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Old 09-26-2008   #101
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Or the one constant... The Rooney family
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seem to remember running Chris Palmer out of town & all he did was help Manning lead the Giants to a Superbowl. guess he wasn't the problem after all
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Or the one constant... The Rooney family
Yeah, but it's not reassuring to know that in the first 39 years of their ownership (1933 - 1972), they went to the playoffs one time and had eight winning seasons. They hired Chuck Knoll in 1969, and while it took a couple of years things improved slightly from that point forward.
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seem to remember running Chris Palmer out of town & all he did was help Manning lead the Giants to a Superbowl. guess he wasn't the problem after all
A) Pendry undercutting him didn't help his performance.

B) As I understand it there was one QB on the team that understood Palmer's whole offense. That QB didn't play though.
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A) Pendry undercutting him didn't help his performance.

B) As I understand it there was one QB on the team that understood Palmer's whole offense. That QB didn't play though.
fast forward to 2008. does A) Kyle Shanahan fight himself since he retains both QB coaching along with OC duties or B) does Sage understand the system better than Schaub, again we don't know cause that QB hasn't played
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Do guys really think Sage is clearly the better QB or is he just exciting to watch ?
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A) Pendry undercutting him didn't help his performance.

B) As I understand it there was one QB on the team that understood Palmer's whole offense. That QB didn't play though.
Also, some crapatola picks on the line, and the fact that Capers and Palmer's way of seeing things was totally different. Capers wanted the role of his offense not to mess up so that the defense could help them win. Palmer's offensive philosophy is more wide open than that. Capers did some tinkering with the offense and then brought in Pendry. And well, Casserly's philosophy was whatever was good for Casserly.
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Kubiak is very hands on & runs the whole show. however if you have an inexpereinced OC who is aligned with the HC (no problem there) but also is responsible for the development of quote "the franchise QB" this may cloud his judgement & that of his QB's gametime decision making process.

So maybe what we're seeing from Kubiak/Shanahan & reflected in Matt Schaubs game time execution is an extension of forcing him to do something he is just not comfortable in doing. at least to me watching Schaub it looks like he is forcing the plays even if they're not there. the offensive line is reacting instead of establishing space & lanes, his targets are covered over the top & underneath. spacing/timing is all off this is where the QB has to both use his legs while thinking on his feet to make 3rd/4th read progressions. The Denver system works best with a mobile QB, not sure if Shanahan got to work a year with Cutler or not but I know Kubiak worked with Elway so do you think either one of those QB's who make the Denver system run resemble in anyway shape or form Matt Schaub?

bottom line Kubiak is responsible for these decisions & development of the team, maybe he needs to defer more authority & trust his coaches to make calls but until he settles the QB position effectivness its gonna be really hard to accomplish what we all want to see & expect
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Kubiak is very hands on & runs the whole show. however if you have an inexpereinced OC who is aligned with the HC (no problem there) but also is responsible for the development of quote "the franchise QB" this may cloud his judgement & that of his QB's gametime decision making process.

So maybe what we're seeing from Kubiak/Shanahan & reflected in Matt Schaubs game time execution is an extension of forcing him to do something he is just not comfortable in doing. at least to me watching Schaub it looks like he is forcing the plays even if they're not there. the offensive line is reacting instead of establishing space & lanes, his targets are covered over the top & underneath. spacing/timing is all off this is where the QB has to both use his legs while thinking on his feet to make 3rd/4th read progressions. The Denver system works best with a mobile QB, not sure if Shanahan got to work a year with Cutler or not but I know Kubiak worked with Elway so do you think either one of those QB's who make the Denver system run resemble in anyway shape or form Matt Schaub?

bottom line Kubiak is responsible for these decisions & development of the team, maybe he needs to defer more authority & trust his coaches to make calls but until he settles the QB position effectivness its gonna be really hard to accomplish what we all want to see & expect
I have less problem with Shanahan as OC because it is Kubiak's offense and Gibbs is there.

You have two guys very familiar with the Denver passing game (Kubiak, Pariani the TE's coach) and a guy very familiar with the running game and blocking (Gibbs), and Shanahan basically knows both and really is in the position of enacting Kubiak's philosophy.

Shanahan the Sr has said it takes a quarterback three years to really get the system. I think the offense gets its feet under them when October home games come--marketed in the newspaper as Octoberfest. ha
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I have less problem with Shanahan as OC because it is Kubiak's offense and Gibbs is there.

You have two guys very familiar with the Denver passing game (Kubiak, Pariani the TE's coach) and a guy very familiar with the running game and blocking (Gibbs), and Shanahan basically knows both and really is in the position of enacting Kubiak's philosophy.

Shanahan the Sr has said it takes a quarterback three years to really get the system. I think the offense gets its feet under them when October home games come--marketed in the newspaper as Octoberfest. ha
He might be correct, considering Cutler's been freakin lights out thus far. Then again, their ZBS looks awesome compared to the mobile pile of poo we create.
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Your the same person who called for Kubiak to be fired after the second or third game last season and the team improved. You also said after week one this season that you would still take VY over Mario, so please excuse some of us who think you do not know football from a hole in the ground. You like Cowher, and he is a fine coach been to two Super Bowls and one won. Although it is not like he took over a team that sucked. 9 - 7, 9- 7, 7 - 9 in the three years prior to him taking over. What were the Texans prior to Kubiak taking over. Going from Noll to Cowher is a hell of a lot different than going from Capers to Kubiak. Hall of Fame coach vs 2x loser.

Many around here regard Fisher as a good to very good coach and he has only been to one super bowl and lost. in his first full season he was 7-9 and then went 8-8 for 3 years in a row, by your standards he would have been fired in his second season. Sense you like to say stats do not mean anything. Rich Kotite of the Eagles went 10-6, 11-5, 8-8, and 7-9 and was fired. Of course he went to the Jets and stunk, but I am not sure if that was on him more so than the GM drafting poorly before he got there and so the team was going to stink.

Back to the Eagles .... Kotite did well the fire couple of years did that make him a good coach? From what I remember he lost the locker room and had issues with management.

This is what needs to be looked at with Kubiak. How are the players responding to him are they still trying, are they still playing hard. Of course we do have to lok at his loyalty to some of the coordinators, mainly Richard Smith. If he is just keeping Smith out of loyalty then they both need to go and this is where Rick needs to step in and look at it and figure that out. The team did improve over the course of last year, what has changed from the end of last year because there was evidence of improvement in the Denver game and the Jags game, the Colts game not so much since the team got crushed.
last year the team improved but its not like they improved that much. who did they beat? who have they ever beat?

as for your VY 'blast', its just par for the course with you. why not mix in a 'VY is gay' joke, its about all your good for.

I stated that I would rather have VY, Schaub and Carr's cap space, and 2 2nd Round picks over Schaub and Mario. I still feel that way. so sue me. Basically we could have VY, Asanti Samuel and Justin Smith, 2 2nd Round picks, and still have a little cap space left. Mario has been a good player and could be a great player, but its not like he has had that much effect on our defense (to no fault of his own though) If VY didn't play well, we could have Sage as our QB which is something many are already clamoring for.

If you werent such a hater you would see that it actually makes some sense....but whatever, make another sausage joke or VY is gay joke and show the level of your intelligence and discourse. Just grow up.

Spec, I apologize for wanting my team to improve and not wallow in the malaise of this current Kubiak era. You act like the guy built the Sistine Chapel last year, when in effect he beat 7 teams, most of whom sucked, and a listless 2nd string nothing-to-play-for Jaguars team in Week 17. Not a horrible year, but hardly a year worth pining for or pointing as some validation of your love for Kubiak.

I was around before you got here and I will be around long after you have gone. Your trolling does nothing other than out you as a homer and a hater. I am sure you would be happy with a decade more of Kubiak's uninspired team but at least you could call yourself a 'real Texans fan' for sticking by your team....whatever dude.
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Kubiak is very hands on & runs the whole show.
I'm not sure I agree with this premise (if I understand what you are saying). He might be hands on for a head coach, but I don't think that means as much as people might think. He might be hands on with the QB, but I doubt he is telling Pitts how to block, Reeves how to cover, or Brown how to kick. He tells his coaches what he wants and they implement it to the best of their abilities. I doubt most players get much one-on-one time with Kubiak. That's not his job.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone has specific knowledge to the contrary.
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I'd be interested to hear if anyone has specific knowledge to the contrary.
I think you are right on OL, DB's etc. By report he is hands on more than most in two significant areas (neither unique to him)--actually calling the plays rather than the OC and playing a larger role in the draft than many HC's. Haven't heard that he is playing any role at all in the D other than the draft.
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Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
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Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
True .. I like how the only thing a certain person noticed in my post was the mention of a mentally ill QB.
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I think you are right on OL, DB's etc. By report he is hands on more than most in two significant areas (neither unique to him)--actually calling the plays rather than the OC and playing a larger role in the draft than many HC's. Haven't heard that he is playing any role at all in the D other than the draft.
that pretty much reflects the jest of it as much as humanly possible without being a dictatorship where permission is needed to take a
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Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
hahaha...Brown as Texan's HC. That's a good one, TB

it does bring up a question though. are there any college coaches that you think could fit the bill in Houston as HC?

Stoops? Carroll? Miles? that fat tub of lard coach at Notre Dame named Weiss?
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well Carroll is out .. the Hard "C"(k)sound is out .. you would you have to get a new keyboard

Casserly
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I know there are more people some wanted (and needed) to get rid of...
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People are acting like Kubiak and Smith have been here the whole time. They took over a 2-14 team that was strapped for cash. They couldn’t even buy good players, yet they improved to 6-10 then 8-8. They have improved every year and now we’re two games in (both losses) and people want to fire them??? That definitely sounds like a recipe for success. Who are we going to replace them with, I hear Matt Millen is available
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What?! He's in his 3rd year?! His ass should have been fired after going 6-10 GOSH!

Seriously, it's the guy's first head coaching gig. Second Honeymoon, if you don't want to sit here through the "garbage" I don't think anybody is forcing you to watch Texans games or post on this forum.

I for one am saddened by some of the playcalling and the inability to throw the challenge flag at the correct time, but we're seeing steady improvement (by season, not by game) and people still want to *****. It's really getting so that this board is becoming nigh undreadable with all of the ridiculousness that's being thrown around. Lets get to some facts.

Fact #1 - Schaub is going to start vs Jacksonville and probably vs the Colts and during our home stretch no matter how badly he performs, especially if others around him are failing (Walter, AJ, most of the offensive line). I bet some people are going to get even more butt hurt about that than anything else.

Fact #2 - Kubiak will not be fired this year or next. I don't even get how you people think McNair is going to fire Kubiak anytime soon. The guy has steadily improved our team for 3 years, and although some of his abilities leave a lot to be desired, other areas of his he's great. Since he has become head coach our drafts have improved significantly. McNair even gave Capers and Casserly 5 years, and they were pretty much bad all the time. So if a guy shows he has more ability than the previous, why would he get fired sooner?

Fact #3 - Vince Young is not on this team.

Fact #4 - Bill Cowher would not want to come out of retirement to coach the Houston Texans. There's no tradition here, a well entrenched GM, and an offensive mindset in place. What would Cowher like about that? Oh yeah, not a damn thing

It's obvious that a lot of people here have never liked the hiring of Kubiak and wish him the worst and hope that he gets fired as soon as humanly possible. These people will make threats about "not sitting by and watching this" and yeah that's cool, but those sound like empty threats to me. Nobody wants to watch bad football, but people sure do like to ***** about on an internet forum. I'd also like to know how much good it does to start threads where the intention is to try to get a coach or a player fired/sat? Is it for venting? I know it's not to actually get said player/coach sat/fired, because I don't think the Texans FO makes decisions based on what the fans want (eg the 2006 Draft), and especially not what an internet forum wants. Yes I realize that this is the only place some people can come and get informed opinions on the Texans, but it's just ridiculous to see the entire front page of threads in the main forum just gobbled up in "Fire coach X" "Sit player X" threads.

I know I couldn't even bring myself to read this forum, or the main forum at the texans page because I knew it would be full armchair GM's talking about the great decisions they would make with this terrible football team. I guess I didn't wait long enough.
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