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Old 10-03-2008   #41
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Justice took a couple of quotes from him that are on a HT.com video too. As most reporters do, he took the quotes and made them much bigger than what they sounded like in the video. I doubt Justice was even present during the interview. lol

http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

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RJ is a Texan Hater...

He's trying to forecast doom and gloom by implying our best player wants to leave...


I don't see anything newsworthy here.
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Trading AJ would bring us a lot of picks, and maybe a current player that could upgrade a spot on our team.

If we're doing so fantastically well, on offense, without "needing" AJ...then maybe AJ's most effective as a blockbuster trade that gives us more players.

He's tired of losing. And I still think he's dogging it a little bit, even if it's nothing more than subconscious behavior by AJ.

I don't think he wants to be here anymore. So...let's make a deal.

Look, guys, we can't horde a player forever. And I don't think this team implodes without him. Especially if he's begun to grow tired of our team's losing ways. It could get very ugly, very quickly.

I say we should deal him and get something in return while we have him under contract. He's easily the missing piece on someone's football team who can change games on every catch.

Of course, he's possibly the best player we have. And, a lot of us fans are hanging our hats on "Oh yeah, well we have ANDRE JOHNSON!" If dealing AJ makes AJ happy (for once in his NFL career) and it gives us a boost in players/draft picks, then it's not a bad deal IMO. I thought this team was needing better players, with more talent? Well, this would be a way to shore it up a little. What could an AJ trade gain us? 1st rounder, or what?

Curious to see what you think his value would be.
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And I still think he's dogging it a little bit, even if it's nothing more than subconscious behavior by AJ.
I don't think he is "dogging" it. He may have some lingering effects from the injury, but "dogging" it implies a lack of heart, and AJ has heart.

The other teams are keying on AJ and he has not been able to take advantage of the limited opportunities thrown his way. Someone else needs to step up and make them pay for keying on AJ. That will open things up a bit, but they still will game plan around AJ since he is our best player.
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Why is this news?
Well, I don't know why it is 'news'.

However, I thought it was interesting in the context of my view of the Texans and Andre. Others commented on it from their perspectives of the Texans. A third group has commented on it from their perspectives of the writer.

And now we have a thread that discussed something I found interesting.
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Trading AJ would bring us a lot of picks, and maybe a current player that could upgrade a spot on our team.

If we're doing so fantastically well, on offense, without "needing" AJ...then maybe AJ's most effective as a blockbuster trade that gives us more players.

He's tired of losing. And I still think he's dogging it a little bit, even if it's nothing more than subconscious behavior by AJ.

I don't think he wants to be here anymore. So...let's make a deal.

Look, guys, we can't horde a player forever. And I don't think this team implodes without him. Especially if he's begun to grow tired of our team's losing ways. It could get very ugly, very quickly.

I say we should deal him and get something in return while we have him under contract. He's easily the missing piece on someone's football team who can change games on every catch.

Of course, he's possibly the best player we have. And, a lot of us fans are hanging our hats on "Oh yeah, well we have ANDRE JOHNSON!" If dealing AJ makes AJ happy (for once in his NFL career) and it gives us a boost in players/draft picks, then it's not a bad deal IMO. I thought this team was needing better players, with more talent? Well, this would be a way to shore it up a little. What could an AJ trade gain us? 1st rounder, or what?

Curious to see what you think his value would be.
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Trading AJ would bring us a lot of picks, and maybe a current player that could upgrade a spot on our team.

If we're doing so fantastically well, on offense, without "needing" AJ...then maybe AJ's most effective as a blockbuster trade that gives us more players.

He's tired of losing. And I still think he's dogging it a little bit, even if it's nothing more than subconscious behavior by AJ.

I don't think he wants to be here anymore. So...let's make a deal.

Look, guys, we can't horde a player forever. And I don't think this team implodes without him. Especially if he's begun to grow tired of our team's losing ways. It could get very ugly, very quickly.

I say we should deal him and get something in return while we have him under contract. He's easily the missing piece on someone's football team who can change games on every catch.

Of course, he's possibly the best player we have. And, a lot of us fans are hanging our hats on "Oh yeah, well we have ANDRE JOHNSON!" If dealing AJ makes AJ happy (for once in his NFL career) and it gives us a boost in players/draft picks, then it's not a bad deal IMO. I thought this team was needing better players, with more talent? Well, this would be a way to shore it up a little. What could an AJ trade gain us? 1st rounder, or what?

Curious to see what you think his value would be.
I would trade him in a heartbeat. For fair value that is and I don't really know what that would be ? And how onerous is his contract, the terms and all, in the eyes of a prospector trade-partner ?
I don't really think he's got the intensity he use to have and I'm sure he'd like
to have a chance with a SB contender, maybe just any team that's a serious
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I wonder if we could trade him for a good defensive coordinator......
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Big trades don't happen often in the NFL.

I think the remainder of any prorated signing bonus would immediately hit the Texans cap. If that is correct, I'd think it would be a deal breaker.
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Big trades don't happen often in the NFL.

I think the remainder of any prorated signing bonus would immediately hit the Texans cap. If that is correct, I'd think it would be a deal breaker.
Unless we were able to re-sign him to different terms BEFORE trading him?

What about doing that?

I bet Donovan McNabb would love to have a WR with T.O.'s skills but with AJ's mellow personality. And, IIRC, they have quite a bit of cap room. And don't they have a couple of DBs who are competing for the same starting spot? We could take one of those off their hands...

Couple it with a huge defense-tilted draft in rounds 1 and 2 in 2009, maybe make a push for a BONIFIED stud defensive player in free agency. And a new DC.
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Salary cap be damned, let's have a useless conversation about trading one of the top three players on the team away.

Oh and while we're at it, let's play Miss Cleo and look into his heart and mind and project our own feelings about the team.
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Only think that even makes me consider it is that he is now in his prime and the team still isn't. I'd want young, but proven NFL players with talent that met specific needs. A young, highly talented CB or DE would be a good START.
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Salary cap be damned, let's have a useless conversation about trading one of the top three players on the team away.

Oh and while we're at it, let's play Miss Cleo and look into his heart and mind and project our own feelings about the team.
I know I was projecting and using his quotes to back up what I think. I also am aware of other people in this thread doing the same thing. I think his quotes mean he's unhappy with the team: some think they mean he thinks the team is on the cusp of winning. That is why I made my earlier post about the article being viewed from different perspectives.

I know I get irritated when I see dissection of third person statements and usually try to avoid doing so. However, I see a strong case for Andre being unhappy outside of this article, and I don't like it. I used this article as a springboard for my views.

I will go further and say that if anyone thinks they are giving an unbiased opinion of the state the Texans one way or the other, they most likely aren't. Everyone's perceptions are filtered by their experiences and beliefs. In some instances these discussions might sway an opinion or two a small amount. In the end you are right though. It is all useless conversation.

I am also feeling a little guilty about my constant negativism. I think I've posted it ad nauseum and am no longer adding anything fresh to the discussion. I think it is time I take a lighter approach.
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Unless we were able to re-sign him to different terms BEFORE trading him?

What about doing that?

I bet Donovan McNabb would love to have a WR with T.O.'s skills but with AJ's mellow personality. And, IIRC, they have quite a bit of cap room. And don't they have a couple of DBs who are competing for the same starting spot? We could take one of those off their hands...
I would not trade AJ for Lito Sheppard or Sheldon Brown I don't care how many DB's they throw at us. Trading your decent players who are in their prime is just a bad deal, especially if that player is not openly pining for a new team. AJ is going to play for the Texans for at least the next couple of years and I don't think a new coach (if some of the posters get their respective wishes) would even entertain that idea. Much like an 11-5 record this year, I think trading AJ is a pipe dream, as well as a bad idea.

Why would you trade a proven first round talent for the chance to draft an expensive bust? That doesn't make sense to me. I also am of the belief that there's not really any DB's in the league that we could trade for that would have as much of a positive impact on our secondary, as trading AJ away would be a negative impact on WR corps.
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Salary cap be damned, let's have a useless conversation about trading one of the top three players on the team away.

Oh and while we're at it, let's play Miss Cleo and look into his heart and mind and project our own feelings about the team.
Gee whizz. Sorry for posting my opinion on a message board.

Did I run over your dog or something?

And we all know that you and a few others are capologists. I'm not. I was just wondering if it was plausible, wondering what his contract details and ramifications were of a possible trade.

And it's not a stretch to say AJ is unhappy here. He's a class act, and that's the only thing keeping him here IN MY OPINION. I've watched him go through a one-game funk before...but his whole body language and half-way routes tell me that his confidence in the Texans is dropping by the week.
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I know I was projecting and using his quotes to back up what I think. I also am aware of other people in this thread doing the same thing. I think his quotes mean he's unhappy with the team: some think they mean he thinks the team is on the cusp of winning. That is why I made my earlier post about the article being viewed from different perspectives.

I know I get irritated when I see dissection of third person statements and usually try to avoid doing so. However, I see a strong case for Andre being unhappy outside of this article, and I don't like it. I used this article as a springboard for my views.

I will go further and say that if anyone thinks they are giving an unbiased opinion of the state the Texans one way or the other, they most likely aren't. Everyone's perceptions are filtered by their experiences and beliefs. In some instances these discussions might sway an opinion or two a small amount. In the end you are right though. It is all useless conversation.

I am also feeling a little guilty about my constant negativism. I think I've posted it ad nauseum and am no longer adding anything fresh to the discussion. I think it is time I take a lighter approach.
And that's what I was trying to do: Trying to say "Maybe there's a win-win here, if AJ is unhappy."

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't around here. It seems some people just lurk around, waiting for someone to post something that can be ragged on.

Well at least I am trying to provide conversation, instead of flaming someone at random. I hate that crap the most of all on a message board. My "ideas" might not be right, or the best, but last time I checked...none of US on this board are anywhere near the operations of a football team.

So I think some people need to back their finger off the trigger of the flame thrower. It's. Just. An. Opinion. Like the moderators say: Stick to the topic, or move on and ignore the post if you have nothing to add but hateful remarks. Oh, that's only for the peon posters to obey. Sorry 'bout that...
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Well, crappola. It seems I've kicked off some unintended consequences here.

Let me suggest something a little different - let's all just drop it and move on. I know I've been getting irritated and been irritating in turn. I see nothing to gain with a bunch of finger pointing. I'm going to act the way I've heard adults are supposed to.

I'm rolling.
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"In coming to this organization, you knew there was going to be tough times. You just didn't think the tough times would last this long." --Andre Johnson, who didn't get to enjoy his 19th 100-yard game.
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