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Old 10-05-2008   #1
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I have watchined the game twice since I got home and the people blaming Kubiak are off base! Sage screwed the damn pooch! I have watched the whole game again and the last 5 minutes about a dozen (call it shock therapy)O.

Colts scored with 4:04 left putting us up by 10, the onside attempt failed and we got the ball on the 38.

1st play Run Green 1 yard gain
2nd play run Green 1 yard gain
3rd play Sage rolls out with room to run fails to slide or run to the sideline at the 35 (FG range?) and instead goes flying Wallenda and you know the rest.


Colts kick off we get he ball at our 19 with 3:36 to go.

1st. play Slaton 2 yard run
2nd play Pick play with quick pass to Slatonin behind AJ, Sage puts the ball in the ground.
3rd play: Sage rolls out with room open field in front but trys to point and direct traffic and fails to protect the ball striped from behind by Mathis at the 17 Again you know the rest!

In both cases the line was stacked with Colts defends knowing we would run and the naked boot worked great except for the failure to protect the ball!

I wont usually blame a loss on one guy even if an int for a td or missed kick cost us a victory because usually others left points on the field or allowed points. But in this case Sage gave up esentially 14 points on his own by failing to protect the ball. On the last drive you can see the intensity on Sage's face trying to make amends for the first fumble.

What a waste of a great effort of the entire team and coaching staff today vs a team that has had our number!
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Look no further than the first drive you quoted - Green, Green. No Slaton? Kubiak just getting cute again.

The second drive you quoted, the one after Rosencopter's feeble rushing attempt, is missing the shotgun formation on third down. Putting the ball in Rosenfels hands after the whole team was having an oh shit moment, like we all were, was idiotic. Kubiak does not know how to win and is to cute for is own good.
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Look no further than the first drive you quoted - Green, Green. No Slaton? Kubiak just getting cute again.

The second drive you quoted, the one after Rosencopter's feeble rushing attempt, is missing the shotgun formation on third down. Putting the ball in Rosenfels hands after the whole team was having an oh shit moment, like we all were, was idiotic. Kubiak does not know how to win and is to cute for is own good.

Green did alright though, yeah he didn't do good those carries but at that point it's very hard to run the ball.

The next fumble he HAD to go for the win. A 3 point lead WAS NOT going to stand up against the Colts...it WAS NOT going to. So calling to pass for 8 yards was correct...but Sage just messed up again.
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Look no further than the first drive you quoted - Green, Green. No Slaton? Kubiak just getting cute again.

The second drive you quoted, the one after Rosencopter's feeble rushing attempt, is missing the shotgun formation on third down. Putting the ball in Rosenfels hands after the whole team was having an oh shit moment, like we all were, was idiotic. Kubiak does not know how to win and is to cute for is own good.
Totally agree. For Kubiak to call a pass play in that situation shows his inability to finish a game.
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Green did alright though, yeah he didn't do good those carries but at that point it's very hard to run the ball.

The next fumble he HAD to go for the win. A 3 point lead WAS NOT going to stand up against the Colts...it WAS NOT going to. So calling to pass for 8 yards was correct...but Sage just messed up again.
Green played well, but Slaton can break off a run at anytime. I know Sage is a professional, but once he went aerial and lost the ball - our best offense was run, run, run and leave it to our best unit on this day to close out the game - the defense.
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The thing that still bothers me is that when you have a good lead and little time is left in the game you run the ball "I mean hello you play to win the game." Sorry had to throw that in there
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I would disagree, just like on the first drive of the game for the Texans we had to set up the run with short pasees. Up by three we had to get a first and get off our of 17, if we had to punt from our 17 they are damn near in AV's field goal range already. Slaton was good for a yard or two when they stacked the box like they did at the end of the game when they knew we were going to try and burn clock. Slatin did not get any running room until we strated passing in our second possession. If Sage had rollled out on that boot and protected the ball, or felt the presence of colt defense we get more rushing yards from him than all RB's combined on the last 8 plays!
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Totally agree. For Kubiak to call a pass play in that situation shows his inability to finish a game.
No way, I will argue with anybody about this all day long. I was sitting at home watching the game praying for a PA exactly like that and everything went great until the fumble. I would not have had a problem with a third running play either to burn a TO but we get the same result or better with Sage rolling out and either making an easy first down completion or sliding.
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Sage single handedly caused the worst loss in Texans history...

...Bribg back Tony Banks...end this contriversy
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I would disagree, just like on the first drive of the game for the Texans we had to set up the run with short pasees. Up by three we had to get a first and get off our of 17, if we had to punt from our 17 they are damn near in AV's field goal range already. Slaton was good for a yard or two when they stacked the box like they did at the end of the game when they knew we were going to try and burn clock. Slatin did not get any running room until we strated passing in our second possession. If Sage had rollled out on that boot and protected the ball, or felt the presence of colt defense we get more rushing yards from him than all RB's combined on the last 8 plays!
Sage was a liability after the first fumble. The defense was rock solid all day. Until we gave a 74 yard drive on what was pretty much a prevent defense we had held them to ~250 yards through 3.5 quarters.
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Wait, are you talking about the second fumble or the first?
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Green played well, but Slaton can break off a run at anytime. I know Sage is a professional, but once he went aerial and lost the ball - our best offense was run, run, run and leave it to our best unit on this day to close out the game - the defense.
I agree that Slaton should have had the ball 3 times and Kubiak got cute. But i'm sure Kube's never told Sage to dive for it as conservative as Kubes plays sometimes.

The second drive...we were up by 3 right? I don't care what defense you put on the field, you tell Peyton Manning he has a shot to take the lead and win the game...he'll win it 9/10. Once Sage fumbled the first it was over simply because our players were still in shock...and then post game quotes...one of the Colts players felt that once that fumbled happened...THEY KNEW they were going to win.

On the other hand i'm mad because the players are all saying how great of a game they played...despite losing. Yet the Colts are pissed at themselves despite winning. I think THIS is where Kubiak fails.
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Ah man ******* Tom Jackson talking about how Manning won he ********** game for the Colts because hes that good.
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Look no further than the first drive you quoted - Green, Green. No Slaton? Kubiak just getting cute again.

The second drive you quoted, the one after Rosencopter's feeble rushing attempt, is missing the shotgun formation on third down. Putting the ball in Rosenfels hands after the whole team was having an oh shit moment, like we all were, was idiotic. Kubiak does not know how to win and is to cute for is own good.
just so that i'm understanding correctly ... with 4 minutes left in the game it's getting cute to use a veteran starter at runningback instead of a 4th game rookie? it seems like the smart move for a coaching staff with a lead is to keep the ball in the hands of your veterans. when the veteran runningback cant get past a 9 in the box defense, you move your veteran quarterback into space where he can make a smart decision.

what happens if slaton fumbles on one of those runs? "what moronic coach gives the ball to a rookie?!?!" fire him!

i understand being frustrated but these posts are just getting silly.
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I agree that Slaton should have had the ball 3 times and Kubiak got cute. But i'm sure Kube's never told Sage to dive for it as conservative as Kubes plays sometimes.

The second drive...we were up by 3 right? I don't care what defense you put on the field, you tell Peyton Manning he has a shot to take the lead and win the game...he'll win it 9/10. Once Sage fumbled the first it was over simply because our players were still in shock...and then post game quotes...one of the Colts players felt that once that fumbled happened...THEY KNEW they were going to win.

On the other hand i'm mad because the players are all saying how great of a game they played...despite losing. Yet the Colts are pissed at themselves despite winning. I think THIS is where Kubiak fails.
We are not good enough to get cute, bad teams that play cute have this type of shit happen to them. I said it in the stands and I will say it now - I wanted the ball in Manning's hands more than I wanted it in Sage's after the first fumble. I am not surprised at the outcome, just sick to my stomach that our coach does not get his own team's strength and weaknesses. He has no feel for in-game play in my opinion.
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just so that i'm understanding correctly ... with 4 minutes left in the game it's getting cute to use a veteran starter at runningback instead of a 4th game rookie? it seems like the smart move for a coaching staff with a lead is to keep the ball in the hands of your veterans. when the veteran runningback cant get past a 9 in the box defense, you move your veteran quarterback into space where he can make a smart decision.

what happens if slaton fumbles on one of those runs? "what moronic coach gives the ball to a rookie?!?!" fire him!

i understand being frustrated but these posts are just getting silly.
Yeah it was cute, when your best back this year is not in the backfield and we give it to a veteran who has struggled to be in the line up for the last two years. Sage is a veteran, how did that work out?
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did the best back do anything on the next series? no, he got stuffed also. the outside slant was cute, i'll give you that one. the reason we lost is sage rosenfels. sage slides or throws it out of bounds (like he's supposed to) and we probably win. if sage throws it away when nothing's available the second time (like he's supposed to) we probably win.

sage got too cute. i'm amazed someone would place his singular blame on someone else.
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did the best back do anything on the next series? no, he got stuffed also. the outside slant was cute, i'll give you that one. the reason we lost is sage rosenfels. sage slides or throws it out of bounds (like he's supposed to) and we probably win. if sage throws it away when nothing's available the second time (like he's supposed to) we probably win.

sage got too cute. i'm amazed someone would place his singular blame on someone else.
The coaches put players in position to make plays via having them on the field and the play that is called. All I know is that when Sage fumbled the first time I did not want him dropping back or running it on the next drive. Kubiak, thought otherwise. That is a problem. This is not all on Sage, he is like Mongo - just a pawn in the game of life.
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Look no further than the first drive you quoted - Green, Green. No Slaton? Kubiak just getting cute again.

The second drive you quoted, the one after Rosencopter's feeble rushing attempt, is missing the shotgun formation on third down. Putting the ball in Rosenfels hands after the whole team was having an oh shit moment, like we all were, was idiotic. Kubiak does not know how to win and is to cute for is own good.
I was freakin' dumbfounded with Kubiak giving Green the ball. Your best RB should have been in the backfield, and that's not Green. Slaton had been running all over the Colts the whole damn day, and he should be the one to get the ball. He can pick up yardage. Green up the gut twice for one yard apiece? PLEASE.

Kubes is giving me a case of the horribles. Bill Cowher even leaves his house to go get the morning paper, I would be on him like white on rice if I were McNair. This football team needs a hard nosed coach who will put the "balls" back into football. I want a mean and nasty coach who spits on people when he yells and gets his guys to go out there and hurt people.
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I was freakin' dumbfounded with Kubiak giving Green the ball. Your best RB should have been in the backfield, and that's not Green. Slaton had been running all over the Colts the whole damn day, and he should be the one to get the ball. He can pick up yardage. Green up the gut twice for one yard apiece? PLEASE.

Kubes is giving me a case of the horribles. Bill Cowher even leaves his house to go get the morning paper, I would be on him like white on rice if I were McNair. This football team needs a hard nosed coach who will put the "balls" back into football. I want a mean and nasty coach who spits on people when he yells and gets his guys to go out there and hurt people.
I haver not called for Kubiak to be fired, but I sure would like the identity and attitude that a Cowher regime would bring. We have never had attitude here.
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