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Old 10-24-2008   #21
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Like the all the greats before us have said:

"A win is a win"
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

Sigh.
I did not think i would have to pull this out so early, but here we go.



What's that? Uh -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game! Another game.
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

I think if we're talking about a playoff spot then our season has been toast since the first week at Pittsburgh. We learned very quickly that we didn't have the defense to hang with anyone heading for the post season and nothing has changed in the weeks that followed. Whether we beat Cincinnati or not we'll still give them almost 400 yards of offense and probably around 28 points. We have no business thinking about the playoffs.

I'm not even a little bit upset by that though. I was very much hoping that the Texans would step up but since they haven't (on that side of the ball) I'm just taking the year one game at a time and just taking solace in the fact that our offense is maybe a few games away from being something awesome to behold. They just need more reps to work the mistakes out and get truly efficient and I hate to think that we'll probably be playing our best football after we're out of contention (at least on the offensive side).

Our defense is abysmal and nothing is going to change that as long as we're doing the same things with the same people. I've just resigned myself to the fact that we're going to see the same defense for the rest of the season led by the same guy and making the same stupid mistakes. Since it won't get any better until the end of the year (if then) I'm giving up bitching and crying about it and just going out there to watch the offense get better. They do seem to get better every year and who knows, maybe they'll get good enough to carry us to a winning record in spite of the defense.

Or maybe they'll get on a roll and something magic will happen. Who knows right? You turn a season around one game at a time so if we don't beat Cincinnati I wouldn't say our season is suddenly toast. I'd say it's "still" toast and nothing has changed.
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AJ and Mario are poster boys for inconsistency. Flashes followed by disappearing acts. Before throwing stats at me, name a game on the line, where AJ or Mario stepped it up.

Are you serious? How about JUST TWO GAMES AGO.

4th and 10? and the 20 ard or so reception, snagging it from the DB's grasps and converting that crucial 4th down? How about in the Jags game, driving down to get the game into overtime?

I could go on and on about AJ.

Mario? Have you not seen how many times the Mario sack song has come into play? He had a *huge* sack on Manning that many thought effectively ended the game against the Colts.

Pessimism is one thing, but come on now. That's crazy ridiculous.
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If "inconsistent" means 2nd in the league in receptions and having the highest YPG in the entire league the past 2 years, I want 55 "inconsistent" players.
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I get real worried when I hear sound bites like the one I just heard on 610 by Kubiak..............."They [Bengals] have an EXPLOSIVE offense."

How EXPLOSIVE an offense can you have being 7-0. Sounds like a CYA excuse for a coach who's also worried about having this one get away from us.
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Or just sounds like coachspeak to the media.
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AJ and Mario are poster boys for inconsistency. Flashes followed by disappearing acts.



Wow. Just wow.
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

JCTexan;1031789]I agree. If we lose this week we have no shot at the playoffs.

We didn't blow a lead. The Lions would have actually had to have tied it for us to have blown a lead. They didn't since we were up 28-10 at one point. The Colts game was blowing a lead.


I thought we were up by 21-0 at one point, my memory's not the best.

My point was that we were handidly beating the Lions but for some reason we played down to them and let them back in the game.

Didn't AJ catch a pass to put us in FG position against the Jags? And what about that catch he had against the Dolphins? If that's not stepping it up I don't know what is.]

A catch against the Jags to put us in FG position? Great recievers are measured by TD catches. At least that is my measuring stick.

Through 6 games AJ has 2 TD's on 45 Receptions for 629 yards
Through 7 games Ocho has 2 TD's on 27 Receptions for 269 yards
Through 7 games TO has 5 TD's on 25 Receptions for 398 yards
Through 6 games Moss has 4 TD's on 25 Receptions for 369 yards

I just picked these players because of their name recognization, I do not know who the league leaders are at this point. Might be interesting to know.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

Conclusion? Teams know how to defense AJ. Give him his catches but limit his TD's. I can't prove it but it seems most of AJs catches are sideline variety that limit any yac. Like I stated.. its only my perception.

The catch against the Dolphins was great by any standard...I'd like to see that kind of catch more often. AJ very seldom battles for the ball.

Observe, it was a sideline catch.

What is AJ's yac (contact) average? I don't know, but I doubt it ranks very high against other #1 recievers. I could be very wrong though.

I just do not hold AJ to the highest esteem other Texan fans do.


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Are you serious? How about JUST TWO GAMES AGO.

4th and 10? and the 20 ard or so reception, snagging it from the DB's grasps and converting that crucial 4th down? How about in the Jags game, driving down to get the game into overtime?

I could go on and on about AJ.

Mario? Have you not seen how many times the Mario sack song has come into play? He had a *huge* sack on Manning that many thought effectively ended the game against the Colts.

Pessimism is one thing, but come on now. That's crazy ridiculous.
I am relegated to using a dial up connection and looking up stats is a major time consuming effort.

Could you look up the stat leaders for this year and tell me where Mario fits into the list.

Keep reading for my opinion of Johnson.


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If "inconsistent" means 2nd in the league in receptions and having the highest YPG in the entire league the past 2 years, I want 55 "inconsistent" players.


Like I state in a previous post....

And two TD's for the year. One TD every third game.

2nd in the league in receptions and highest YPG are statistics.

TD's win games!

Statistics are for losers....I seem to remember a former players' stats being ridiculed as meaningless. But that's history and was proven correct.

We already have 54 inconsistent players and where has it gotten us?

K Brown is money.

I understand the need for us Texan fans to search for heros. I just don't think we have any... yet. But again, that's just me.

AJ and Mario are just the best on an average/below average team.


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Wasn't it AJ who made that amazing catch to set up the winning TD against MIA?

O ya it was!
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

Char Broiled, Burnt toast - to be exact. If we let an 0-7 team get their first win against us - well, that is enough to send me to the Maalox. I don't even think the team could bounce back from that one - that would be worse than the meltdown against Indy.

This year I'm dwelling on our offense which is getting better and better. I try not to cry when the defense is on the field.
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

The home crowd better show up for this game. I'm confident Kubes will have the team ready but it better not look like bizarro world in the stands where one can hear the sound of a pindrop between plays when our defense is on the field
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I am relegated to using a dial up connection and looking up stats is a major time consuming effort.

Could you look up the stat leaders for this year and tell me where Mario fits into the list.
Mario is currently tied for sixth in the NFL with 6.0 sacks. The league leader is Demarcus Ware with 9.0. Here are the numbers:

1. Demarcus Ware-Dal: 9.0
2. James Harrison-Pitt: 8.5
Joey Porter-Mia: 8.5
4. Lamar Woodley-Pitt: 7.5
5. John Abraham-Atl: 7.0
6. Kevin Williams-Minn: 6.0
Aaron Kampaman-GB: 6.0
Albert Haynesworth-Ten: 6.0
Mario Williams-HOUSTON: 6.0
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

With these comments on PFT, can you imagine the response expected if the Texans fall to a potentially 0-16 team?

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Posted by Mike Florio on October 24, 2008, 8:58 p.m.

At 0-7 and facing the prospects of playing the next nine games without their franchise quarterback, the Cincinnati Bengals need help desperately at the position.

They need to sign Daunte Culpepper now.

Yeah, weíre a little bit in the tank for him. (At least we admit it.) But who else is out there?

Tim Rattay? Bruce Gradkowski? Kordell Stewart? Jeff George? (Actually, Jeff George would be fine by us, too.)

Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jordan Palmer arenít the answer. Unless the question is, ďDo we want to go 0-16?Ē
So they should sign Daunte.

Did we say they should do it now?
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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

Hell, I thought the season was toast after the Indy game. The huge factor is being 0-3 in the division. We have to win the last 3 division games. In a tight playoff race, that's a tiebreaker that will send you home.
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NO but it would be bad

Cincy
Minn
Balty

if we can win 2 outta 3 of thoes games then that would be decent

also Winning the Last 3 Divison games is a MUST WIN if we wanna have a chance at a wild card

Also alot of teams in the MIddle of the pack in the AFC gots to lose big time

its looking bleak but we could still make it
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Mario is currently tied for sixth in the NFL with 6.0 sacks. The league leader is Demarcus Ware with 9.0. Here are the numbers:

1. Demarcus Ware-Dal: 9.0
2. James Harrison-Pitt: 8.5
Joey Porter-Mia: 8.5
4. Lamar Woodley-Pitt: 7.5
5. John Abraham-Atl: 7.0
6. Kevin Williams-Minn: 6.0
Aaron Kampaman-GB: 6.0
Albert Haynesworth-Ten: 6.0
Mario Williams-HOUSTON: 6.0
Thanks awtysst....so if I am correct

AJ averages a TD every third game and Mario gets 1 sack a game.

If Mario maintains that average it will be a very good year.

Don't misunderstand me, I wish both guys would dominate their positions.

I am a Texan fan after all.

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Default Re: Is our season "toast" if we lose this game?

I have been reading and re-reading this post all night wondering how many ways one can answer yes, our season is toast if we lose this game. The longer I thought about it the more I realized that answer lies in what ones goals are. If our goals are to reach the play-offs, then yes a loss this week will end our season. In my opinion, that boat has already sailed. however, if our goal is to see real improvement and to set ourselves up to have a solid team, then the jury is still out on that one until the end. This team has some talent. It also has many holes, like the DB's and our linebackers, and our pass rush and our Defensive coordinater. Some of those holes will not get fixed until the off-season if then. But things things like protecting the ball, and Offensive line blocking, and development of some of the raw young talent that we already have can be done.
Above I mentioned seeing real improvement, and I'm not talking about that manufactured slow-as-mlasses garbage that has been passing for it. I hope that if our play-off hopes end, that we will see a team emerge who really will be winners next year.
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