Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

dalemurphy · 10-20-2008

Mike Nolan was fired from SF today. He was D.C. in Washington in the late 90s, also for the Jets in 2000, and for Baltimore between 2002-2004. His defenses have been pressure defenses that have almost always excelled at turnovers. With the Jets in 2000, he took over the 21st ranked defense and they improved to 10th that year.

By the way, he coached under Reeves in Denver from 1987-1992... Kubiak was in Denver as the backup QB for 5 of those seasons.

I wonder if they go get him now or wait... If they get him now, do they bring him on as a consultant/position asst. and then wait, or do they give him the job right now?

We'll see..

DiehardChris · 10-20-2008

I think he'll be a head coach somewhere next year.

Our next defensive coordinator will be Frank Bush, if I were to bet on it.

**eriadoc** · 10-20-2008

I'd love for Nolan to get a shot. I am not so certain that he gets a HC gig for a bit.

J-Russ · 10-20-2008

The niners have the same amount of wins as we do and have a more realistic chance of winning their division and they still went ahead and canned their HC.

We are 2-4, little chance of going anywhere post-season(mathematically we could, but really.. comeon, playoffs?) and we can't even let go of our DC. Would we really taking a step back if we do? Are we going to kill any chance of going to the PO if we canned him? Hey, who knows, maybe we can actually finish outside of top 5 worst defense if we decided to jettison his ass out of town right now.

Tahoegirl · 10-20-2008

You do not want him.. Just look at our defense and how bad they play.. That's his doing not our DC Nolan calls the shots..

You'll be sorry trust me..

J-Russ · 10-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Tahoegirl

You do not want him.. Just look at our defense and how bad they play.. That's his doing not our DC Nolan calls the shots..

You'll be sorry trust me..

Trust me, we already feel sorry every monday morning after watching our current DC run his defense.

CloakNNNdagger · 10-20-2008

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Originally Posted by DiehardChris

I think he'll be a head coach somewhere next year.

Our next defensive coordinator will be Frank Bush, if I were to bet on it.

........and possibly before season's end.

DiehardChris · 10-20-2008

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

........and possibly before season's end.

A man can dream, yes.

Ole Miss Texan · 10-20-2008

im a believer that that frank bush will probably be our def. coordinator next. is nolan's defensive "specialty" a 3-4 ? or is san fran not doing that well b/c he's more of a 4-3 guy? ive raised the question before b/c im not real sure: is our personnel still better suited for the 3-4? i feel like kubiak wants a 4-3 and he's going to get a guy that fits that mold. u cant fit a square peg in a round hole, or whatever the saying is.

dalemurphy · 10-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

im a believer that that frank bush will probably be our def. coordinator next. is nolan's defensive "specialty" a 3-4 ? or is san fran not doing that well b/c he's more of a 4-3 guy? ive raised the question before b/c im not real sure: is our personnel still better suited for the 3-4? i feel like kubiak wants a 4-3 and he's going to get a guy that fits that mold. u cant fit a square peg in a round hole, or whatever the saying is.

I don't believe he's exclusively a 3-4 guy. I think he ran both in Baltimore.

Regardless, with mario as our centerpiece, we need to be a 4-3 team.

barrett · 10-21-2008

i'm not sure i'd want him anyway. not exactly the winning mentality that we're trying to create here.

it just seems to me that our mentality as an organization is one that promotes from within. i just find it hard to believe that we'd start over on defense. just doesn't seem like something we'd do.

BattleRedToro · 10-21-2008

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Originally Posted by Tahoegirl

You do not want him.. Just look at our defense and how bad they play.. That's his doing not our DC Nolan calls the shots..

You'll be sorry trust me..

Disclaimer: I'm going to invoke a name that may make the substance of this post ignored.

Sometimes, a former coodinator known for running very good offensive or defensive units, when given the opportunity to be a Head Coach, fails to maintain his dominance on the side of the ball that made him famous. Afer being fired as a Head Coach and returning to being a coordinator his new unit displays the former greatness of his previous units when he was a coordinator. In otherwords, sometimes great coodinators make bad Head Coaches.

A prime example of this is Dom Capers. As head coach of the Texans, his defensive units started out strong but quickly faded until his final year in which they sucked. As a Defensive Coordinator both before and after being the Texans' Head Coach were solid units.

nunusguy · 10-21-2008

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't believe he's exclusively a 3-4 guy. I think he ran both in Baltimore.

Regardless, with mario as our centerpiece, we need to be a 4-3 team.

I dunno, but many people feel that Mario ideally would be a 3-4 DE and not
4-3 DE. On the other hand I realize it would be overkill to have so much invested in a guy ("our centerpiece") who would play primarily to tie-up blocking so LBs get a shot at being the primary playmakers for the D.
And Okoye clearly would not be a fit as a 2-gapper down lineman. Of course,
he's already struggling where he's at now.

barrett · 10-21-2008

i dont like the 3-4 all the gambles with trying to figure out if a guy can convert from DE to OLB plus i don't ever want to have to reset the personnel in the front 7. we are not even close to being a 3-4 with our front 4. now i guess we could trade our entire Dline (CLE) but that would mean giving up Mario and no way would i wish for that.

BigBull17 · 10-21-2008

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Originally Posted by DiehardChris

I think he'll be a head coach somewhere next year.

Our next defensive coordinator will be Frank Bush, if I were to bet on it.

I dont want anyone from this staff to be the DC. I want a proven guy with a track record.

El Tejano · 10-21-2008

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Originally Posted by BigBull17

I dont want anyone from this staff to be the DC. I want a proven guy with a track record.

Hasn't Ray Rhodes been a d-coordinator before? From what I understand he is within our organization and has a great track record with The Eagles. I think he runs a 4-6 defense, so how does that impact our team? I've always kind of wondered how our players would fit in that kind of scheme.

Goldensilence · 10-21-2008

Just as viable I think the teams we're playing this week we could see a candidate for DC. Marvin Lewis.I'm not at all opposed to seeing Mike Nolan take over duties here though.

Prior to his HC gig in Cinci he did a great job with Baltimore's defense and took a talented but under achieving defense in DC to a top 10 defense.

I don't see all the calls for going back to a 3-4. It's taken us several years to get decent talent to go back to a 4-3. I think it'd be a giant waste of talent to put Mario as a 3-4 DE and we just don't have the LB talent needed right now to make that leap. Only way we'd do that is if we put ALL our effort this offseason into retooling the defense. We've got some good and decent pieces to finishing off a 4-3. I'd prefer the staff finish that off.

Ray Rhodes is medically unfit to be a full-time DC but I'd love to see him totally replace Hoke at the end of the season.

texanhead08 · 10-21-2008

Ray Rhodes has been a def coord in San Francisco winning Super Bowls, Green Bay I think and Seattle.

**Texan_Bill** · 10-21-2008

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Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

........and hopefully before season's end.

Fixed

**HOU-TEX** · 10-21-2008

I'd bring him in if he brought a youngster named Patrick with him.

10-20-2008	#1
dalemurphy Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin Section: Bullpen/ 636 Age: 39 Posts: 5,165 Rep Power: 10996	Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. Mike Nolan was fired from SF today. He was D.C. in Washington in the late 90s, also for the Jets in 2000, and for Baltimore between 2002-2004. His defenses have been pressure defenses that have almost always excelled at turnovers. With the Jets in 2000, he took over the 21st ranked defense and they improved to 10th that year. By the way, he coached under Reeves in Denver from 1987-1992... Kubiak was in Denver as the backup QB for 5 of those seasons. I wonder if they go get him now or wait... If they get him now, do they bring him on as a consultant/position asst. and then wait, or do they give him the job right now? We'll see..

10-20-2008	#2
DiehardChris You betcha! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Back in Houston Posts: 3,808 Rep Power: 1066	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. I think he'll be a head coach somewhere next year. Our next defensive coordinator will be Frank Bush, if I were to bet on it. __________________ www.HoustonDiehards.com

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eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,313 Rep Power: 69005	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. I'd love for Nolan to get a shot. I am not so certain that he gets a HC gig for a bit. __________________ “The Conservative’s first concern will always be: Are we maximizing freedom?” - Barry Goldwater

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J-Russ Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,655 Rep Power: 39	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. The niners have the same amount of wins as we do and have a more realistic chance of winning their division and they still went ahead and canned their HC. We are 2-4, little chance of going anywhere post-season(mathematically we could, but really.. comeon, playoffs?) and we can't even let go of our DC. Would we really taking a step back if we do? Are we going to kill any chance of going to the PO if we canned him? Hey, who knows, maybe we can actually finish outside of top 5 worst defense if we decided to jettison his ass out of town right now.

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Tahoegirl Rookie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Truckee, CA Age: 46 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. You do not want him.. Just look at our defense and how bad they play.. That's his doing not our DC Nolan calls the shots.. You'll be sorry trust me.. __________________

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Ole Miss Texan Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,632 Rep Power: 10804	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. im a believer that that frank bush will probably be our def. coordinator next. is nolan's defensive "specialty" a 3-4 ? or is san fran not doing that well b/c he's more of a 4-3 guy? ive raised the question before b/c im not real sure: is our personnel still better suited for the 3-4? i feel like kubiak wants a 4-3 and he's going to get a guy that fits that mold. u cant fit a square peg in a round hole, or whatever the saying is. __________________ #99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard

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barrett Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin Section: 636 Posts: 2,635 Rep Power: 1154	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. i'm not sure i'd want him anyway. not exactly the winning mentality that we're trying to create here. it just seems to me that our mentality as an organization is one that promotes from within. i just find it hard to believe that we'd start over on defense. just doesn't seem like something we'd do. __________________ Come check out our blog @ http://www.texansbullblog.com/ News, Analysis and Commentary!

10-21-2008	#17
Goldensilence Is this Sparta? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out of the desert finally... Age: 31 Posts: 5,026 Rep Power: 6218	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. Just as viable I think the teams we're playing this week we could see a candidate for DC. Marvin Lewis.I'm not at all opposed to seeing Mike Nolan take over duties here though. Prior to his HC gig in Cinci he did a great job with Baltimore's defense and took a talented but under achieving defense in DC to a top 10 defense. I don't see all the calls for going back to a 3-4. It's taken us several years to get decent talent to go back to a 4-3. I think it'd be a giant waste of talent to put Mario as a 3-4 DE and we just don't have the LB talent needed right now to make that leap. Only way we'd do that is if we put ALL our effort this offseason into retooling the defense. We've got some good and decent pieces to finishing off a 4-3. I'd prefer the staff finish that off. Ray Rhodes is medically unfit to be a full-time DC but I'd love to see him totally replace Hoke at the end of the season.

10-21-2008	#18
texanhead08 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Houston,Tx Age: 44 Posts: 1,055 Rep Power: 979	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. Ray Rhodes has been a def coord in San Francisco winning Super Bowls, Green Bay I think and Seattle.

10-21-2008	#20
HOU-TEX Ah, Football! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: P-land Age: 42 Posts: 14,143 Rep Power: 19780	Re: Prediction: Mike Nolan, New D.C. I'd bring him in if he brought a youngster named Patrick with him. __________________ "We wanted to make a statement, run the ball and make them like it." - Duane Brown

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