Texans vs Tacks..........

[Bipolar The Titan]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Well after reading through the threads, I'm not going to sit here and go back and forth with a bunch of petty insults with you Bi-Polar The Titan. I actually think you've displayed pretty good manners considering how many times you've been blasted in here. Going back and forth about the past is a waste of time, and as a Texans fan I don't think I'm in a position to be blasting off any other teams other than the Lions or Raiders at this point.

This is just the post I've been looking for. I believe a sincere thank you is in order. I appreciate that. I'm really am not one to favor stupid, petty insults either. Speaking of past really isn't completely useless though. It's all a matter of how it's being done. I know that I've learned things posting here. So there is some measure of profit in it.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I would like to ask you a question though. As an opposing fan playing the Texans this week, what do you think will give the Titans a really tough match up? What sort of game plan would do you think would work against the Titans in order to get a victory?

Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. You absolutely must be able to run the ball. Being able to convert short yardage through the air is a good key but the whole pass defense scheme of the Titans begins with pressuring the qb. Run the ball until you see an opening to take a shot. Absolutely must run effectively right at Albert and right over Tulloch. Pass enough to keep them honest. Don't throw at Cortland Finnegan. Pick on Harper.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Do you think that the Texans will be able to have success throwing the ball a lot on the Titans secondary, or do you think the Texans will have a better chance at running the ball up the gut and testing Albert?

I think I answered this in my previous answer but to clarify... they may have success passing if they can establish the run early. If they want to pass first without a seriously awesome qb, o-line, and wr set... eh... good luck with that. Their chances begin with the run what they do in that way should, at least in my opinion, dictate what they can do through the air.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Who do you think will win the battle? The crumby WR's on the Titans, or the crumby secondary of the Texans?

That's a bit of an unknown to me. I don't know how poor the db's are and I'm not sure what kind of wr set my team has now since the team has essentially become Kerry Collins'. (that is if last week vs. Cinci is any indication) I do know that I like my chances a lot better with out that crumby Longhorn under center. He should improve in time. I'm just thankful we've got Collins. I really had no idea he still "had it". (I concede that's debatable)

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

DO you think your secondary will be able to stop AJ or hold him under 100 yards? I doubt that, but I'd like to hear your opinion and why?

no. I expect AJ to go off. The guy wants to play us bad. He's a top flight receiver and he's bound to catch a deep ball or two... or five. He will probably be defensed quite well by Finnegan and I have a lot of confidence in Hope and Griffin as safeties. It's a key match-up for sure. I expect him to get his 100 yards with relative ease. He should catch at least one td pass. Finnegan might even pick the quarterback... especially if M.S. is replaced S.R. I think it will be a score card decision on AJ vs. TEN db's though. Very close. I don't look for Finnegan or Johnson to be totally dominate.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

And where is Crumpler? I thought he was supposed to be the go to guy in Tennessee? Scaife will not be consistent.

Scaife isn't that bad. Have you some great OLB that will have his way or something? Mario? Crumpler is a bit of a mystery to me. I expected him to make some noise receiving but he does block very well. He may help spring Burner Johnson on the sweep... I'm not really sure why his receiving production hasn't materialized. Maybe Sunday will be his coming out party.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

And where do you honestly see this Texans team at the end of 16 games? What do you think their record will be and why?

(7-9) for the simple fact that they haven't ever done anything to make me think otherwise. Entering week 3 winless doesn't help... but you never know... look at the Saints... their town and stadium was tore up by a hurricane and they nearly went to the Super Bowl. Anything can happen. I do think that Jacksonville is going to be in the $#!tter after it is all said and done so for what it's worth I see the Texans with a third place finish and possibly two wins over the Jags. I see the Colts as a 5th seed. I really feel like Tennessee has got it together this year. Tennessee could just as easily be that 5th seed.

[kiwitexansfan]

If running the ball is the key to beating the Titans, I don't give us much hope. I truly believe we can move the ball through the air on anyone, our pass blocking is solid and our QB and WR are above average. Where it breaks down is that with no ground game, opponents can just pin their ears back and go after an admittedly fragile Schaub.

I look forward to seeing Kearse/VDB vs Winston and Brown in pass protection, I like our young tackles and the Titans bookends should be a good litmus test.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Collins is not a TD machine.

Career TD------173/Int............172 % compl----55.6/QB rate.......73.5

Tacks career:
2006 TD------1 /Int............6 % compl----46.7/QB rate.......42.3
2007 TD------0 /Int............0 % compl----61.0/QB rate.......79.9
2008 TD------1 /Int............0 % compl----69.6/QB rate.......109.5

Again, if our running game can't get going and no QB pressure is had, look for Collins to plink and plunk us to death.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

If running the ball is the key to beating the Titans, I don't give us much hope. I truly believe we can move the ball through the air on anyone, our pass blocking is solid and our QB and WR are above average. Where it breaks down is that with no ground game, opponents can just pin their ears back and go after an admittedly fragile Schaub.

I look forward to seeing Kearse/VDB vs Winston and Brown in pass protection, I like our young tackles and the Titans bookends should be a good litmus test.

The Titans are second in the NFL against the run and 7th vs the pass...so they will be tough to move the ball on period - especially if we can't run the ball and are always in 2nd and 3rd and long all day.

[ESAD2-14]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

This is just the post I've been looking for. I believe a sincere thank you is in order. I appreciate that. I'm really am not one to favor stupid, petty insults either. Speaking of past really isn't completely useless though. It's all a matter of how it's being done. I know that I've learned things posting here. So there is some measure of profit in it.

Not here to throw smack at you dude. But from what I have seen with in this thread you did your part of throwing around petty insults. If your going to do it at least own up to it.

I do believe it was Blazing Arrow that turned this thread on it's head anyway. He was good up until post #41. Then it was like the light went on, or was it off, upstairs.

Anyway, hopefully the Texans pull this one out. Although I have a feeling the D is going to continue getting schooled until DC Smith can afford to buy a clue or 10.

[New_Texans]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

If it helps our best WR will be out for the game. I would tell you his name but no one would know who he is.

ooo Ooooo, ill guess


Gage?



Wade?

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by New_Texans

ooo Ooooo, ill guess


Gage?



Wade?

I would suspect that no one has heard of Brandon Jones...........and hopefully following the game, he will remain deep in anonimity.

[New_Texans]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

I would suspect that no one has heard of Brandon Jones...........and hopefully following the game, he will remain deep in anonimity.

Hmm, I'd hope so too. We have had Fitzgerald's come out of no where

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by Vinny

The Titans are second in the NFL against the run and 7th vs the pass...so they will be tough to move the ball on period - especially if we can't run the ball and are always in 2nd and 3rd and long all day.

That plus if the Titans can run all day could make this ugly.

The Texans have to figure some stuff out on offense. The Titans D is tough on a lot of teams and seem to have the Texans' number. (except in the 4th Q of that weirdo game).

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

This is just the post I've been looking for. I believe a sincere thank you is in order. I appreciate that. I'm really am not one to favor stupid, petty insults either. Speaking of past really isn't completely useless though. It's all a matter of how it's being done. I know that I've learned things posting here. So there is some measure of profit in it.
Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. You absolutely must be able to run the ball. Being able to convert short yardage through the air is a good key but the whole pass defense scheme of the Titans begins with pressuring the qb. Run the ball until you see an opening to take a shot. Absolutely must run effectively right at Albert and right over Tulloch. Pass enough to keep them honest. Don't throw at Cortland Finnegan. Pick on Harper.


I think I answered this in my previous answer but to clarify... they may have success passing if they can establish the run early. If they want to pass first without a seriously awesome qb, o-line, and wr set... eh... good luck with that. Their chances begin with the run what they do in that way should, at least in my opinion, dictate what they can do through the air.

That's a bit of an unknown to me. I don't know how poor the db's are and I'm not sure what kind of wr set my team has now since the team has essentially become Kerry Collins'. (that is if last week vs. Cinci is any indication) I do know that I like my chances a lot better with out that crumby Longhorn under center. He should improve in time. I'm just thankful we've got Collins. I really had no idea he still "had it". (I concede that's debatable)


no. I expect AJ to go off. The guy wants to play us bad. He's a top flight receiver and he's bound to catch a deep ball or two... or five. He will probably be defensed quite well by Finnegan and I have a lot of confidence in Hope and Griffin as safeties. It's a key match-up for sure. I expect him to get his 100 yards with relative ease. He should catch at least one td pass. Finnegan might even pick the quarterback... especially if M.S. is replaced S.R. I think it will be a score card decision on AJ vs. TEN db's though. Very close. I don't look for Finnegan or Johnson to be totally dominate.
Scaife isn't that bad. Have you some great OLB that will have his way or something? Mario? Crumpler is a bit of a mystery to me. I expected him to make some noise receiving but he does block very well. He may help spring Burner Johnson on the sweep... I'm not really sure why his receiving production hasn't materialized. Maybe Sunday will be his coming out party.

(7-9) for the simple fact that they haven't ever done anything to make me think otherwise. Entering week 3 winless doesn't help... but you never know... look at the Saints... their town and stadium was tore up by a hurricane and they nearly went to the Super Bowl. Anything can happen. I do think that Jacksonville is going to be in the $#!tter after it is all said and done so for what it's worth I see the Texans with a third place finish and possibly two wins over the Jags. I see the Colts as a 5th seed. I really feel like Tennessee has got it together this year. Tennessee could just as easily be that 5th seed.

Well not much that I can really argue with here. You say that we need to run the ball, well that is always the game plan of Kubiak but we don't have good RB's to run the ball or a great O line to open up the holes. Plus, the Titans have the best run stopper in the league, so I'm not to confident about being able to run the ball against the Titans.

I'd rather see the Texans try and work a lot of short slant passes and screens to run the ball. That always seems to be affective against the blitz, and also when you're playing a good run stopping team. It also helps to set up the actual run.

It should be interesting to see the battle of AJ and the secondary. Hopefully Walter can make some plays as well. He's not going to out speed any one, but if he can run some quick routes when the Titans D is blitzing I think he can make some plays.

How do the Titans play against TE's? I expect to see Daniels get a lot of looks.

I always look forward to watching Michael Griffin though. He's really exciting to watch. I just hope he isn't popping Daniels to much from behind when they throw to Daniels up the middle.

What I'm really worried about is Chris Johnson making plays on us. The guy is a freaking stud speedy scat back that was a GREAT pick. Personally I think the Texans should have Demeco watching this guy's every move, since Demeco is so fast and athletic. Someone needs to keep an eye on Johnson on every play, because the Titans don't really have nothing else on offense. Who better than our most athletic LB to handle the job.

[leebigeztx]

I would like to see the texans come out in 3wr,1te,1 rb shotgun. Start the game with quick passes to set up 2nd and 4,3rd and 2. Maybe coming out regular, but flexing daniels out opposite of johnson and walters to loosen the defense up. If they think theyre going to line up and run the ball between the tackles or attack with stretch zone runs, they will be sadly mistaken.

[Bipolar The Titan]

Originally Posted by ESAD2-14

Not here to throw smack at you dude. But from what I have seen with in this thread you did your part of throwing around petty insults. If your going to do it at least own up to it.

I do believe it was Blazing Arrow that turned this thread on it's head anyway. He was good up until post #41. Then it was like the light went on, or was it off, upstairs.

feel free to post or send me some links via/pm as to where... my posting hasn't even approached being offensive especially in light of what I was responding to. For what it's worth this forum is a kindergarten in terms of gentleness as compared to that of other teams such as the Steelers, Redskins or Raiders... so despite what has been said by anyone on either side of the the divide this thread is more akin to a pillow fight than say... The Battle of Antietam.

To term something "petty insult" is rather harsh. I don't believe that I made even one personal attack. Anything I ever said that was negative in nature regarded a player or an instance of past team failure. For what it's worth I don't believe that I've been the victim of "petty insults" either. No one called me a straight to my face a white trash, inbred hillbilly. There was some regional smack jokes tossed around... funny thing is they were directed more at Arrow's posts than mine... I actually live in a wooded area in the hills of Tennessee and if I am not mistaken he lives in Orange County, California... so go figure.

Also, I'd like to emphasize if not clarify one thing to you. You highlighted, bolded, rather my statement that read "I'm really am not one to favor stupid, petty insults either." All that means is that I am not looking for a fight. I do not favor it, but, if you are feeling froggy, jump... Also, I don't fight dirty... I didn't go after anyone's heritage... If I want to get ugly with a fanbase I can just hop over to the Jacksonville Official MB and get all I want and then some. (I seldom bother with that crowd) However, that board can not offer me an intellectual dialog about NFL football. At least I just haven't enough patience... I really think it's impossible... if MuddMonster TT has managed (that's Overalls btw) I'd love to hear about it Tim, but... honestly, I should be commending TexansTalk as a forum for being warm hosts for the most part. It's obvious to me when I am dealing with a kid that's just barely old enough to buy beer and when I am dealing with someone in middle age... I act accordingly. Being bipolar I am prone to shift in mood so my personality is very reflective. Although I do try to do unto others as I would have done unto me I often times do fall into the trap of doing unto others as was done unto me. If you care to protract this any further and post the links contained in the post numbers and copy and paste offensive remarks below the link I will be more than glad to apologize for anything that you can convince me is offensive, petty, and/or insulting. I will own up to anything you show me. The ball is in your court on that one friend.

Anyway, hopefully the Texans pull this one out. Although I have a feeling the D is going to continue getting schooled until DC Smith can afford to buy a clue or 10.

I think that it's entirely possible for the Texans to pull it out. It's a division game of familiar foes. I am actually unsure of how wide the talent gap is or even if it exists at all. I base that on our weakness in the passing game and my relative unfamiliarity with the Texans. Although I am high on Collins and have a lot of hope for him the whole thing could crumple. Collins isn't tested... but if he plays as well or better than last week and the wr's pick it up my confidence will grow. I am extremely optimistic. It's just that I am open to the idea of it disintegrating.

[Bipolar The Titan]

Originally Posted by New_Texans

ooo Ooooo, ill guess


Gage?



Wade?

this is Bobby Wade these days...

[Bipolar The Titan]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

If running the ball is the key to beating the Titans, I don't give us much hope. I truly believe we can move the ball through the air on anyone, our pass blocking is solid and our QB and WR are above average. Where it breaks down is that with no ground game, opponents can just pin their ears back and go after an admittedly fragile Schaub.

I look forward to seeing Kearse/VDB vs Winston and Brown in pass protection, I like our young tackles and the Titans bookends should be a good litmus test.

One of the Titans biggest strengths is stopping the run. I think it's important to attack a team's strengths initially. Then the weaknesses can be exploited. Your hope is stopping our run. The Titans passing shouldn't be that hard to stop. Your db's will end up getting a pick off a ball a Titan should have caught. I mean one will pop up after hitting Gage or someone in the shoulder pad, or "bounce" off someone's hands. The Titans have been lucky with the interceptions so far... Well, Collins has been... not so much Young. The possibility of a turnover should inspire hope.

[Bipolar The Titan]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I'd rather see the Texans try and work a lot of short slant passes and screens to run the ball. That always seems to be affective against the blitz, and also when you're playing a good run stopping team. It also helps to set up the actual run.

I don't think that will work against our corners. Finnegan is an attack dog and Harper is a good tackler. I suppose something out of a bunch formation would be good... but I don't know... The kind of defense that Tennessee plays can only really be tamed by smash mouth running with an effective back or dynamic down field passing. Screens, gimmicks and gadgets won't hold up. Too many plays will go for minimal gain... that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

It should be interesting to see the battle of AJ and the secondary. Hopefully Walter can make some plays as well. He's not going to out speed any one, but if he can run some quick routes when the Titans D is blitzing I think he can make some plays.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

How do the Titans play against TE's? I expect to see Daniels get a lot of looks.

Bulluck is real good in coverage. The defense on a whole is top 5 so I guess it would stand to reason that they play against TE's well. I haven't really thought about it before.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I always look forward to watching Michael Griffin though. He's really exciting to watch. I just hope he isn't popping Daniels to much from behind when they throw to Daniels up the middle.

I think "Griff" was a solid pick from an outstanding program. I think he's going to grow into a pro bowler eventually. Finnegan is on pace to make a pro bowl one day. Hope isn't a slouch and Harper isn't exactly a pushover. I think our secondary is tight.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

What I'm really worried about is Chris Johnson making plays on us. The guy is a freaking stud speedy scat back that was a GREAT pick. Personally I think the Texans should have Demeco watching this guy's every move, since Demeco is so fast and athletic. Someone needs to keep an eye on Johnson on every play, because the Titans don't really have nothing else on offense. Who better than our most athletic LB to handle the job.

I want to see "Burner" Johnson in the slot. As for the rest of the offense... you might not think Len"whale" is anything special but 'ole "Moby Dick" is a freight train once he gets rolling. He is a punisher. I don't think he's special like LaDainian Tomlinson but he's an Eddie George type of guy in terms of running the ball consistently in short yardage and running hard and often. He isn't a complete back like Eddie though. His hands seem to be coated with fried chicken grease because it seems to me that he can't catch a cold... but that may improve by working with Collins.

The Vince Young situation seems to me to be a huge instance of addition by subtraction... the offense could become a real passing threat under Collins' leadership. I stress leadership... I think the guy is working harder than Vince was and that he's just more accurate, period. So, I'm kinda banking on the wr's to pick it up majorly. In other words I'm putting passing game troubles on Vince... is it fair? I don't know. Tennessee kicked the dog**** out of Cincinnati. I seriously doubt Vince would have been as effective as Collins was in those windy conditions. I was very proud of Collins last week.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. You absolutely must be able to run the ball. Being able to convert short yardage through the air is a good key but the whole pass defense scheme of the Titans begins with pressuring the qb. Run the ball until you see an opening to take a shot. Absolutely must run effectively right at Albert and right over Tulloch. Pass enough to keep them honest. Don't throw at Cortland Finnegan. Pick on Harper.

Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was repeating the same behavior over and over while expecting different results. Well, run, run, run has unfortunately been what the Texans in the past have made their resounding theme. It has consistently resulted in 4 plays of run-run-pass-punt. The run mentality has more so than not led to the RB having his nose stuffed up our center’s butt, with no time to “visualize” the field and find the hole (except the center’s ahole)........and all of this usually occurring around the LOS. With this approach we have been forced to pass the ball at the end of the game to try to catch up. And as you know, too many forced passes=a strong recipe for interceptions. This run at all cost “disease” has almost destroyed this team. What is the cure?.....................Im’ not sure that at this point anyone has the definitive answer. But what I do know is that the doctor cannot continue to feed a medicine to a dying patient....................a medicine that doesn’t work.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was repeating the same behavior over and over while expecting different results. Well, run, run, run has unfortunately been what the Texans in the past have made their resounding theme. It has consistently resulted in 4 plays of run-run-pass-punt. The run mentality has more so than not led to the RB having his nose stuffed up our center’s butt, with no time to “visualize” the field and find the hole (except the center’s ahole)........and all of this usually occurring around the LOS. With this approach we have been forced to pass the ball at the end of the game to try to catch up. And as you know, too many forced passes=a strong recipe for interceptions. This run at all cost “disease” has almost destroyed this team. What is the cure?.....................Im’ not sure that at this point anyone has the definitive answer. But what I do know is that the doctor cannot continue to feed a medicine to a dying patient....................a medicine that doesn’t work.

The answer is pretty easy. You need a quality RB who can make space when there is none. Your current O does not run a West Coast enough style to make Ds respect your pass enough to cover for it. Carr has put this stigma on your team that if you put enough pressure on the QB you will get to him, and with the added pressure you get a RB who has to make the first guy miss 9 out of 10 times even before starting down field.

Guys like Dayne, Green, Brown ... you are never going to compete. Almost every playoff team has a solid RB. For some it is all they have.

[Joe Texan]

I am in Tennessee and will bring the Texans to Victory.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

The answer is pretty easy. You need a quality RB who can make space when there is none. Your current O does not run a West Coast enough style to make Ds respect your pass enough to cover for it. Carr has put this stigma on your team that if you put enough pressure on the QB you will get to him, and with the added pressure you get a RB who has to make the first guy miss 9 out of 10 times even before starting down field.

Guys like Dayne, Green, Brown ... you are never going to compete. Almost every playoff team has a solid RB. For some it is all they have.

I don't remember who said this, though it goes something like this: a wise person does at once, what a fool does at last. Both do the same thing; only at different times. The Texans, at least to this point in time, have been playing the hapless fool.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Joe Texan

I am in Tennessee and will bring the Texans to Victory.

I have an Albert Haynesworth voodoo doll that I'm about to run over with my lawnmower .