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Old 10-29-2008   #81
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Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.
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Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.
Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?
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Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.
I don't think the "running the table" posts are meant to be taken literally. I think it's just a spill over of exuberance and excitement. You and I are on opposite ends of this debate. After rewatching the Indy game, I predicted this team would win 9 games. That was when we were 0-4. My optimism for this team has little to do with beating Detroit and Cincinnati- those victories only confirm what I already saw to be true... and what's that?:

1. Our offense is potent. It's one of the best in the league and it's still improving. For 5 weeks now, nobody we've played has been able to stop it... and that includes some pretty good defenses (Jacksonville, Indy, Miami)

2. We're very healthy- and Dunta is back and now close to 100%.

3. Our LB play is definitely better. Diles makes some mistakes but certainly makes more plays than any OLB we've had.

4. Our secondary isn't bad. It still gives up some plays and isn't scary but the windows are usually quite small now and we've got very good depth there- only to improve with Dunta's return

5. We're not being run on. 5 weeks in a row nobody has successful ran on us, including Jacksonville and Miami.

6. Mario is maybe the best defensive player in the NFL.

7. Our DL rotation has improved and we're playing much better up front situationally- and getting good push and pressure with the front 4.

8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.

9. The team is learning how to win and gaining confidence. Winning on the road this week is the last big hurdle, i think.


I still think 9 wins... hoping for 10 and believe it's possible!
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as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.
that is basically the whole point to this thread. sometimes i read all these people complaining about the team and you wonder if its really even the team that they are complaining about. a lot of posters have no other place to complain about whats really going on so they make these crazy unrealistic expectations for our team and coaches that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.

when things are going good they really dont even care to come in here and talk about the team. no i dont hate these people. just not sure where they are coming from and dont agree with what they say.
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Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

3 in a row is better than we have ever done before. thats why people are happy. you can find all the flaws in our win streak but seem to ignore the postives in our 4 loses(such as we could of easily won two of those and all 4 games came against pretty good teams).

i dont see things in a vacuum. i was talking about the team playing better after the first 3 games. started a whole thread about predicting a 10 and 6 season. people arent laughing quite as hard now.

its not really about seeing things in a vacuum its more of some people see the positives and some see the negatives. its a glass half full/empty type of thing. unfortunatly some people around here are walking around with totally empty glasses. not even a drop of water in that b####.
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Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?
I'm not sure how your post or whatever had ANYTHING to do with the area you quoted me on.

My response was in regards to someone being a leader and stepping up and telling Sage to get his act together or some how for the coaches to stop the bleeding during the Colts game. If you want to constantly be the poopoo platter regarding the wins, be my guest. I'm realistic about the competition but also realistic about how they finally put 4 quarters together..bad or good teams. Afterall, if all it took was bad teams on the schedule 3 games in a row should have happened a long time ago.

On your Carr note, I basically wrote your last paragraph for 2 years and people like you and others just tore into me.
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I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.
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....that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.
Does calling for Petey's head count?

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I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.
I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.
  • Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
  • We've got a working RB rotation.
  • The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
  • The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
  • OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
  • Bulman > TJ.

Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
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I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.
  • Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
  • We've got a working RB rotation.
  • The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
  • The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
  • OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
  • Bulman > TJ.

Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
Good points, and the only area I can disagree with you on is whether it is a bad thing or not. You guys are going to have to step it up starting next week. I go back to work starting Monday and will join the posting from work crowd.
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Cool so after Schuab, AJ, OD, and Walker light them up you will get negative points. I am sure the people in your league are happy your in it.
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Personally, I've been very positive about this team and even starting 0-4 didn't dampen that enthusiasm. I'm not enthusiastic about beating the Lions or the Bengals. They're bad teams. But I am happy with how we beat them.

I'm glad we got down to the Dolphins and had to fight our way back to a victory. We learned something from that. I'm glad we jumped on the Lions and then almost had it slip away from us. We learned something from that. I'm glad we demolished the Bengals worse than they'd been beaten up to that point in the season because it showed we'd learned from the other games. We didn't let them hang around. We didn't relax and let them back into the game.

I think this team has learned a lot the past 5-6 weeks... about winning, about losing, and about what it's capable of doing.

People can find negatives about this team. But if you think there's a single team out there that you can't find negatives about, then you're delusional. Most teams have weaknesses and deficiencies and we definitely have our share. But that doesn't mean we can't go out and beat good teams and go to the playoffs. We just have to go out and win the games. And hopefully, we've learned how to do that.

We'll see.
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We suck again. Miami will win the next game.

I told yall plain and simple ...We suck again

Doesnt matter who we put in...were gonna lose

We wont win

Plan of attack: Pray for a miracle.

Its just as I suspected. We suck again. Were easily going 0-5 ...im still watching and wearing my Texans gear. GO TEXANS!!!!

We basically sucked on Sunday

We suck.

I hate to say it but we suck again
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Man, to see an 0-4 Texans team fire off three wins in a row against any opponents gets me inspired.

I don't own a crystal ball, so I won't bother projecting anything. But, the fact remains, for all this team's weaknesses, they still have heart and did not let 0-4, Ike, or Rosencopter, kill their spirits. They still hit the practice field and they still came out of the bull's belly the past three Sundays ready to play some NFL football.

We can slice and dice this team all day long. Hater or not, I'll let others decide the labels. They certainly give us a lot to chat about.

BUT, at the end of the day, there are still 9 games left in this season, and we could be .500 at the halfway mark after going 0-4. One game at a time, my fellow Texans fans, and let's just enjoy the ride. All that matters is that this season is not lost, and we have a long way to go in a very volatile and potentially week conference.

4 IN A ROW, LET'S GO!!!
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8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.
I'm surprised I haven't seen that mentioned here yet. Molden was an absolute beast on kickoff coverage against the Bungles. That comes a week after he worked so well with Davis in downing the punts inside the 5 in the Lion game. The kid is definitely contributing.
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The Texans DO have onfield leadership. It's mainly when Schaub is under
center. I dare you to point to ONE time Matt Schaub has melted down
in the 2-minute drill to win a game. Matt was booed after two interceptions
in the Dolphins game, yet LEAD HIS TEAM to victory in spite of it.

In Carolina, last season, the Texans were down 14-0 after Schaub screwed
up, yet he LEAD HIS TEAM to defeat the then-good Panthers in their OWN
HOUSE. At least we know Matt doesn't get rattled when the team has
a lead, he becomes iceman and kicks their ass up one side of the field
down the other. Just as Kubes was right about Diles becoming a good player,
just like when coach didn't give up on Jacoby, when there were many-a-preseason-thread about cutting him, coach believes Schaub has the tools
to be a GREAT quarterback. The last three games are looking too much
like right. Most of his passes are right on the MONEY.

Houston, we are ONE STEP from being called "contenders." I'm looking
forward to graduation to that rank on Sunday.
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