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Old 10-28-2008   #61
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most other teams dont hate the texans IMO we are one of the most well liked fans around the league and team and one of the most ignored

the only fans that really kinda hate us are

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thats about it really

its not like we are the philly or boston of the NFL LOL
why do saints hate us?
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I lowered and installed the engine and tranny into my sons car Saturday and got it started and somewhat tuned early Sunday. I was absolutely, positively giddy watching the Texans finally come out and punch a team square in the face. It was a major 'pick me up' for me after busting knuckles all weekend.

All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?

My name is HOU-TEX and I'm NOT a hater.
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All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?
You mean other than DeMeco right? We need better OLBs, another pass rusher opposite or Super Mario, better Safeties, and someone other than Reeves on CB. I like our DT's and guys on our def are decent other than Okoye, Williams, Ryans, Dunta, Bennet. Im not a hater for saying this, its obvious. Yes we are playing well right now but we need some work still. WE should be 5-2 right now, but in reality are 3-4. We beat the teams we SHOULD be beating and I think we SHOULD beat the Colts and Jags and SHOULD the 2nd time around. Given that we should win the next 4(maybe 5) games. Minn will be tough. Baltimore is ok at best, im not impressed with them at all. The Colts, we had them and they havent looked good at all this season. The browns........LOL I dont need to say anything there. Jags, we could have beaten as well. Basically what is left of the season I think we can come out with at least 7 to 8 wins which would put us at 10-6 or 11-5. 9-7 could get us in the playoffs, but it might be tough.
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Thank you. Im tired of people who sit here and say " winning is all that matters" then say it doesnt count cause "we got lucky", or "its a bad team". You cant have it both ways. This is the NFL, any team can beat you. Anyone. Im tired of people being so negative when we are slowly building Momentum that could lead us to play offs
On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.
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On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.
Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.
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Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.
It turns out the Texans didn't have the Colts. That game bothers me a lot too, but not for the same reasons as most people here. Some fans like to blame Sage completely for that loss, because then they can project how good the team is if they drop Sage's performance. I don't agree with that.

Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.

The thing the Texans haven't proven is that they have the leadership - on the bench or on the field - to win when the going gets tough. Yes, they can do cute dances when beating up on the weak sisters of the league, but those same players were wallflowers when leadership was required to beat a tough team.

Projections based on the easy games are very good for keeping fans morale up, but they are nothing more than hopes for a bright future. The phrase "if they played the elite teams like they did the Bengals..." sounds good, but really is not indicative of the nature of the Texans. When the going gets tough, it seems most of the players wait for someone else to do something. When no one does, they are left to try to "figure out" why they weren't ready to play.

The Texans may have learned their lessons, and dancing in the end zone during a blowout may have triggered the swagger and leadership the team needs. I'm not going to assume it has though; they've spent too long being aimless.
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Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.
how do you know that someone didnt? how do you know what works best for sage? maybe going "singletary" on his ass is destructive and everyone patting him on the back would just eat at him. most quarterbacks need a minute to process and let go, and then go do their jobs. see favre, turnover, turnover, turnover ... game winning touchdown. no irate coach belittling him to do his job or sending him to the showers, no personal pep squad to do a little dance for him on the sidelines ... process, let it go, get back on the field.

kubiak wasnt just an "interested observer", he was the coach and playcaller. he called the most simple plays we've got to make sage's job easier and get his confidence back quickly ... handoffs, the basic bootleg into an area without a defender within 10 yards, a 3 yard pass to the sideline, and a simple drop and if noone's open throw it away. sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.
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sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.
So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.
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put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.

everything else i agree with. we arent a team with veteran leadership and having such a young staff doesnt make that any easier (our OC is younger than the players and the head coach hasnt finished 2 and a half seasons yet). that's why guys like alex gibbs and ray rhodes are being brought in to try to assist along the way, same as sherman when getting started. mario, demeco, and dunta are going to be that on defense but with the roster turnover during this building process they cant be everything to everybody. mario working with bulman on the sidelines is a great thing to see. the closest thing we have on offense to that veteran leadership IS sage rosenfels and ephraim salaam - neither of which are seeing the field. schaub just now crossed 1 season as a starter and look at where he is and how the offense is playing FOR him. andre's a monster; davis, anderson, walters, daniels ... a 4th & 7th rounder and a pair of castoffs. we dont have that leadership yet, but we're getting there.

i've not called anyone a hater (it's not part of my vocabulary lol), but i've been fairly adamant against the folks that are gunshy about rooting for the team and seeing the good things that we do accomplish. we've got a lot to prove, and a long ways to go. but unless the team packs up in the next 3 seasons (or starts firing everyone), i dont see how folks can not be optomistic with the direction we're heading - even if we're not getting the tingly results of winning superbowls every season. what kills me is that if we do have a bad game or with schaub's next interception, the forum will be flooded again with bile.
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So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.
There is no question that Sage should take full responsibility for that loss. Our defense held Manning in check for most of the game. We were in position to win, all Sage has to do is take care of the ball in that situation we win,so what does he do? That's right, he turns it over on the last 3 possesions!. What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.

It just seems that alot of the "haters" always try to have the view which is most detrimental to the team. JMO.
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how do you know that someone didnt?
I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.

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put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.
Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*

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What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.
My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.
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I fixed it for ya Malloy.
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I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.



Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*



My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.
Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.
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I fixed it for ya Malloy.

Dude, I'm not like that!

I would appreciate it though
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Cheap bastard.
I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same.
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I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same.
You work-place has no alcohol policy ?
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You work-place has no alcohol policy ?
It's a family owned business. We most definitely have beer in the fridge. There's also wine for my Bro.
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