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Old 10-05-2008   #81
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I'm not going to crucify you for stating your opinion. . .

But if Schaub was the QB and the defense was coming up big like it was, that game would've been won and stayed won. I know it's easy to say that in hindsight, but I stand by that statement.
If the defense made ONE play in the Jags game we'd be 2-2 right now...wow what a thought huh?
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1st fumble was his fault majorly.

2nd fumble was just good D on the other team.

The INT was his fault.

Like I said, I totally blame Sage for this loss, but I still think he's better than Schaub.

Plus you're all judging 3 games of Schaub's where he played poorly in 2. We're taking a smaller sampling of Sage and just making a judgment right there.
First of all. Look a the defenses, both pitt and Tenn have way better Defenses(hardly any Qbs have good games against them) than the Colts, and so does Jacksonville(and Schaub picked them apart). And our defense had the best game of the year today, They were solid until Sage put them in bad field position with turnovers. Our running game was clicking and yet somehow we still didn't come out with a victory because of Sage.
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call it a 'conspiracy theory' but perhaps even the Defense BELIEVED that Sage could win the game, when they DIDN'T believe that Schaub could. And they played like it.

Best Texans defense effort I've seen this year. Perhaps because even they BELIEVED, like I did, that we had a better chance with our BACKUP QB Rosenfels, and not with our other BACKUP QB Schaub.

Best news I heard all day was that Schaub wasn't the starter.

I had hope for a win with Sage. No hope whatsoever with Schaub, IMHO.
This is getting mighty close to the "fact" that Vince Young wins games; whether he's on the field or not.
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this is why he is a career backup

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First of all. Top to bottom. The entire team lost the games Matt played in. You can't place the blame on just one person unit or coach. Sage lost this game. Plain and simple. Don't give me that "He put us in a position to win" bs either. He had one job. One priority. And on two consecutive plays that you put the ball in his hands he was careless with it. IF you are going to pull that boneheaded move and jump, you better get both damn hands on the ball..

Next. Most of Schaub's mistakes came trying to rescue his team from some sort of disasterous situation. Being down 2 scores to the steelers, and your defense hasn't stopped them ALL DAY. Sages mistakes (well 2 of the 4, and the most costly two mistakes) came when he was well ahead. In my opinion, that leap, he was putting himself first... trying to "win the game" and look good doing it. There was NO reason to do that. Schaub made mistakes, granted, when the game was out of hand. He didn't necisarliy have hand in getting it there either. Sage was given a game you'd love to have. RBs running all over the place. Defense stopping people. Offense clicking, OL blocking, he had time to throw. He had indy back on their heels. He didn't pull it off.

Schaub has not played "great", but he would be 1-2 if not for the defense and special teams collapsing on him in Jacksonville. Sage is 0-1 after the rest of the team playing a perfect game. Sage was on his feet all day. His receivers were catching the ball.

Even his last pass. Throw that ball away. You have 42 seconds and 2 more downs to go half the field, with two time outs. Don't put a duck up there.
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It's obvious that Sage screwed up. But the truth is that with Schaub we probably wouldn't have been up to start with. Sage pushed the team to a large lead. Schaub wouldn't have, as he didn't in the other three games this year. The reason the first two were "team losses" (as if that makes it better) was that Schaub did not play well enough to raise the team out of the doldrums.

Sage is the guy who always tries harder. Today he had awful luck in the 4th, and bad judgment, too. But before that he did more with his weapons than Schaub ever will. Schaub is mediocre, bland, a true backup. Rosenfels is a guy whose heart is a little bigger than his talent.

And to those idjits who think Rosenfels was jumping because he was selfish and wanted the glory, play 1 game yourself. You want to win. You do anything to win. Sometimes you overestimate your capabilities.

This is a poor team that is poorly coached. We have maybe 1/3 of the talent we need to win. We are not ruthless enough top to bottom, and we don't work hard enough. We'll never get there with this staff and most of these players.
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The excuses are comical. It's hard not to think that there are trolls afoot.
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it's easy to bash Rosenfels for his mistakes. It is even easier to not recognize why everyone is feeling so let down. The reason there is such a violent reaction to this loss is quite easy to understand, actually.

HOPE

No one woke up today, and had any hope of us winning the game against the Colts. No one with any good football sense anyway. Our history didn't support it. Our playing sure didn't support. Our Defense didn't support. And our other backup QB, Schaub, didn't support it, even with a good game against the Jags last week. (final score on that one was a loss also btw Porky) And being down 10-0 before the 1st QTR was even over FOR SURE didn't support it.

But during that game Sage gave us the HOPE that we were going to win. He played well until the end, and the team played well till the end, and raised everyone's HOPE up to believe that we could win.

and then we lost. It isn't that we just lost, most of us expected that before kickoff, IMHO. But we lost AFTER we had raised up high HOPE'S of WINNING that one.

so for that, HOPE, I thank Rosenfels. For a brief moment I had HOPE restored that this team could play on an NFL level.

Something I didn't have with Schaub in at QB. Ever.

As for your final score, remark Porky. Rosenfel's has a better WIN percentage. Not to mention a heck of an effort last year to try and win the Titans game in Houston. That was a heartbreaker also, if I remember correctly. For the very same reason, HIGH HOPE's of an unbelievable comeback WIN.

Schaub has never proven to be better than Sage. Not once. He was given the job.
Apparently, you forgot Texans 34, Panthers 21. Similar game in many, many respects. The difference was that Schaub didn't single handedly blow the game for the Texans at the end.
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Apparently, you forgot Texans 34, Panthers 21. Similar game in many, many respects. The difference was that Schaub didn't single handedly blow the game for the Texans at the end.
More importantly...it was a team effort. The D-line was at it's peak early last season. Maybe not Mario, but certainly Amobi.
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More importantly...it was a team effort. The D-line was at it's peak early last season. Maybe not Mario, but certainly Amobi.
Right, just as in yesterday. Our D held the Colts to 17 points essentially (not counting the last gimme TD.) That is a winning effort against a high powered offense.
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Right, just as in yesterday. Our D held the Colts to 17 points essentially (not counting the last gimme TD.) That is a winning effort against a high powered offense.
For a second, I was excited Amobi got 1/2 a sack and Bulman rushed well. Then I remembered Jeff Saturday is the only healthy Colts lineman I can name.
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For a second, I was excited Amobi got 1/2 a sack and Bulman rushed well. Then I remembered Jeff Saturday is the only healthy Colts lineman I can name.
Not sure what that has to do with the actual results ?


How many Carolina linemen could you name ?
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Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.
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Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.
Yep. Additionally, you mentioned Saturday as being the only one healthy. He's actually playing injured. IIRC, he tore an mcl or pcl in pre-season.
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Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.

Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual results...

Our D did well against Carolina, and they did well yesterday against the Colts...

The reasons for them doing well aren't really relevant if we're just discussing reults...

The results are Schaub had a d that played well, So did Rosenfels....

One gave the game away, one didn't....

Not sure what the Colts having a makeshift line has to do with anything...
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thank you sage for sacrificing your body and doing everything you could to try to get a first down. still doesnt mean it wasnt the dumbest thing ive ever seen.
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Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual results...

Our D did well against Carolina, and they did well yesterday against the Colts...

The reasons for them doing well aren't really relevant if we're just discussing reults...

The results are Schaub had a d that played well, So did Rosenfels....

One gave the game away, one didn't....

Not sure what the Colts having a makeshift line has to do with anything...
You don't? Really? Remember David Carr? How he couldn't do anything with that line? And no, this has nothing to do with the QB's. I'm talking about the Texans' D.
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And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.

Can Sage's problems be fixed seeing he is a 10yr veteran still making retarded plays where Matt is a young qb with less than a seasons worth of games under his belt.There is a reason Sage has never been a starter and retarded turnovers is reason #1. Sage supports always harp on the comeback in the Titan game last year when him throwing all those picks created the Titans huge lead to begin with. Matt is our qb and nothing yesterday changed that fact,but if anything cemented that it was the last 4mins.
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Sage could have had 5 turnovers yesterday, and each one but the last was directly related to his boneheaded play and extremely poor decision making. The guy should never see the light of day again, especially considering the helicopter ride was completely inexcusable.

When is owevershp, FO, and coaching going to start holding people accountable?
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You don't? Really? Remember David Carr? How he couldn't do anything with that line? And no, this has nothing to do with the QB's. I'm talking about the Texans' D.
You are not making sense is what you are doing. BTW Ryan Kalil did play in that Carolina game. He gave up the sacks to Okoye. But what does this all have to do with your boy having the biggest melt down in this franchises history?
I loved how in his interview that he actually had to correct him self from saying "we made mistakes" to "I made mistakes" Yeah no kidding you made mistakes Sage, dont try and pawn that off on the rest of the team.

What I saw yesterday was pretty much one of the highest highs followed by the lowest low that I have felt for this team. And it all happened in 2 terrible minutes. This goes for everyone here, there is no chance that this was anyones fault but Sage's. Not Kubes, not Dick, not the defensive players, not Shanny. Simply Sage.

How does anyone not see that playing at home was the difference for the defense playing so well? That had little to nothing to do with who our QB was? Stop pretending that this was anything but Sage's fault.

BTW, I think that it's a disgrace that you want to thank someone for being a loser. I would rather vomit blood than watch the debacle that is Sage ever again.
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You are not making sense is what you are doing. BTW Ryan Kalil did play in that Carolina game. He gave up the sacks to Okoye. But what does this all have to do with your boy having the biggest melt down in this franchises history?
I loved how in his interview that he actually had to correct him self from saying "we made mistakes" to "I made mistakes" Yeah no kidding you made mistakes Sage, dont try and pawn that off on the rest of the team.

What I saw yesterday was pretty much one of the highest highs followed by the lowest low that I have felt for this team. And it all happened in 2 terrible minutes. This goes for everyone here, there is no chance that this was anyones fault but Sage's. Not Kubes, not Dick, not the defensive players, not Shanny. Simply Sage.

How does anyone not see that playing at home was the difference for the defense playing so well? That had little to nothing to do with who our QB was? Stop pretending that this was anything but Sage's fault.

BTW, I think that it's a disgrace that you want to thank someone for being a loser. I would rather vomit blood than watch the debacle that is Sage ever again.
Did I not just say this isn't about Rosenfels?
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