Schaub turnovers - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**hradhak** · 10-20-2008

Let me preface this statement by saying that I think Schaub is our long term solution at QB. I think he manages the offense better than any QB we've had and he makes great plays.

I just watched the Detroit game again and saw the play where Schaub coughs up the ball near then end of the 2nd half. The defender's hand is on Schaub's back well before the ball pops out. I'm not sure why Schaub isn't covering up the football. It seems to me that in games against teams where turnovers are going to matter more, Schaub needs to be a lot more careful especially with his new penchant for running the ball when nothing's available down the field.

Norg · 10-20-2008

iam not sold of Matt yet

he has costed us many turnovers

we are the highest in the league in TO

Trail.Blazr · 10-20-2008

I am not sold on him either. I don't know how fairly you can assess him though except with some time. But, if you compare his QB Rating both as a texan and for his career, you'll find that he's statistically no better than Sage. I find that disturbing considering the hype given to him when he left Atlanta.

To be fair.. would a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady fair any better at the helm? I want to believe they would. So that said..

How long does Matt have the luxury of being the "long term solution"?

Or is that not a fair question?

**Texan_Bill** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg

iam not sold of Matt yet

he has costed us many turnovers

we are the highest in the league in TO

Highest turnover ratio, not the most turnovers.

Norg · 10-20-2008

Iam just saying there are alot of better Qb around the League then Matt/Sage

Brett Farve

BIlls QB

ROthenburger

Mc Nabb

I dare even say Kyle Orton Guss Furote and the Cards QB

**HOU-TEX** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg

Iam just saying there are alot of better Qb around the League then Matt/Sage

Brett Farve

BIlls QB

ROthenburger

Mc Nabb

I dare even say Kyle Orton Guss Furote and the Cards QB

You ok?

Silver Oak · 10-20-2008

Here's a link to NFL.com and stats for all qb's through yesterdays action.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG

Matt has the same number of int's as Drew Brees. I have $10 that says no one on the Saints board is questioning whther Brees should be their qb or not.

Man!!! And we won the freaking game yesterday!

**Texan_Bill** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg

Iam just saying there are alot of better Qb around the League then Matt/Sage

Brett Farve

BIlls QB

ROthenburger

Mc Nabb

I dare even say Kyle Orton Guss Furote and the Cards QB

Orton and Gus Frerotte are a huge reach. Especially Frerotte who has 80+ NFL starts in his career. Matt and Sage have 26 starts --- combined... As far as the others you mentioned, I'm pretty sure they were all under contract and not available (except Trent Edwards, who was drafted in 2007)

**TEXANS84** · 10-20-2008

That play happened right in front of me/bullpen. Schaub was just careless with the ball, as he was running to possibly throw the ball after the pocket broke down, and then just never fully tucked the ball in. It was his mistake, all it took was a good hit from behind to pop that ball out.

**Cjeremy635** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Oak

Here's a link to NFL.com and stats for all qb's through yesterdays action.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG

Matt has the same number of int's as Drew Brees. I have $10 that says no one on the Saints board is questioning whther Brees should be their qb or not.

Man!!! And we won the freaking game yesterday!

Yeah, but Brees has 1,000 more yards passing and 5 more TDs. I'm not knocking our QB, I'm glad we won yesterday. I'm just filling in the blanks in the comparison you made.

Silver Oak · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cjeremy635

Yeah, but Brees has 1,000 more yards passing and 5 more TDs. I'm not knocking our QB, I'm glad we won yesterday. I'm just filling in the blanks in the comparison you made.

I know, but Brees also has been sacked less too. Better line? Who knows, my point was that the qb turnover focus is time not well spent.

I don't think Schaub will be another Brady, but I do think he is a qb better than Kerry Collins, and look what surrounding a good team around him has done.

**Cjeremy635** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Oak

I know, but Brees also has been sacked less too. Better line? Who knows, my point was that the qb turnover focus is time not well spent.

I don't think Schaub will be another Brady, but I do think he is a qb better than Kerry Collins, and look what surrounding a good team around him has done.

I see what you're saying. I think he has potential, but I also think a lot of people have potential. I really think that there's a fine line between the elites in this league and the busts. I think that it all boils down to what you make of your time on the field and the opportunities you are given. Look at Brady for instance. Wasn't the guy a 5th rounder or something? He made the most of his opprtunity on the field and didn't look back. I honestly can't say that about Shaub at this point. Am I ready to bench the guy or fire him? No way, but I need to see some confidence and better decision making to bring back the warm and fuzzy feeling again.

MeLoveTexans · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norg

Iam just saying there are alot of better Qb around the League then Matt/Sage

Brett Farve

BIlls QB

ROthenburger

Mc Nabb

I dare even say Kyle Orton Guss Furote and the Cards QB

do those Rothenburgers come with cheese? Im starving

-Mark Mangino

10-20-2008

If Schaub keeps turning the ball over we won't be a very good team...

Kudos on being able to put up points on the last ranked detroit defense...

I wanna see Matt perform well against good defenses and then I'll be sold on him...

**utahmark** · 10-20-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polo

If Schaub keeps turning the ball over we won't be a very good team...

Kudos on being able to put up points on the last ranked detroit defense...

I wanna see Matt perform well against good defenses and then I'll be sold on him...

well 3 in a row isnt bad. jacs, miami and detroit. if your just waiting to seem him have a bad day against a top 5 defense then im sure you will see him struggle when we play one of those type defenses. of course all qb's struggle against to 5 defenses thats why they are top 5 defenses.

Hooston Texan · 10-20-2008

Schaub has made mistakes with the ball, but he has had the offense humming the last three games he's played. He's not getting his yards through dink and dunk--he is attacking the intermediate zones with his throws. I think what he has shown us so far is certainly enough to warrant him getting more time to iron out his mistakes.

It is always dangerous to play the "if you throw out _____", but Schaub's last three games have been outstanding. The Jags held Jay Cutler in check and the Dolphins stoned Philip Rivers, but Schaub torched them both. There is no argument in support of the Lions' defense, but no quarterback has put up better numbers over that span than Matt.

**Texans_Chick** · 10-20-2008

Interesting. Matt Schaub has now completed 16 starts as a Texan. If you combine his last year stats with this year, this is what you get.

Completed 311 passes out of 472

65.7 percent of his passes

3384 yards

Average 7.5 yards a pass

16 TDs to 16 INTs.

25 sacks

85.4 QB rating

Lots of confounding factors to look at. Lack of a running game last year. Also getting his clock cleaned a few times so that he couldn't finish games, and playing when he probably should have been out. Redo of the offensive line and missing Andre Johnson for a part of last year and trying to get back into sync this year.

Needs to reduce the INTs.

**Thorn** · 10-20-2008

We've got very few "stars" on this team right now, like AJ, Mario, and Ryans. Schaub is not one of them. He is better than about half of the starting QBs in the NFL, so it's not like he's a dud or anything, he's just not a top flight QB yet.

**hradhak** · 10-20-2008

I think the only way Schaub is really going to play up to his potential is to stop the mistakes he's been making. It may be unfair to say so, but a lot of the responsibility for this team lies with him. The only way that Houston breaks out of the cycle of thinking themselves a team of losers is to stop making stupid mistakes. The confidence and expectations of winning shouldn't be too far behind.

Joe Texan · 10-20-2008

You give Sage as much time as you pamper Matt with and I say Sage out does Matt by the numbers
Matt is our starting QB and I want him to succeed but his numbers really dwindled toward the end of the game. It is like they are figuring him out and have his number at the end of the game.

that said a W is a W and congratulations to all the Texans except Petey.

10-20-2008	#1
hradhak Site Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,279 Rep Power: 1733	Schaub turnovers Let me preface this statement by saying that I think Schaub is our long term solution at QB. I think he manages the offense better than any QB we've had and he makes great plays. I just watched the Detroit game again and saw the play where Schaub coughs up the ball near then end of the 2nd half. The defender's hand is on Schaub's back well before the ball pops out. I'm not sure why Schaub isn't covering up the football. It seems to me that in games against teams where turnovers are going to matter more, Schaub needs to be a lot more careful especially with his new penchant for running the ball when nothing's available down the field.

10-20-2008	#2
Norg Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,887 Rep Power: 2454	Re: Schaub turnovers iam not sold of Matt yet he has costed us many turnovers we are the highest in the league in TO

10-20-2008	#5
Norg Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,887 Rep Power: 2454	Re: Schaub turnovers Iam just saying there are alot of better Qb around the League then Matt/Sage Brett Farve BIlls QB ROthenburger Mc Nabb I dare even say Kyle Orton Guss Furote and the Cards QB

10-20-2008	#7
Silver Oak Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Woodlands Section: way up the ramp Age: 50 Posts: 3,620 Rep Power: 559	Re: Schaub turnovers Here's a link to NFL.com and stats for all qb's through yesterdays action. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG Matt has the same number of int's as Drew Brees. I have $10 that says no one on the Saints board is questioning whther Brees should be their qb or not. Man!!! And we won the freaking game yesterday!

10-20-2008	#9
TEXANS84 Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Woodlands, TX Age: 35 Posts: 7,446 Rep Power: 3116	Re: Schaub turnovers That play happened right in front of me/bullpen. Schaub was just careless with the ball, as he was running to possibly throw the ball after the pocket broke down, and then just never fully tucked the ball in. It was his mistake, all it took was a good hit from behind to pop that ball out.

10-20-2008	#14
Polo Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Schaub turnovers If Schaub keeps turning the ball over we won't be a very good team... Kudos on being able to put up points on the last ranked detroit defense... I wanna see Matt perform well against good defenses and then I'll be sold on him...

10-20-2008	#16
Hooston Texan All Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 652 Rep Power: 1282	Re: Schaub turnovers Schaub has made mistakes with the ball, but he has had the offense humming the last three games he's played. He's not getting his yards through dink and dunk--he is attacking the intermediate zones with his throws. I think what he has shown us so far is certainly enough to warrant him getting more time to iron out his mistakes. It is always dangerous to play the "if you throw out _____", but Schaub's last three games have been outstanding. The Jags held Jay Cutler in check and the Dolphins stoned Philip Rivers, but Schaub torched them both. There is no argument in support of the Lions' defense, but no quarterback has put up better numbers over that span than Matt.

10-20-2008	#17
Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,955 Rep Power: 22541	Re: Schaub turnovers Interesting. Matt Schaub has now completed 16 starts as a Texan. If you combine his last year stats with this year, this is what you get. Completed 311 passes out of 472 65.7 percent of his passes 3384 yards Average 7.5 yards a pass 16 TDs to 16 INTs. 25 sacks 85.4 QB rating Lots of confounding factors to look at. Lack of a running game last year. Also getting his clock cleaned a few times so that he couldn't finish games, and playing when he probably should have been out. Redo of the offensive line and missing Andre Johnson for a part of last year and trying to get back into sync this year. Needs to reduce the INTs. __________________ More on the Texans? Please check TexansChick Hou Chronicle Blog & AOL Sports-Texans FanHouse & Twitter @StephStradley

10-20-2008	#18
Thorn Dirty Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston Section: Restrained in the mental ward Age: 61 Posts: 18,167 Rep Power: 53970	Re: Schaub turnovers We've got very few "stars" on this team right now, like AJ, Mario, and Ryans. Schaub is not one of them. He is better than about half of the starting QBs in the NFL, so it's not like he's a dud or anything, he's just not a top flight QB yet. __________________ "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." --- John Wayne

10-20-2008	#19
hradhak Site Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,279 Rep Power: 1733	Re: Schaub turnovers I think the only way Schaub is really going to play up to his potential is to stop the mistakes he's been making. It may be unfair to say so, but a lot of the responsibility for this team lies with him. The only way that Houston breaks out of the cycle of thinking themselves a team of losers is to stop making stupid mistakes. The confidence and expectations of winning shouldn't be too far behind.

10-20-2008	#20
Joe Texan Inducted 04 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spring Section: 116 row a seat 20 Age: 50 Posts: 9,784 Rep Power: 4089	Re: Schaub turnovers You give Sage as much time as you pamper Matt with and I say Sage out does Matt by the numbers Matt is our starting QB and I want him to succeed but his numbers really dwindled toward the end of the game. It is like they are figuring him out and have his number at the end of the game. that said a W is a W and congratulations to all the Texans except Petey. __________________ PRAYERS TO THE FALLEN AT FT. HOOD

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