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Old 10-13-2008   #1
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Did it occur to anyone else that the best course of action when the fins got into postion on their last drive was to let them score on first down rather than eating up clock since they only needed 1 a FG to win! By allowing them to score quickly Schuab and the offense would have a chance to score as they did.

You dont see teams do it very often but if you have faith in your offense in a situation like that when a team is already in FG position you save yourself valuable time on the game clock.

Just a random thought from the game!
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Did it occur to anyone else that the best course of action when the fins got into postion on their last drive was to let them score on first down rather than eating up clock since they only needed 1 a FG to win! By allowing them to score quickly Schuab and the offense would have a chance to score as they did.

You dont see teams do it very often but if you have faith in your offense in a situation like that when a team is already in FG position you save yourself valuable time on the game clock.

Just a random thought from the game!
It did to me. In fact when the Dolphins scored I was glad. It left us 1:45 on the clock and two time outs. Otherwise, even if we had stopped them they would have kicked a FG with 40 seconds left and no TO's.

I think everyone on the field understood the situation. It was a good move.
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Did it occur to anyone else that the best course of action when the fins got into postion on their last drive was to let them score on first down rather than eating up clock since they only needed 1 a FG to win! By allowing them to score quickly Schuab and the offense would have a chance to score as they did.

You dont see teams do it very often but if you have faith in your offense in a situation like that when a team is already in FG position you save yourself valuable time on the game clock.

Just a random thought from the game!
Yes, I mentioned it to my wife that it would be better if we DON'T have a big goal-line stand because it would save our time outs and give us more time to work with.

I don't think that's why Mario whiffed but I'd like to think it was just a huge act on his part to conceal that momentary lack of balance. OTOH, just imagine if Mario had come clean in there and hit him so hard that he forced a fumble.

That would have rooled.

Except they probably would have recovered it and gotten another first down.
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Yes, I mentioned it to my wife that it would be better if we DON'T have a big goal-line stand because it would save our time outs and give us more time to work with.

I don't think that's why Mario whiffed but I'd like to think it was just a huge act on his part to conceal that momentary lack of balance. OTOH, just imagine if Mario had come clean in there and hit him so hard that he forced a fumble.

That would have rooled.

Except they probably would have recovered it and gotten another first down.
Nah, are you kidding? This was as big of a master stroke since Kris Brown's 'knowledgeable' shank to give us the first 2006 pick.

I place all kudos on a certain Mr Smith.

All joking aside though, it worked out real well, whether intentional or not, and allowed us to win the ball game.
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Its a damn strange position to be in and Im not sure how the defense would feel about it. However its like was said earlier intentional or not this time it shows that its something to be considered in those rare situations where its a gimmie field goal to win the game with 2 minutes or so left.
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Yes, I mentioned it to my wife that it would be better if we DON'T have a big goal-line stand because it would save our time outs and give us more time to work with.

I don't think that's why Mario whiffed but I'd like to think it was just a huge act on his part to conceal that momentary lack of balance. OTOH, just imagine if Mario had come clean in there and hit him so hard that he forced a fumble.

That would have rooled.

Except they probably would have recovered it and gotten another first down.
I think that sez it all about the state of our defense. We had a two pt lead and nobody in the stadium expected our defense to be able to protect it.
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I think that sez it all about the state of our defense. We had a two pt lead and nobody in the stadium expected our defense to be able to protect it.
Well, after that big completion to Ronnie Brown down to the 12, it was too late. The lead was gone. At that point, letting them score quickly gave us the best chance of answering back.

PRIOR to the completion (when they were still in Miami territory), I was hoping our D was going to stop them. And had actually been ecstatic with Eugene Wilson and our stout defense on that 3rd down stop... until it wasn't a stop but a give back with a fresh set of downs.

OK. You're right. I didn't expect our D to stop them. I was having flashbacks to the Buffalo game a couple of years ago.
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Yes, I mentioned it to my wife that it would be better if we DON'T have a big goal-line stand because it would save our time outs and give us more time to work with.

I don't think that's why Mario whiffed but I'd like to think it was just a huge act on his part to conceal that momentary lack of balance. OTOH, just imagine if Mario had come clean in there and hit him so hard that he forced a fumble.

That would have rooled.

Except they probably would have recovered it and gotten another first down.
Just a hunch, but I've watched that play several times on DVR, now, and I think Mario had one thing on his mind - GET THE QUARTERBACK.

The play was basically a draw play. Pennington took the snap and ran back to Brown and handed off. It seemed to me Mario might have thought it was just fake handoff and was actually trying to go around Brown to get after Pennington - In an instant, he was faked out of his shoes when he realized it really was a handoff....

After the Dolphins kick the point-after, Mario could be seen making a gesture like he was still steaming about it all....
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This is what I said the play before they scored.

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should of just let him score. At least then we would of had a chance to come back and win. Now they are just going to run down the clock and kick a field goal.
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Did it occur to anyone else that the best course of action when the fins got into postion on their last drive was to let them score on first down rather than eating up clock since they only needed 1 a FG to win! By allowing them to score quickly Schuab and the offense would have a chance to score as they did.

You dont see teams do it very often but if you have faith in your offense in a situation like that when a team is already in FG position you save yourself valuable time on the game clock.

Just a random thought from the game!
I did think this at first to be honest, but then I remembered that at this point in the game, Miami NEEDED a score to get ahead. If they had opted to screw around burning time off the clock, they might not have been able to make the score they needed. Retrospect and all that one could argue that they should have indeed done this, but when there's 2 minutes left on the clock and you're down one score you score whenever you can and 'hope' that your D is able to step up, or that the opposing team makes a mistake and drops the game. Also, a FG would not be enough for Miami to be SURE to grab the victory, it would be alot easier for us to respond with a FG with 30sec left on the clock.
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Our offense is horrible at scoring TDs. I would have preferred to use up our Timeouts and need only a FG with around a minute left.

It ended up working out, but if I was the coach, I would have tried to stop them
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Our offense is horrible at scoring TDs. I would have preferred to use up our Timeouts and need only a FG with around a minute left.

It ended up working out, but if I was the coach, I would have tried to stop them
Our defense has yet to stop anybody in the redzone. Honestly, there was no doubt in my mind that the Phins were going to score after recovering the interception/fumble. That is sad I know, but I have little to no faith in our D.

Our offense's % of scoring a TD is 20 times better than the defense's chances of stopping a drive, much less a goal line stand.

But, our defense usually get's better as the season progresses. That's the way it's been since Smith has been DC. That's probably why he's still here.
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I think that sez it all about the state of our defense. We had a two pt lead and nobody in the stadium expected our defense to be able to protect it.
We did protect it though. We got an interception that would've sealed the game. Only problem is we thought we could run it back and ended up fumbling it.
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That was the right thing to do. The defense wasn't going to hold them to a FG without burning timeouts.
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Let me first say I love the NFL replay on NFLN! Damn its nice.

I watched the 2 and 5 play and noticed a few things that make me wonder if we let them score after all.

1: Mario's wif just didnt look right

2: Watch how early Diles dives at the feet

3: Watch TJ fall like he was suddenly shot in the back!

Seemed like alot of people jusy fell down if they had a chance. Oh well I love a good consipracy!
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I think I remember a similar situation with one of the Packers' SB games back in the early 90s... worked out well that time too...
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It did to me, but considering schaub's early struggles & how we had been unable to rise to the occasion in other games, i was sure we were about to take another loss whether we held them to a fg or if we let them in the end zone.

I just did not think we had it in us to do what we did that last drive......It was a hell of a way to bounce back from the Indy game. Hopefully now we can use that to build confidence for these next couple of games & the rest of the season.
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I think I remember a similar situation with one of the Packers' SB games back in the early 90s... worked out well that time too...
Yeah, the one that comes to mind for me is the Broncos/patriots game a few years back when Belicheat let the broncos score to preserve time for brady & co...worked for them too.
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