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Old 10-12-2008   #81
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Default Re: Sick of Schaub?

Amazing how many weak excuses are made for Schaub's play when we win, but when we lose it's like a firing squad in here.

Look, Schaub did not play that well. He made some nice throws, he made some terrible throws. He made some throws to wide open receivers, and he missed some throws to wide open receivers.

The Dolphins secondary is probably the worst in the league, and we should have known that we were going to throw it alot on them today. Atleast, I did. I don't know about you guys.

He made terrible decisions on those two picks. There were 3 other throws where he should have been picked off. One was a tipped ball, the other two he just threw directly into the chest of the defender.

I don't care if he is pressured. Good QBs don't make mistakes OFTEN under pressure like Schaub does. Good QBs move around the pocket and make plays. Good QBs don't throw 5 passes into the chest of defenders in one game on a NORMAL BASIS. I understand that the Dolphins only capitlized on two, doesn't change the fact that they are all bad decisions.

You guys are funny. Had the Dolphins defender caught that pass Schaub threw to AJ in the endzone, that hit the defender square in the chest, on third down at the end of the game you guys would be going crazy. But he dropped it and some of you guys are hailing Schaub.

Goofy funny.
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Old 10-12-2008   #82
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Leave it to a guy to throw for almost 400 yards, 1 TD 2 picks 1 TD run and he's getting shat on.

Meanwhile, some Rosencopter throws for about half of that, has a huge undeniable meltdown late in the game (Which has happened on multiple occasions) and is hailed as a savior.

Some of you guys seem to just want to hate the quarterback. Face it, it wasn't our running game or our defense that really won this one. It was the passing game, the good and bad parts of it.
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I don't know who's calling for Sage, but not being real impressed with Schaub today does not necesarilly mean wanting Rosencopter out there. What's so bothersome is that Schaub was lucky not to have about 6 picks instead of 2.
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ESPN throws a jab at Houston fans by writing how fans were shouting "We want Sage" and then the same ones cheering for Schaub as he ran in.
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Leave it to a guy to throw for almost 400 yards, 1 TD 2 picks 1 TD run and he's getting shat on.

Meanwhile, some Rosencopter throws for about half of that, has a huge undeniable meltdown late in the game (Which has happened on multiple occasions) and is hailed as a savior.

Some of you guys seem to just want to hate the quarterback. Face it, it wasn't our running game or our defense that really won this one. It was the passing game, the good and bad parts of it.
We could have Joe Montana and some folks would be griping.
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Leave it to a guy to throw for almost 400 yards, 1 TD 2 picks 1 TD run and he's getting shat on.

Meanwhile, some Rosencopter throws for about half of that, has a huge undeniable meltdown late in the game (Which has happened on multiple occasions) and is hailed as a savior.

Some of you guys seem to just want to hate the quarterback. Face it, it wasn't our running game or our defense that really won this one. It was the passing game, the good and bad parts of it.
He outplayed ronnie brown, big deal
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He outplayed ronnie brown, big deal
Nope, he outplayed the other QB on the Texans roster.
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Schaub has the physical talent to make a good QB in the NFL. But his decision making is not that great yet, and he still tries to force throws into double coverage.

But he won the game for us today, so kudos for Schaub.
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Take away the last 4 min of the last game Sage.

Or Schaub this game?

It's funny how we have to take away those last 4 minutes, but the last 4 minutes are the most important minutes of a game. That's when you make plays to win a game or lose a game. I'll take a Qb who starts off bad but then comes back and makes plays to win rather than a QB who plays great for 4 and a half qrts. and single handedly blows a 17 point lead in the last 5 minutes.
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It's funny how we have to take away those last 4 minutes, but the last 4 minutes are the most important minutes of a game. That's when you make plays to win a game or lose a game. I'll take a Qb who starts off bad but then comes back and makes plays to win rather than a QB who plays great for 4 and a half qrts. and single handedly blows a 17 point lead in the last 5 minutes.
Not everybody is calling for Sage, just criticizing Schaub's play.

Tell me, had the Dolphins defender caught the third down pass to AJ at the end of the game, as he should have (it hit him in the chest), would you be talking about how Schaub "made plays to win"?

If anything OUR RECEIVERS won this game for us. Shit, AJ saved the drive on 4th and 10 when he snagged an almost impossible catch that Schaub forced. Don't really blame Schaub on THAT throw because it's 4th and 10.

The receivers were getting open ALL game. Making nice catches. I think they were the #1 reason we won this game. How about Walter getting WIDE OPEN at the end of the game for like a 40 yards catch, put us in the red zone?

It's funny when the Dolphins drop interceptions and people ignore it as a bad throw/decision.
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Just got back from the game and honestly I really didnt expect to see this thread when the guy threw for almost 400 yards today. But, to each their own I figure.
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ESPN throws a jab at Houston fans by writing how fans were shouting "We want Sage" and then the same ones cheering for Schaub as he ran in.
Rightly so. Just like those idiots screaming "We Want Steve" at the Rockets games last year.
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I'd like to point out that Schaub had 2 INTs but still won the game
Rosenfels had 3 TOs but lost the game (and singlehandedly lost it at that)
Schaub gave up 2 turnovers but one was covered up by our defense
Rosefels gave up a game with his turnovers late in the game to a team that you need to play perfectly against.
I agree Schaub made a lot of mistakes that could have turned the game the other way. But in the end Schaub's play won us the game.
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Not everybody is calling for Sage, just criticizing Schaub's play.

Tell me, had the Dolphins defender caught the third down pass to AJ at the end of the game, as he should have (it hit him in the chest), would you be talking about how Schaub "made plays to win"?

If anything OUR RECEIVERS won this game for us. Shit, AJ saved the drive on 4th and 10 when he snagged an almost impossible catch that Schaub forced. Don't really blame Schaub on THAT throw because it's 4th and 10.

The receivers were getting open ALL game. Making nice catches. I think they were the #1 reason we won this game. How about Walter getting WIDE OPEN at the end of the game for like a 40 yards catch, put us in the red zone?

It's funny when the Dolphins drop interceptions and people ignore it as a bad throw/decision.
And how many of those near int's were tipped balls or because Schaub was hit as he threw? And yes Walter ran great routes today, But Schaub mad some good throws to get him the ball. And there were some great throws to Daniels to. That was an amazing grab by Andre, Schaub had to gamble there,and your superstar has to make a play,which he did.

I'm just giving Schaub props for grinding it out and rebounding from the 2 picks.
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And how many of those near int's were tipped balls or because Schaub was hit as he threw? And yes Walter ran great routes today, But Schaub mad some good throws to get him the ball. And there were some great throws to Daniels to. That was an amazing grab by Andre, Schaub had to gamble there,and your superstar has to make a play,which he did.

I'm just giving Schaub props for grinding it out and rebounding from the 2 picks.
1. 1 was a tipped ball.

Schaub has his moments. He isn't a terrible QB, he is just inconsistent. It's either inconsistency throughout the game or from game to game. He needs to fix that if he wants to remain a starter for years to come.

You still didn't answer my question:

Had the Dolphins defender caught the third down pass to AJ at the end of the game, as he should have (it hit him in the chest), would you be talking about how Schaub "made plays to win"? Or maybe I should say would you be talking about how Schaub made plays at the end of the game.
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I agree with you..he is very inconsistent.

To his credit he won the game.
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1. 1 was a tipped ball.

Schaub has his moments. He isn't a terrible QB, he is just inconsistent. It's either inconsistency throughout the game or from game to game. He needs to fix that if he wants to remain a starter for years to come.

You still didn't answer my question:

Had the Dolphins defender caught the third down pass to AJ at the end of the game, as he should have (it hit him in the chest), would you be talking about how Schaub "made plays to win"? Or maybe I should say would you be talking about how Schaub made plays at the end of the game.
I hate all these ifs. He made mistakes, no doubt, but the end result was that we pulled out a win. There are hundreds of ifs that we could be making right now. What if Spencer was still around, maybe the pressure from Brown's growing pains wouldn't have affected Schaub so much. What if Eugene Wilson hadn't fumbled? What if AJ hadn't fumbled? What if Jacoby hadn't run in the TD return? What if we had picked Reggie Bush?

Also, is anyone else getting annoyed by ATX coming in with one liners like "Schaub sucks." constantly?
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I hate all these ifs. He made mistakes, no doubt, but the end result was that we pulled out a win. There are hundreds of ifs that we could be making right now. What if Spencer was still around, maybe the pressure from Brown's growing pains wouldn't have affected Schaub so much. What if Eugene Wilson hadn't fumbled? What if AJ hadn't fumbled? What if Jacoby hadn't run in the TD return? What if we had picked Reggie Bush?

Also, is anyone else getting annoyed by ATX coming in with one liners like "Schaub sucks." constantly?
It's a point to show you that had the Dolphins capitilized on that throw, people would be singing a different tune around here. The defender's ability to catch a ball is something that Schaub has no control over.

Regarding the bolded part, my point is that if the Dolphins defender catches the pass that hits him in the chest, it's not a win. Schaub has no control over that. He, and we, are lucky that it wasn't picked.

What do you people expect after a game like this. Everyone to type YESSSSSSS, YAYYYY, WOOOOHOOO, for hours?

I already had my WOOOOOOO post, I am already to the point where I am analyzing the play of the team. Maybe I am just moving too fast here.
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Had the Dolphins defender caught the third down pass to AJ at the end of the game, as he should have (it hit him in the chest), would you be talking about how Schaub "made plays to win"? Or maybe I should say would you be talking about how Schaub made plays at the end of the game.
To answer your question no I wouldn't, but it wasn't, so I'm not going to criticize him for int's that didn't happen. There are several passes in every game that a QB gets away with.
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Maybe I am just moving too fast here.
Highly possible since some of us are just now getting home and meeting with negativity and that is just surprising....I don't know why, it just is.

I think the jury is still out on Schaub. I'll grant you that, at this red hot moment, he sure ain't the best QB in the NFL - or even #4. But, as a starter, he hasn't even played one whole season yet - unless this was his 16th start- given the fact that he was hurt so much last year.

I heard that Eli Manning said that it took him almost 3 years to learn the most important QB lesson - when not to pass. Schaub will be a much better QB if and when he learns this lesson.

One thing I will say - he is calm under pressure and he doesn't let a few interceptions slow him down - he doesn't give up. OK, that's two.

I, for one, am going to be happy we managed to win this game when I didn't think we could pull it out and hope we got enough confidence to not fall apart next week. We have a few winnable games ahead of us.
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