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Old 09-24-2008   #21
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Jerry is the HC of Portland State with Mouse Davis and I don't think he is going to leave anytime soon.
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Jerry is the HC of Portland State with Mouse Davis and I don't think he is going to leave anytime soon.
Portland State versus the NFL? I think Portland State loses that battle.
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He also would be a great hire. Surprised he is only a college position coach right now.
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Portland State versus the NFL? I think Portland State loses that battle.
You guys mean this Jerry Gray right?

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I keep saying the same thing that they need to decide what kinda front they're going to be and go from there. Mario can 1 or 2 gap. TJ and Okye are 1 gappers while okam and zgoninia are 2 gappers and weavver sux. I think Okam should be in between mario and okoye with cochran on the otherside. Let okam 2 gap, mario, okoye, and cochran get upfield. Of course they could sign haynesworth or suggs and everything getseasier.
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His highest D position has been DL coach. The D for the Lions has done what while he has been there?--28th one year and 32nd the other.

One guy we know Kubiak wanted is on the staff now--Bush. Boot Smith and experiment with Bush (no matter what caveat is made, that will draw comments).
Well I'm not going to be drawn into one of these again. What I know for a fact is we ran five zone blitzes Sunday and five times no one got there. And the other little fact is they've been doing this non performance garbage for three years. Eventually, even John McClain will have to own up to the fact some of the talent on this team has been over hyped by the media. Maybe Bush can get something different out of them. What I'm seeing is they are bring their best efforts and their best efforts are putrid. Might be coaching philosophy. But I doubt it. How about they demote Smith now and let Bush game plan the games and see what's what and who's who ?
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Well I'm not going to be drawn into one of these again. What I know for a fact is we ran five zone blitzes Sunday and five times no one got there. And the other little fact is they've been doing this non performance garbage for three years. Eventually, even John McClain will have to own up to the fact some of the talent on this team has been over hyped by the media. Maybe Bush can get something different out of them. What I'm seeing is they are bring their best efforts and their best efforts are putrid. Might be coaching philosophy. But I doubt it. How about they demote Smith now and let Bush game plan the games and see what's what and who's who ?
What did Bush do before he was here...? Im not a fan of DL coaches being a D Coord. Usually LB coaches make the the best DCs.
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He also would be a great hire. Surprised he is only a college position coach right now.
Grey wants to be in complete control of the defense. He wants to be the only one that can hire and fire. Basically he wants to be the HC of defense. Kubiak will not agree to that.
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What did Bush do before he was here...? Im not a fan of DL coaches being a D Coord. Usually LB coaches make the the best DCs.
Bush was the Linebackers coach with Arizona until we hired him. He's now the "Senior Defensive Assistant" but works closely with the Defensive Line. I'm not mistaken, Kubiak really wanted to hire Bush in 2006 but the Cardinals wouldn't let him go that year. From his resume, it seems he's really coached each 'unit', I wouldn't be surprised if he's next in line to take over, and it actually could have been a plan of Kubiak's from the beginning.
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You guys mean this Jerry Gray right?

http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Jerry_Gray.jsp
Yeah, that one. I didn't know if Zorn kept him on his staff or not.
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Grey wants to be in complete control of the defense. He wants to be the only one that can hire and fire. Basically he wants to be the HC of defense. Kubiak will not agree to that.
If we had a good enough DC, I really wish Kubiak would agree to it. It seems like every head coach has their hands on one side of the ball that they probably shouldn't.
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Well I'm not going to be drawn into one of these again.
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If your point is the talent needs an upgrade then sure that would help too. But (1) it is hard to do that mid-season and (2) different schemes take advantage of different types of talent. To me it does not appear Smith's schemes take advantage of what talent is on the field and maybe other schemes would take better advantage of what is on the roster. For example, even as a rookie Adibi might very well be playing for Dungy or guys who like speed over size.
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I think he would be a very strong hire for the DC/asst HC job.

Another candidate might be the guy who replaced him in Tampa, Larry Coyer.

Also Mike Nolan might be on the hot seat in SF. I would be happy with him, Mike Singletary or Greg Manusky. Anyone who has a connection to the Ravens defense that won the Super Bowl.
Wasn't Coyer DC when Kubes was OC in Denver? THAT'S what we need.









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Drawn into one of what again?



If your point is the talent needs an upgrade then sure that would help too. But (1) it is hard to do that mid-season and (2) different schemes take advantage of different types of talent. To me it does not appear Smith's schemes take advantage of what talent is on the field and maybe other schemes would take better advantage of what is on the roster. For example, even as a rookie Adibi might very well be playing for Dungy or guys who like speed over size.
If that is the point he's trying to make no one is saying this defense couldn't use more talent. Question becomes do we need more talent to overcome putrid coaching? I like a guy like Zac Diles and yeah he's what looks like to be a hustle type player but at what point does his lack of speed become a detriment overall to the defense? I mean isn't that why Chaun Thompson and Kevin Bentley brought in? Not saying Adibi is a burner but our LB corps does lack some speed. Not saying Smith has been given all pros to work with but at this point three years into his tenure it's not like he hasn't been given ANYTHING to work with.

For a first time HC like Kubiak it should've been an imperative point to get a DC with a successful track record.
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I still think it's more talent/players vs what the co-ordinator is doing, but I won't argue that someone couldnt come in and take these same players and make more of them...
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Coyer oversaw an aggressive attaching defense that was in the top 10 almost every season. He utilizing his LBs much better than we have. Now he is working in the Tampa 2 and that defense was a top 10 defense.

I do not care where he coached, he was a success everywhere he has been.
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Coyer oversaw an aggressive attaching defense that was in the top 10 almost every season. He utilizing his LBs much better than we have. Now he is working in the Tampa 2 and that defense was a top 10 defense.

I do not care where he coached, he was a success everywhere he has been.
So we're going back to the 34 ? Look, either you believe the OLBs are more than blue collar stop gaps or you don't. The conundrum is simply this, if you go with the non athletic OLBs you've got to upgrade the Safeties and or the off side end. They like their safeties. I don't like them but Smith and Kubiack do. After three years of sending people you've got to decide if it's scheme or the fact that they don't have anyone who has the ability to get there...under any circumstances. With any DC or scheme. What I'm seeing it's athletic ability. I've been wrong before. I'd rather be wrong on this one but I'm not. The production over the last three years proves it. They can't get there.
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So we're going back to the 34 ? Look, either you believe the OLBs are more than blue collar stop gaps or you don't. The conundrum is simply this, if you go with the non athletic OLBs you've got to upgrade the Safeties and or the off side end. They like their safeties. I don't like them but Smith and Kubiack do. After three years of sending people you've got to decide if it's scheme or the fact that they don't have anyone who has the ability to get there...under any circumstances. With any DC or scheme. What I'm seeing it's athletic ability. I've been wrong before. I'd rather be wrong on this one but I'm not. The production over the last three years proves it. They can't get there.
Tampa 2 is usually a 3-4.

I hope we wouldn't consider going to a 3-4 talk about a monumental waste on Mario's Williams talent that'd prove to be.
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Tampa 2 is usually a 3-4.
Last time I looked the Bucs run a 4-3, the Colts run a 4-3, the Bears run a 4-3, the Chiefs run a 4-3, and the Lions run a 4-3. That would cover the main Tampa 2 teams.

Tampa 2 is a 4-3, cover 2 can be used from any front. So no, I am not asking us to go back to a 3-4.

IMO other than Ryans, we have guys that could play well in the 3-4.

I am looking for a defense that will utilize a 1 gap DT, and the Tampa 2 would. BTW I grew up on the 46 defense and it was a fun to watch.
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