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Old 10-27-2008   #1
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So I was sitting around thinking about the Vikings and how they have a tough run defense and have been efficient in sacking the QB. So, I thought, what would be a way around those two issues.

Idea one is in regards to the running game. In essence, the reason the Minne D-line is tough against the run is they are able to push through the Oline, get penetration, and prevent the Oline from getting the initial push. So, how do you prevent this? Awtysst says, you shove them right back and create a massive hole for the back to go through. Awtysst says lets use a big bruising body and punish the Vikings D line. Ie lets use Frank Okam in the FB slot. Use him as the lead and have him pummel into those big Dlineman for the first quarter. Then bring in Mr. Leach as a change of pace FB and let him go to work on them every other possession in the second and third quarter. Then bring back Mr. Okam for the 4th quarter and let him pummel them some more. I guarantee with Mr. Okam running into the Dlineman, there will be holes to find for Slaton and Green.


Basically the scheme would look like this:

AJ Winston Briesel Myers Pitts Brown Walter

Daniels Schaub Okam

Slaton/Green



Okam would switch sides periodically. In order to prevent the D from cheating we would run bootlegs and short passes/short runs away from Okam so the D has no clue where the ball is going by just looking at Okam.



Idea two is to help with pass protection. The issue with pass defense is that we either are unable to block all the rushers or we cannot adequately those that do come. Awtysst's solution is to place another Offensive Tackle at the point the rushes are coming. So far we have seen far more issues with rushers coming up the middle. So we would use an extra guard. As demonstrated in this basic diagram.


AJ Winston Briesel Studdard Myers Pitts Brown

Schaub Daniels Walter

Slaton/Green


In this setup you aid the young Briesel and Myers by providing an extra blocker in Studdard. You also help the other side by sliding OD over to block. In this scheme, AJ, Walter are the main receivers with OD and Slaton/Green the check down option or blocker. These can be mixed up depending on whats needed. The extra big body on the Oline should give more more time to throw and more time to for the receivers to get open. We could even use a set where we use an empty backfield with the extra Oline package and basically have 4 receivers.


So, what do yall think of Awtysst's new offensive packages? I am interested in all thoughts!


I call these the Krazy K9 Packages!
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that thinking is outside the box

the Texans seem fairly healthy across the line & are picking up Gibbs system little by little so I see no reason to change course @ this time. I would like to see the Texans spread out those big bodies in the middle to take advantage of cutback lanes, maybe throw in a wild-cat play using Moats nobody will be looking for that
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that thinking is outside the box

the Texans seem fairly healthy across the line & are picking up Gibbs system little by little so I see no reason to change course @ this time. I would like to see the Texans spread out those big bodies in the middle to take advantage of cutback lanes, maybe throw in a wild-cat play using Moats nobody will be looking for that
that's one way to put it; sounds more like thinking "under the influence" to me


seriously, I don't see where a relatively slow Okam at 340 will hit any harder than a significantly faster Leach at 255. Besides, you gotta have good footwork to pick up stunts and blitzes and such. I'd be amazed if Okam has those skills compared to Leach - who's having a pro bowl year, IMHO.

And unless those big uglies can catch, the defense's job just got easier because you just reduced the legitimate receiving options

There is one variation of your idea I like though; I could see us inserting an additional big ugly like Okam on short yardage situs and then slipping OD out into space and then using play-action to throw out of that "heavy" formation.
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Woah.. and I thought Ron Dayne was a threat to take out another offensive linemans career. Okam could take out two at a time!
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that's one way to put it; sounds more like thinking "under the influence" to me


seriously, I don't see where a relatively slow Okam at 340 will hit any harder than a significantly faster Leach at 255. Besides, you gotta have good footwork to pick up stunts and blitzes and such. I'd be amazed if Okam has those skills compared to Leach - who's having a pro bowl year, IMHO.

And unless those big uglies can catch, the defense's job just got easier because you just reduced the legitimate receiving options

There is one variation of your idea I like though; I could see us inserting an additional big ugly like Okam on short yardage situs and then slipping OD out into space and then using play-action to throw out of that "heavy" formation.
X2 - in short yardage situations it might be useful, but Okam is pretty big, slow and not all that strong in my opinion. I would instead use two fullbacks or tight ends and line them up off the line of scrimmage to get some momentum to open up the holes in short yardage. Vonta Leach is an animal; we are fortunate to have him.
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that's one way to put it; sounds more like thinking "under the influence" to me


seriously, I don't see where a relatively slow Okam at 340 will hit any harder than a significantly faster Leach at 255. Besides, you gotta have good footwork to pick up stunts and blitzes and such. I'd be amazed if Okam has those skills compared to Leach - who's having a pro bowl year, IMHO.

And unless those big uglies can catch, the defense's job just got easier because you just reduced the legitimate receiving options

There is one variation of your idea I like though; I could see us inserting an additional big ugly like Okam on short yardage situs and then slipping OD out into space and then using play-action to throw out of that "heavy" formation.
putting DeMeco in there is another story................
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Correct me if I am wrong, but in your second alignment you have to have a receiver covering up the last OL on the right, a TE, RB, or WR has to be there are it's a illegal formation. Also have can only have so many on the line of scrimmage (I think it is 7), some would have to be offset a yard. Okam would be to wore out to play any D given that he is a rookie. I like the train of thought though.
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Lets see a Rosenfels pass to Schaub just like the Ravens pulled on the Raiders.

Haha that play was crazy!
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What about the ooptie-oop offense? Maybe we should try that.
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So let's take out a FB that is having a pro-boiwl type year and place in a defenseive tackle that doesn't know the offense at all and have him block instead? You really want to get Schaub killed don't you? Or...Talk about telegraphing your plays. Besides, just because a guy is big doesn't neccessarily make him a great blocker. There is a lot of technique to learn there.

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We tried this with Robaire Smith.

There should be a picture of it on the "Fail" website somewhere
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We tried this with Robaire Smith.

There should be a picture of it on the "Fail" website somewhere
Yeah, if memory stands correctly we tried it during a preseason game. 3 straight stops at the one yard line. Had to settle for a field goal.
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That's OK. We can put Leach in on Defense, lol.
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What about the ooptie-oop offense? Maybe we should try that.
no way, we need to see the hook & ladder ... okam's got better hands than billy bob so it's a touchdown every time.
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So let's take out a FB that is having a pro-boiwl type year and place in a defenseive tackle that doesn't know the offense at all and have him block instead? You really want to get Schaub killed don't you? Or...Talk about telegraphing your plays. Besides, just because a guy is big doesn't neccessarily make him a great blocker. There is a lot of technique to learn there.

On this one - crazy
the way I said those things was much nicer
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What about the ooptie-oop offense? Maybe we should try that.
I thought we fired Capers...
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What about the ooptie-oop offense? Maybe we should try that.

Go for it........It could work with Schaub and Sage, with Leach between them to keep the running threat open and the D guessing.
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It's crazy alright. But I agree with you in spirit. I think the Texans will have to do some creative things to keep the Minn.D-line guessing or at least slow them down a bit. I think Okam would be too slow and he doesn't have proper technique.
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