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Old 09-29-2008   #1
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Default Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

After watching yesterday's game & seeing the same thing i've seen for 6 years I couldn't help but think "If i see this dude ___________ 1 more time, my head's gonna explode." I ended up coming to the conclusion that certain players & coaches have to be gone next year, or i'll have to start seriously considering this team's commitment to winning & thereby reevaluate my allegiance to them. Here's my list.

Weaver - 1-2 sacks in 3 years? There are guys who come off the bench for other teams who have more than that. Terrible pass rusher & OK at run defense.

Faggins - has been here since the start & wasn't able to beat out an aging Coleman & Glenn then. Got his chance as the starter the last 2 years...it's confirmed.....he still sucks. he's okay as a nickel but since we just drafted molden, & faggins has already gotten his shot, doesn't it make more sense to get molden in there at the nickel to see what he's got?

TJ - he's another one who's been given chance after chance to live up to his billing & he's failed miserably. I sat & just watched him in the steelers/titans games & he just looks awful. To top it off, he's exactly what some on here say we need more of & the type of player McNair doesn't draft/pick up.......a knuclehead with attitude....... for those of you saying that how do ya still feel that way now?

Ahman Green / Chris Brown - I mean seriously, do i need to go into detail about these 2?

Richard Smith - I've pointed out in other threads that this guy has done nothing in his career to warrant keeping him around another season. He doesn't utilize his players' strengths, the defense isn't very cohesive in executing its stunts & blitzes & he seemingly isn't willing to take enough chances during the game so that they might get good at them. Yeah he doesn't have the best talent, but it's becoming more noticeable that his scheme sucks as i heard Adam Wexler mention it on the radio the other day.

John Hoke - Who's the common factor in our defensive secondary whoas every year since our inaguration year? Why is it that none of the Db's (except dunta) in our short history seem to be able to play the ball in the air very well? You guessed it & like it or not that falls on him. We have yet to be surprised by any of our late round DB prospects & every FA we bring in or release seems to either look worse here than they did at their previous teams or better than they did here. We also have yet to be pleasantly surprised by a late round DB stepping up in his tenure which is a stark contrast to almost every team in the league. IMO he's just overrated as a coach & it's time to try something new.

CC Brown - never had the talent to be a starter & shouldn't be one, yet for some reason Kubes thinks this guy is the 2nd coming of Steve Atwater & continues to start him. He doesn't tackle well, & has garbage hands although you'd never know that b/c he's not fast enough to cover the ground necessary to provide support to your CB's. he'd probably be okay in special teams...but so would a bunch of average NFL guys....let him go.

Greenwood- more known to fans for his sub-par rapping skills than actually making plays on the field. It's sad when you can play a whole game & fans don't even know you're in there. He'd be great on special teams but with what we're paying him, he would need to renegotiate. Otherwise i could care less if he were let go...it's not like we'd be missing big play capabilities.

Honorable mention: Chester Pitts, M. Briesel.

those are just the few off the top of my head.

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Green, Weaver and Reeves.

Liabilities all, and costing money too...
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Default Re: Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

Bad Assmunch , Band-Aid Backe and Jr. Towels are on my list.
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Default Re: Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

who do you suggest replace them? We started a 38 year old on the d-line yesterday. Weaver is too expensive to cut and nobody will trade. And, now that Brown is hurt we have a rook and a 2nd year 5th rounder fighting for a STARTING job. there is NO depth on this team and the FO tries to build through the draft and no big names have come into the locker room since Schaub and Green. these guys do need be cut but they wont be. sorry but I'm just the messenger.

And I like Greenwood's raps... just saying.
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Default Re: Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

I'm with you expect for Pitts.

I would add Myers at C, Diles at LB, Reeves at CB, and ANYONE playing safety, as the whole bunch of them together don't add up to one decent safety.
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TJ - he's another one who's been given chance after chance to live up to his billing & he's failed miserably. I sat & just watched him in the steelers/titans games & he just looks awful. To top it off, he's exactly what some on here say we need more of & the type of player McNair doesn't draft/pick up.......a knuclehead with attitude....... for those of you saying that how do ya still feel that way now?
Ummm, I'm not sure what you were watching in the Titan game--Johnson was on the inactive list for that one. Was he wearing an ugly suit on the sidelines, perhaps?

Johnson could be a decent player, but he is miscast in his current role. He is not a run-stuffer--he and Amobi are basically the same player. We need Okam to grow up in a hurry or find a good-run stuffer to anchor the line and let our speed linemen make plays.
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who do you suggest replace them? We started a 38 year old on the d-line yesterday. Weaver is too expensive to cut and nobody will trade. And, now that Brown is hurt we have a rook and a 2nd year 5th rounder fighting for a STARTING job. there is NO depth on this team and the FO tries to build through the draft and no big names have come into the locker room since Schaub and Green. these guys do need be cut but they wont be. sorry but I'm just the messenger.

And I like Greenwood's raps... just saying.
Actually after this season weaver is not to expensive to cut. I am not sure what anyone expects out of Weaver but he is not going to record any sacks or put up numbers when the Defensive Coordinator has him dropping back into coverage and sending a LB (Richards version of the Blitz).

As far as no depth, the depth is better than it was since Kubiak and now Rick Smith got here.

Getting rid of these players and saying they all suck kinda reminds me of how everyone blasted Gaffney and saying how much he sucked (including me). Now in threads I seem him being brought as a huge mistake by letting him go. Of course you can not have it both ways, so I would say Palmer and Capers and YKW were at fault there. So here we are again having a hard time of evaluating talent because of the scheme that is being run.
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Default Re: Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

We might be better served on figuring out who to keep rather than who to cut. The list would be a lot shorter that way....
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Faggins needs to go, but the staff loves him for some reason. He is awful and we will never have a compatent secondary with him in it. Um, Reeves is bad, but Id keep him on as a nickle/dime back. Bruner is irrelevent. Green and Brown? Are they on our team...?
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Ummm, I'm not sure what you were watching in the Titan game--Johnson was on the inactive list for that one. Was he wearing an ugly suit on the sidelines, perhaps?

Johnson could be a decent player, but he is miscast in his current role. He is not a run-stuffer--he and Amobi are basically the same player. We need Okam to grow up in a hurry or find a good-run stuffer to anchor the line and let our speed linemen make plays.

There you go....letting facts get in the way of a good hating..

Not being a capoligist I have never understood how a player is paid too much to cut. If he can't get the job done hire a minimum wage player to replace him. He wont get it done either but will be a failure at a lower cost.

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Green, Weaver and Reeves.

Liabilities all, and costing money too...
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What has AJ done lately to earn his fat paycheck?..just asking.


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Default Re: Who absolutely needs to be cut from this team next year?

The guy in charge of Pro Scouting....Bobby Grier
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Okay, did Bobby Grier kick your dog? Smack a female relative? Steal your pot?
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Okay, did Bobby Grier kick your dog? Smack a female relative? Steal your pot?
I dont know the answer to that question...

But look at our draft record. How many really good players have we drafted?




Not very many. AJ, Winston, Mario, Ryans, Dunta. That's about it.

So that forces us to use the Free Agent market too often. And we all know how that has worked out for us...
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Okay, did Bobby Grier kick your dog? Smack a female relative? Steal your pot?
no, hes the head of pro scouting and the main guy behind our fabled Free Agent pick ups such as Charlie Clemons, Matt Stevens, Jay Foreman, Todd Wade, Stacey Mack, James Allen, Robaire Smith and Jordan Black. I'd rather him kick my dog...my dog can defend himself.
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I dont know the answer to that question...

But look at our draft record. How many really good players have we drafted?




Not very many. AJ, Winston, Mario, Ryans, Dunta. That's about it.
He is the head of PRO scouting...I don't think he dabbles in the draft. He is the brain trust behind our esteemed free agent signings since we got this thing going. He is the common thread of mediocrity that runs through both regimes.
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He is the head of PRO scouting...I don't think he dabbles in the draft.
I accidentally submitted my reply before I was done. Its been edited.
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Green, Greenwood, Chris Brown, CC Brown, Chris White cus his last name is a color, TJ, and Weaver.

This is who I would cut at this point.
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Green, Greenwood, Chris Brown, CC Brown, Chris White cus his last name is a color, TJ, and Weaver.

This is who I would cut at this point.
I always liked the fact that last year we had a white guy named Black and a black guy named White on the same o-line.
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Actually after this season weaver is not to expensive to cut. I am not sure what anyone expects out of Weaver but he is not going to record any sacks or put up numbers when the Defensive Coordinator has him dropping back into coverage and sending a LB (Richards version of the Blitz).

As far as no depth, the depth is better than it was since Kubiak and now Rick Smith got here.

Getting rid of these players and saying they all suck kinda reminds me of how everyone blasted Gaffney and saying how much he sucked (including me). Now in threads I seem him being brought as a huge mistake by letting him go. Of course you can not have it both ways, so I would say Palmer and Capers and YKW were at fault there. So here we are again having a hard time of evaluating talent because of the scheme that is being run.
First of all, SWEET lets cut his ass. when he does rush the passer it's not like Weaver is a menace in the backfield and i think we could get better penetration with somebody else in that spot.

Second, the depth couldn't really get any worse than it was when Capers was here but i was concentrating that statement more on the safety positions where the suggestion is to cut the starter for a rook/2nd year late draft pick.
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