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Old 09-22-2008   #1
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This guy is charismatic, and he knows football. But is he a good coach? Ever since Sherman left and Shanny took over, our QB has looked like garbage. Our WRs are dropping passes and running bad routes. How much of this is on the players and how much of it is on Shanny?
Lil' Shottenheimer is getting flack up in NY for his poor offensive moves, maybe this hire a kid from a NFL family experiment isn't working out

On the other hand, maybe its just the change from Sherman to Shanny that is causing commotion. Couple that with the new OL shceme, and its easy to see where the problems could start.
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Too early to tell. My early prediction is no, it's not him. Who's fault is it when we run up the middle against a 9 man front and don't audible to a pass or a run outside? Should be Schaub's fault, if he has all audibles allowed. If that was Shannahan, he's learning on the job. Not good. I mean, geez, I wouldn't have screwed that up.
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we have a rookie coach, rookie DC, rookie OC, rookie owner and a rookie GM....so I guess 0-2 is par for the course.
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we have a rookie coach, rookie DC, rookie OC, rookie owner and a rookie GM....so I guess 0-2 is par for the course.
I would say they are past rookie phase. I would say that under Kubiak and Smith the recourd has improved by an average of 2 games per year. I still have faith in all of them. I think kyle is gonna be great, just ran into to great defenses a Hurricane and now fans crying for his head.

At least Bob Mcnair isnt jerry or worse Bud.
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we have a rookie coach, rookie DC, rookie OC, rookie owner and a rookie GM....so I guess 0-2 is par for the course.
How about a rookie LT and RB to boot . At least the rookies on TV had Kate Jackson .
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I would say they are past rookie phase. I would say that under Kubiak and Smith the recourd has improved by an average of 2 games per year. I still have faith in all of them. I think kyle is gonna be great, just ran into to great defenses a Hurricane and now fans crying for his head.

At least Bob Mcnair isnt jerry or worse Bud.
This team isn't any better than Capers best team and still has a first time head coach, first time owner, first time DC, first time OC and a first time GM that we just extended (based on one good draft). Look at the Dolphins tear apart the Patriots yesterday....It doesn't take Bill Parcells half a decade to start making a difference.
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I am glad our motto is "NOW" but I am still confused on when "NOW" starts
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Too early to tell. My early prediction is no, it's not him. Who's fault is it when we run up the middle against a 9 man front and don't audible to a pass or a run outside? Should be Schaub's fault, if he has all audibles allowed. If that was Shannahan, he's learning on the job. Not good. I mean, geez, I wouldn't have screwed that up.
I've heard kubes say on his show that he doesn't want his qb checking out of running plays too often or at least every time the qb sees a certain front... This goes along with his philosophy of wanting to run the ball ...so the answer to the bolded looks to be a no, schaub doesn't have much audible flexibility.
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This team isn't any better than Capers best team and still has a first time head coach, first time owner, first time DC, first time OC and a first time GM that we just extended (based on one good draft). Look at the Dolphins tear apart the Patriots yesterday....It doesn't take Bill Parcells half a decade to start making a difference.
Well, what should be done?
Should we fire Kubiak and have to start completely over?
When David Carr was here, everyone else blamed him for the problems. When anyone tried to support the guy they got blasted. I remeber mentioning several times that our problems were not on the offense but in the secondary ( Demarcus Faggins) but everyone was so certain that Carr was the problem. So certain they developed an obsessive hatred and attachment to the guy (note Carr threads on both sites still). This debate is not new its just a rehash of every argument Texans fans have had since the beggining.

What is the problem? Is it circumstances, scheduling or bad drafting?
The Mario draft is looking like the best draft the Texnas ever had, yet the architect of that draft was driven out of town. I do not think its the ownership because Mr. Mcnair has shown his willingness to spend money and I have a feeling once the slary cap goes , he will open up the bank because he is hungry for a winner more than we are. I know its frustrating to see other teams thrive after bad years while we stay mediocre.

Its the same thing we have ben discussing for years here, What to do with the Texans.

Who do we bring in that has the magic curall? Jimmy? We saw how his Miami expirament worked out. Parcells...... how many playoff wins has he had since leaving NE? Cowher.....? If Carolina cant get him how could we? So as of now we are left with what we have. Something has to change and I am at a loss for what that is.
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Well, what should be done?
Should we fire Kubiak and have to start completely over?
When David Carr was here, everyone else blamed him for the problems. When anyone tried to support the guy they got blasted. I remeber mentioning several times that our problems were not on the offense but in the secondary ( Demarcus Faggins) but everyone was so certain that Carr was the problem. So certain they developed an obsessive hatred and attachment to the guy (note Carr threads on both sites still). This debate is not new its just a rehash of every argument Texans fans have had since the beggining.

What is the problem? Is it circumstances, scheduling or bad drafting?
The Mario draft is looking like the best draft the Texnas ever had, yet the architect of that draft was driven out of town. I do not think its the ownership because Mr. Mcnair has shown his willingness to spend money and I have a feeling once the slary cap goes , he will open up the bank because he is hungry for a winner more than we are. I know its frustrating to see other teams thrive after bad years while we stay mediocre.

Its the same thing we have ben discussing for years here, What to do with the Texans.

Who do we bring in that has the magic curall? Jimmy? We saw how his Miami expirament worked out. Parcells...... how many playoff wins has he had since leaving NE? Cowher.....? If Carolina cant get him how could we? So as of now we are left with what we have. Something has to change and I am at a loss for what that is.
that's what message boards are for....talking football and giving the various opinions with your fellow fans. Who really cares what fan opinion is anyway...doesn't change the team in anyway, but it's fun to "talk football" with your buddies. It isn't the schedule since this is the NFL and you can't just put Rice on the schedule....you have to play NFL teams. We need a new director of scouting and we need to be patient as fans...'cause this team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot this season. Sadly.
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that's what message boards are for....talking football and giving the various opinions with your fellow fans. Who really cares what fan opinion is anyway...doesn't change the team in anyway, but it's fun to "talk football" with your buddies. It isn't the schedule since this is the NFL and you can't just put Rice on the schedule....you have to play NFL teams. We need a new director of scouting and we need to be patient as fans...'cause this team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot this season. Sadly.
What are Grier's resonsibilities ?
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evaluating the vast talents of Stacey Mack, Todd Wade, Robaire Smith and Anthony Weaver - then signing them to big contracts.

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I wonder if he does advanced scouting for future games . If he did , it's inline with his FA signings . This guy has made alot of average players rich .
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I would say they are past rookie phase. I would say that under Kubiak and Smith the recourd has improved by an average of 2 games per year. I still have faith in all of them. I think kyle is gonna be great, just ran into to great defenses a Hurricane and now fans crying for his head.

At least Bob Mcnair isnt jerry or worse Bud.
Hell I wish he was more like Jerry. I am no Cowboys fan but you have to admit he makes sure he gets people that can win freaking games! I will say this he puts his hands into the cookie jar too many times but he goes after the best product available.
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we have a rookie coach, rookie DC, rookie OC, rookie owner and a rookie GM....so I guess 0-2 is par for the course.
See, you need someone with a lot of NFL experience see.

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Too early to tell. My early prediction is no, it's not him. Who's fault is it when we run up the middle against a 9 man front and don't audible to a pass or a run outside? Should be Schaub's fault, if he has all audibles allowed. If that was Shannahan, he's learning on the job. Not good. I mean, geez, I wouldn't have screwed that up.
Forget the audible situation.

This team's WRs, and its TE, seem to run better routes, get in and out of the huddle more quickly, have a pep in their step, and just generally give "more" when Sage is in the game as QB. That happens when you know your QB isn't going to roll on the ground all day...look, when it started happening to David Carr a lot, the offense just gave up. How could you NOT?

I can't get past the Denver game last year, at the end of it: There was Kubiak, standing pretty proudly as the clock expired. Stuffed his game sheet away, snapped off the headset, and had a smile on his face: The team just took his former team to the task and won.

And then there's the shot of Sage smiling, on the field, not holding his head in his hands on the bench. He remained upright during the game, made some good plays, and led the team to the win. The commentators were even beginning to smell a controversy, the postgame interview was all about asking Sage if he felt he needed a starting gig. Sage expressed that he'd like one, but that he's not lobbying for one. Just wants to play well.

(Sigh)

But we have this QB, see. He's our guy, you see. This is just how the business goes. Everyone does OK sometimes, and then you're down again, see? And so we have to go slow. Evaluate. You don't want to act too quickly in the NFL. Slow and steady wins the race, see?

If I were the Browns HC, Brady Quinn gets plugged in next week.

It's not knee-jerking. It's trying SOMETHING instead of sitting there and letting your team think that each Sunday you're headed out to get your sack handed to you within about the first 10 minutes.

Kyle is not doing a bad job, IMO. It leaves his hands when he radio's it down to Kubiak. And it is DOCUMENTED that Kubiak still has override rights to the playcall that goes in. I saw some different playcalls that I had NEVER seen when Sherman was the OC. I see, at least, the intent to vary things up a little. I DON'T see a QB who can handle a rush. That's not on Shanny Jr., to me.
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Kubes needs to quit being so pig headed stubborn and change starting QBs till Schaub shows he has settled down.

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Most people don't remember that Kyle Shannahan hand-picked our 3rd round draft pick to fit into our offense. I think his name was Steve Slaton?
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This guy is charismatic, and he knows football. But is he a good coach? Ever since Sherman left and Shanny took over, our QB has looked like garbage. Our WRs are dropping passes and running bad routes. How much of this is on the players and how much of it is on Shanny?
Lil' Shottenheimer is getting flack up in NY for his poor offensive moves, maybe this hire a kid from a NFL family experiment isn't working out

On the other hand, maybe its just the change from Sherman to Shanny that is causing commotion. Couple that with the new OL shceme, and its easy to see where the problems could start.
Shanahan doesn't call the plays. Kubiak does.

I think the biggest problem that the Texans have is a really messed up September that probably would have been messed up no matter what they did.
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