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Old 09-23-2008   #1
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Is anyone else wondering what is going on with our TE position? I keep hearing how OD is so good and is a top notch TE. I cant figure out why we arent getting him the ball down the middle of the field. This is what he was supposed to bring to the offense. Where is he? Whos fault is it? Is he just not getting open? Is the OC not calling plays for him? Is Shaub not reading defenses correctly? what is it? Opinions please.
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Daniels caught like 4 passes for 70 ish yards including one for about 32 yards on sunday.
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I don't see where the anger is coming from. Daniels was solid on Sunday.
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Ya, I think the implication here is that he should be catching 5-10 passes every game.
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Ya, I think the implication here is that he should be catching 5-10 passes every game.
5 catches a game is 80 over a year. Are there 5 TEs in the league that accomplish that?
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5 catches a game is 80 over a year. Are there 5 TEs in the league that accomplish that?
Good point, but if he is an elite TE of hopes to attain that status one day, thats where he'll need to go. Not sure if we have that many balls to go around, though.
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Default Re: Whats going on at TE?

The #1 thing that angers me about the gameplan is that OD isn't involved early enough, IMO. In the Steelers game he didn't get a single catch in the first half.

The guy is a winner and I want to see him more involved early and in the red zone. He isn't the biggest guy but he just finds a way to get the job done.
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My biggest complaint about the TE position is seeing Joel Dreesen lined up out wide repeatedly.
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My biggest complaint about the TE position is seeing Joel Dreesen lined up out wide repeatedly.
There was at least one play where Dreesen knocked the you know what out of some Titan D-Lineman (might have been Vanden Bosch) so hes got that going for him.
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There was at least one play where Dreesen knocked the you know what out of some Titan D-Lineman (might have been Vanden Bosch) so hes got that going for him.
Not from the WR position, he didn't. I could see lining him up out wide on a toss sweep or something, but they continually put him at WR and then run routes. We have four good WRs and we sit them on the bench so that Dreesen can play WR? Line him up at TE and I am OK. WR? Not so much.
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Default Re: Whats going on at TE?

I think he's a good TE but I think we'd all agree he should be getting more looks in the red zone. Much like the whole offense looks good between the 20's but punching it in is a major problem. I think he could help that out when we spread opposing teams out with 3WRs in the end zone and let him find a hole.
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The #1 thing that angers me about the gameplan is that OD isn't involved early enough, IMO. In the Steelers game he didn't get a single catch in the first half.

The guy is a winner and I want to see him more involved early and in the red zone. He isn't the biggest guy but he just finds a way to get the job done.

Amen.
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What's going o with Kevin Walter. Did even even get one ball thrown his way Sunday? I thought he was our #2 WR
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Good point, but if he is an elite TE of hopes to attain that status one day, thats where he'll need to go. Not sure if we have that many balls to go around, though.
I don't think he is an elite talent, so I am not going to hold him to standard of elite. Anything over 65 catches from him is gravy in my mind. As a couple mentioned above though, probably more involvement in the red zone would be nice though.
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What's going o with Kevin Walter. Did even even get one ball thrown his way Sunday? I thought he was our #2 WR
He caught 4 balls, but only got 15 yards out of them.

Bottomline when you are getting poor QB play, all of the recievers are going to not involved as they should be.
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Daniels caught like 4 passes for 70 ish yards including one for about 32 yards on sunday.

How many were over the middle? The 32 yard catch was a screen right and he ran 30 yards before he was even touched. Thats great but where is the TE in short yardage and red zone situations? When are we going to start throwing the ball to him down the middle of the field to keep oposing safetys honest? The TE position on this team is missused more than OLB. When is the last time one of our OLB's was used to blitz? Thats another rant for another time but at least there is a reason for that. Our OLB's suck!

Daniels is supposed to be a good athletic pass catching TE. If he is only going to get 2 or 3 balls thrown to him on screens or on out routes a game then we need to get a TE that can help out more in the running game.


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There was at least one play where Dreesen knocked the you know what out of some Titan D-Lineman (might have been Vanden Bosch) so hes got that going for him.
That made me stand up and scream. Im pretty sure it was Bosc and he was lined up at WR.

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I think he's a good TE but I think we'd all agree he should be getting more looks in the red zone. Much like the whole offense looks good between the 20's but punching it in is a major problem. I think he could help that out when we spread opposing teams out with 3WRs in the end zone and let him find a hole.
This is what Im talking about. But why not use him like this no matter where we are on the field and especially early in the game to keep opposing safeties guessing so they cant tee off on our WR's. Isnt this what the TE position is supposed to bring to an offense?
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Not from the WR position, he didn't. I could see lining him up out wide on a toss sweep or something, but they continually put him at WR and then run routes. We have four good WRs and we sit them on the bench so that Dreesen can play WR? Line him up at TE and I am OK. WR? Not so much.
THis is the kind of thing that is bothering me. Having TE's line up at WR and/or run WR routes. This is as bad as droping Mario Williams into coverage when he is the only front 7 player that can get consistent presure. Doesnt make sense. I would rather see us run 3 WR sets with leach at FB. I cant believe people are happy with the way we are using the TE.
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Is anyone else wondering what is going on with our TE position? I keep hearing how OD is so good and is a top notch TE. I cant figure out why we arent getting him the ball down the middle of the field. This is what he was supposed to bring to the offense. Where is he? Whos fault is it? Is he just not getting open? Is the OC not calling plays for him? Is Shaub not reading defenses correctly? what is it? Opinions please.
Daniels was pretty damn solid on Sunday. This game would have been so different had AJ caught those TD passes. He would have had, what, about 100 yards or so? Daniels with around 70, and Slaton over 100 rushing. We would have won.

Keep hope alive for this Sunday!
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MUSSOP, that is by far the greatest avatar of all time. where did you find that? first time i've seen it
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I think he's mis used more than anyone on the texans. He should be a Y-flex out of base. They can have twin set one side, then motion owen out and force a lb or safety to cover him. Johnson should be 1st option, daniels should be 2nd. Daniels is a matchup problem when they decide to use him.
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