what we have.

Does it look like he's going to be going back outside, playing man coverage... or come in on nickle packages and be the #3 CB? We're a better team with DROB than without him, but is the franchise $ for that year worth the cost?

Again, I'm not for or against it, I just think it's really early to be talking about paying the guy top 5 CB money if he's not playing as well as the top 5, or he's not even on the field next year as much as he should be. I hope he is, b/c he's one of my favorite Texans.

But with so many question marks... what are the arguements to sign him? Scared another team will offer him more?

Just to put it out there: The 2008 franchise cost for Cornerbacks was $9,450,000. It wouldn't surprise me if it's more this year. Is D-ROB play worthy of $10 million for next year? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean I'm right- there are tons that obviously feel he is at this point.
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Infact heres that thread I started last season....it's not that hard to identify when a corner is being targeted.
I'll never forget how hard I was flamed by a few homers in here before the season when I told them that Reeves was a terrible signing. Lol! Man o man, where are they now?

I compared the Reeves signing to the Buchanon signing years ago, and people had fits for me saying it. 8 weeks into the season and Reeves has been torched all season. Reeves sucked in Dallas when they had a much better pass rush, it was absurd to think by anyone that he was going to come in here under a worse pass rush and become some good CB. At least we finally have Dunta back.
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I think franchising should be a last resort. I'm sure D-Rob is going to test the free agent market, so let's see what the league thinks his value is. Unless he goes balls-out with 6 INT's and 60 tackles in these last eight games, I'm sure we can sign him in a multi-year contract that's considerably less than $10 mill./year. As good as he has been for us, it's clear that he's not worth that kind of money.
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