Amobi Okoya and the "B" word - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**Hagar** · 10-19-2008

Its starting to look awfully grim y'all. I decided to focus on one player today and that was Amobi Okoya. When he was in the game, which was most plays, I watched no one but him. I'll have to say, I was very, very disappointed. He's not firing off hard, he's not shucking blocks, and he's not hussling to the ball. Basically, he's not doing anything at all and his numbers show it too. Including today, Amobi has 9 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

I hope the best for him and that he turns this around, but I'm pulling out the "B" word. Given his play this season and his lack of progress, he looks like a BUST.

Norg · 10-19-2008

Not Bust yet

hes young give him 2 more years lets not cut him loose yet

**ATXtexanfan** · 10-19-2008

Hard to argue the bust label, how's patrick willis doing?

LORK 88 · 10-19-2008

Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

J-Russ · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

Yep. I said the same thing everytime someone wants to mention that Amobi is a bust. They never listen though, seems like they can only hear the negative stuff.

TheRealJoker · 10-19-2008

DLs have a 2-3 year adjustment period. At this point he is a pass rush specialist, he doesn't hold the point of attack against the run. I really thought this would be his breakout game but I guess not.

HJam72 · 10-19-2008

I don't mind him being a pass-rush specialist, but he has no sacks.

Mari-OWNED! · 10-19-2008

I agree with everyone that says we need to wait and give him more time to develop. Obviously he hasn't done much this season so far, but I think he has a lot of potential. We're just used to the fact that Mario got good really quick. Other players take a little more time. A little patience before we call him a bust.

**utahmark** · 10-19-2008

its way to early and he's way to young for that. i thought you were talking about another "b" word.

thunderkyss · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

We need to figure out what we want to do on DL first of all.

We don't have a NT..... the only pressure we get from the middle, is when we put a DE in at tackle....... Cochran or Weaver.

I like TJ, but if Amobi is ever going to be what we want him to be, we're going to have to get a real starting NT.

prostock101 · 10-19-2008

Has anyone notice Bulman's play? I never hear Okoye's or Weaver's number called but I have noticed him the last two games.

**Hagar** · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

TexansFanatic · 10-19-2008

I'd be more inclined to call Richard Smith a bust. Let's see Amobi can do with a real defensive coordinator before we give up on him.

J-Russ · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Hagar

If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

He was a senior in college.... I guess he could've been a super-senior and wait it out another year or two sitting around twiddling his thumb. He had already used up all his playing abilities in college.

Grid · 10-19-2008

The term "sophomore slump" isnt so popular because of its rarity.

Spike · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by J-Russ

He was a senior in college.... I guess he could've been a super-senior and wait it out another year or two sitting around twiddling his thumb. He had already used up all his playing abilities in college.

Whether he was a senior or not is not the real issue. The question is whether the Texans would have taken Amobi with the #10 pick if they knew that this would be his production after a season and a half. I don't think so.

If they took him with the 10th pick thinking that it would take him longer to develop than another lineman who was a little older, then it was a mistake to take him so early. Even if he did mature in the time frame that they thought, they may not have their jobs to see him succeed.

J-Russ · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Spike

Whether he was a senior or not is not the real issue. The question is whether the Texans would have taken Amobi with the #10 pick if they knew that this would be his production after a season and a half. I don't think so.

If they took him with the 10th pick thinking that it would take him longer to develop than another lineman who was a little older, then it was a mistake to take him so early. Even if he did mature in the time frame that they thought, they may not have their jobs to see him succeed.

My response was meant for his 'if he wasn't ready then he should of stay in school' comment.

Let me use your logic though. If the teams that was drafting in front of us knew that he would've been as productive as he was by the end of the season in his rookie year, then he would've been long gone before it was our turn to pick. 20 year old rookie with 5.5 sack, Tommie Harris and Warren Sapp didn't even produced that many sack in their rookie season.

Goldensilence · 10-19-2008

Was he a bust when he managed 5 sacks in his rookie season?

Hagar you don't do your argument any favor when you can't even spell his name right or forget he was a senior at 19 when we drafted him.Can we please give player 3 years before we use the word bust with a player?

I'm curious can you even name the last DT drafted that has made an immediate impact?

**Shaft75** · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Hagar

If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

A bust is usually defined by a breakout plyer that was picked after the "bust" player. So yeah... He is really working on that label.
Time for this highly paid first rounder to start earning his keep.

What has happened since the beginning of last season???

**disaacks3** · 10-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Hagar

If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

You're taking a beating on this, but I DO agree that at a #10 slot, you expect someone who can produce "right away". This particular pick is a mild exception to that rule for the reasons everyone else is harping on. The kid is still going to be on/off for awhile.

The calculated upside of all of this is that IF he gets it together by end of year three...we'll have a "seasoned VET" at the age of an incoming rookie with a promising future ahead.

10-19-2008	#2
Norg Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,887 Rep Power: 2454	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Not Bust yet hes young give him 2 more years lets not cut him loose yet

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ATXtexanfan Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: leander, tx Age: 35 Posts: 2,522 Rep Power: 3467	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Hard to argue the bust label, how's patrick willis doing?

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LORK 88 Wreck'em Ŧech! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Tech Age: 26 Posts: 1,205 Rep Power: 201	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to. __________________

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TheRealJoker Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Conroe Age: 25 Posts: 3,563 Rep Power: 2772	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word DLs have a 2-3 year adjustment period. At this point he is a pass rush specialist, he doesn't hold the point of attack against the run. I really thought this would be his breakout game but I guess not. __________________ What did the city of Houston do to anger the football gods?

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word I don't mind him being a pass-rush specialist, but he has no sacks. __________________

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Hagar Drink up yall, its the Texans! Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 47 Posts: 2,066 Rep Power: 8879	Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Its starting to look awfully grim y'all. I decided to focus on one player today and that was Amobi Okoya. When he was in the game, which was most plays, I watched no one but him. I'll have to say, I was very, very disappointed. He's not firing off hard, he's not shucking blocks, and he's not hussling to the ball. Basically, he's not doing anything at all and his numbers show it too. Including today, Amobi has 9 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. I hope the best for him and that he turns this around, but I'm pulling out the "B" word. Given his play this season and his lack of progress, he looks like a BUST. Last edited by Hervoyel; 10-19-2008 at 09:11 PM. Reason: Language

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Mari-OWNED! Bucco Bruce Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Houston, TX Age: 25 Posts: 659 Rep Power: 1253	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word I agree with everyone that says we need to wait and give him more time to develop. Obviously he hasn't done much this season so far, but I think he has a lot of potential. We're just used to the fact that Mario got good really quick. Other players take a little more time. A little patience before we call him a bust.

10-19-2008	#9
utahmark markbeth Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: utah Age: 43 Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 5935	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word its way to early and he's way to young for that. i thought you were talking about another "b" word.

10-19-2008	#11
prostock101 Mr. Big Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 471 Rep Power: 274	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Has anyone notice Bulman's play? I never hear Okoye's or Weaver's number called but I have noticed him the last two games.

10-19-2008	#13
TexansFanatic Extremist Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,175 Rep Power: 7237	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word I'd be more inclined to call Richard Smith a bust. Let's see Amobi can do with a real defensive coordinator before we give up on him.

10-19-2008	#15
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word The term "sophomore slump" isnt so popular because of its rarity.

10-19-2008	#18
Goldensilence Is this Sparta? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out of the desert finally... Age: 31 Posts: 5,026 Rep Power: 6218	Re: Amobi Okoya and the "B" word Was he a bust when he managed 5 sacks in his rookie season? Hagar you don't do your argument any favor when you can't even spell his name right or forget he was a senior at 19 when we drafted him.Can we please give player 3 years before we use the word bust with a player? I'm curious can you even name the last DT drafted that has made an immediate impact?

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