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Old 12-28-2004   #1
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I've heard the Seahawks coach Mike Holgren may want to come to H-town. Has Capers done enough to keep this from happening. I like him as a person but is he better for our future than Holgren? I have read over and over again in this forum about the Texans not receiving respect nationally. Well Holgren would instantly give us primetime respect. He said that one of the reasons he wanted to come south was that David Carr reminded him of Brett Favre. Whos he? I do believe that Carr is not being used to the best of his ability and Holgren has proven to be a great QB couch and I like his offense better. One gripe that I have with Capers is I think that he is loosing the team. By this I mean, in our first year we consistently played aggressive and stayed in games. We never seemed to come out flat (exept Cinci), now we seem to be hit or miss. Kill or be killed and not able to play a full four quarters. Maybe with a couching change we can change that. What do yall think?
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No chance. Capers is not going anywhere. I think he has done a fine job.
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where exactly did you read this???

i think that holmgren is a highly overrated coach. he was more lucky than good in greenbay, and has had menial success with a very talented seattle team. Though he is a high profile coach, he isnt half as good as his protege andy ried.

that being said, i think that carr and johnson would be a natural fit in the west coast offense... IMO, best case scenerio would be to keep the capers' 3-4 D and hire a west coast oriented offensive coordinator to manage the offense.
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Well Holgren would instantly give us primetime respect.
As far as primetime respect, the Texans have played in primetime twice and both times had as respectable showings as you could ever ask for. I don't think HolMgren would do any good on that front.
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What has Holmgren ever done without Favre? I think you guys are fine with Capers.
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I think that the Texans should shake things up a bit, but I'm still not sure that Capers is the entire problem or that Holmgren would actually be that different. Holmren's success at Green Bay had a lot to do with the people around him, most of which have moved on to better coaching positions. If we could attract a decent Offensive Coordinator, I think that we would see a major improvement in the Texans performance. But I'm not sure that swapping Capers out is the answer just yet. I'll say this though, if Capers does not realize that Palmer is not getting it done, the whole staff will be sent packing. Contrary to what a few posters on this site think, the majority of Texans fans are more than ready for a change. When that happens, change is never far behind.
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Capers has done a fine job. We've progressed every year what more can you ask.
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Capers has done a fine job. We've progressed every year what more can you ask.
ummmm... Quicker Progress.... .. you asked...
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We have not progressed that much. We improved 1 game last season and 2 games so far this season against a much weaker schedule than last year. Improvement is more productivity from the offense. We haven't gotten that. Improvement is not making the same old stupid mistakes. We still do that. In terms of talent this team has grown by leaps and bounds. In terms of success on the field, there has been little improvement. The improvement that we have seen is far more from the influx of more talent thru the draft than anything that coaching has brought us. San Diego, Pittsburgh, and the Jets are all teams that have about the same amount of talent that the Texans have. The difference is better coaching. The Texans are building a team with good players, but they will need the appropriate coaching to progress further. Carr is a talented guy, but he has been coached into a hole. He makes bad decisions often and is not fundamentally sound with his throwing motion or they way he handles himself in the pocket. That is because he has not been taught the position of NFL QB very well. That's Palmer's job and he's not very good at it.
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where exactly did you read this???
I heard it on sports radio 610 with John Mclain.
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I love the Texans. Ive traveled a couple of times to see them (yes Chicago was that cold) so please dont think Im jumping off of a band wagon. First I agree that Capers is not the problem. I like him personally, but can you change Palmer without Capers? Run-run-pass. I also agree that Holgren has not done much since GB, I kinda made the same point, but I think hed be better for Carr. Im glad that we have made improvement, but like I said, we have taken steps back as well. All I have to say is playoff next year.

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San Diego, Pittsburgh, and the Jets are all teams that have about the same amount of talent that the Texans have. The difference is better coaching.
Funny you should use these teams as examples. San Diego (4-12), Pittsburgh (6-10), and the Jets (6-10), all had worse records than we have this year and made no drastic changes and are all playoff teams this year. Looks to me, we have a better record than all of them before they made a solid playoff run this year.
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Funny you should use these teams as examples. San Diego (4-12), Pittsburgh (6-10), and the Jets (6-10), all had worse records than we have this year and made no drastic changes and are all playoff teams this year. Looks to me, we have a better record than all of them before they made a solid playoff run this year.
There also teams that could have given up on their coaches, but they decided to stick it out.
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Funny you should use these teams as examples. San Diego (4-12), Pittsburgh (6-10), and the Jets (6-10), all had worse records than we have this year and made no drastic changes and are all playoff teams this year. Looks to me, we have a better record than all of them before they made a solid playoff run this year.
Yeah, but they improved this year, the Texans did not. Why is that? My best guess and that of most Texans fans and many around the NFL is coaching. Holgren would not be making statements like that if he did not feel that there was a significant chance that the Texans would make a change. I don't doubt that there will not be a coaching change, but there should be some significant shake up at this point, cause things aren't working.
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Yeah, but they improved this year, the Texans did not. Why is that?
We went from a 2nd year, start-from-scratch NFL expansion team to 8-8. You have no patience at all apparently.
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The run-run-pass everyone complains about is more about Capers philosphy than Palmer. Personally, I would love to see Capers as the 3-4 D coordinator, Palmer as the O-coordinator, and someone else as the head coach. Having said that, all in all, we are at 7 wins, which was my prediction coming into this year. If we get to 8, then that's all gravy as far as I am concerned. If Mr. Biped is unhappy with 8-8, then he needs to get a reality check. We are in no way as mature of a team as those he mentioned. In addtion, we are far ahead of Cleveland, who was the last expansion team, AND they have had about 3 more years to do it. I think every GM in the league would take the Texans 53 man roster vs. the Browns roster, and we have been in business 3 years. Relax! Rome wasn't built in a day. Conficious say - The fire that burn hottest also burn out quickest.
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I'm just wondering if Harry Biped and Ibar Harry have the same IP address.

Or is it just a chicken-little attitude that comes from anyone named Harry?
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We went from a 2nd year, start-from-scratch NFL expansion team to 8-8. You have no patience at all apparently.
The Texans are not 8-8 yet and they have a terrible record when it comes to games like this one coming up. Certainly, I'm hoping for 8-8, but it is still just a mediocre showing from a franchise that has many more advantages that most in the NFL do right now. When this team was put together, there was an emphasis on winning by year 3. Now everybody is saying it was a four year plan. I have seen and heard Charley Casserly contradict all of that. His intention was to become winners as quickly as possible without hurting the team's long term future. He has express disappointment several times over the last 2 seasons about the way things have not gone as planned and inferred in a interview on TV about half way thru this year that they would make "whatever changes they had to make to improve the team in the offseason". You may not have been paying attention to that, but I was. I know that there is the sentiment that I'm not being patient, but my point is that some things that don't work today, won't work in a year or 2 either, because it is a flawed philosophy. Make the changes now and be ahead of the game. That's all. I'm not looking to completely overhaul the entire system, just improve the offense. With a better offensive philosophy, we are a playoff team right now and everyone is happy.
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The Texans are not 8-8 yet and they have a terrible record when it comes to games like this one coming up. Certainly, I'm hoping for 8-8, but it is still just a mediocre showing from a franchise that has many more advantages that most in the NFL do right now. When this team was put together, there was an emphasis on winning by year 3. Now everybody is saying it was a four year plan. I have seen and heard Charley Casserly contradict all of that. His intention was to become winners as quickly as possible without hurting the team's long term future. He has express disappointment several times over the last 2 seasons about the way things have not gone as planned and inferred in a interview on TV about half way thru this year that they would make "whatever changes they had to make to improve the team in the offseason". You may not have been paying attention to that, but I was. I know that there is the sentiment that I'm not being patient, but my point is that some things that don't work today, won't work in a year or 2 either, because it is a flawed philosophy. Make the changes now and be ahead of the game. That's all. I'm not looking to completely overhaul the entire system, just improve the offense. With a better offensive philosophy, we are a playoff team right now and everyone is happy.
Oh lord harry i expected you to say something like this. Ok OK lets be like the chicago bears or the cleveland browns, maybe the arizona cardinals they seem to get a new coach every year just cause things dont work out !!! And WOW look at how great their organizations are !!! Some people are so ignorant !!!
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