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Old 09-10-2008   #1
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Well, I watched the first half with my eyes on the two lines. Here are some surprising observations:

1. Okoye actually won his individual battle most of the time and certainly wasn't manhandled.

2. The DL has a whole was pretty good in the 1st half. Though, I agree with LZ that TJ can't hold his grown in the 3 technique.

3. Winston was awesome!, particularly sealing and getting to the second level in the run game. It's clear to see that once the blocking tightens up a little more and the backs make their reads a little quicker there will be some big plays in the run game.

4. Brown played excellent in the first half.

5. Pitts was very agressive on the back side and did a good job on the second level as well.

6. Leach struggled in the run game and missing the blitzer on the second drive cost the Texans the game, because.....

7. I can't overemphasize the reality of this enough: Schuab received a concussion on that first sack late in the first quarter. Up until that point he was sharp, poised, and accurate. While the hit didn't look violent, he was clearly shaken up. Then, he literally doesn't make another good pass or decision the entire half. After halftime, he comes out and looks pretty much like himself again (after he's cleared up some in the head) but the team and circumstances around him had deteriorated beyond repair. HUGE MISTAKE BY THE TEXAN'S STAFF TO LEAVE HIM IN THERE AND RISK HIS HEALTH AND COST THE TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN!!!


Rewatch the game if you can. It's very illuminating!
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Thanks for re-watching the game though i must admit I'm not terribly excited about doing it myself. Anywho, you sold me, I'll see if I can get the time later today or tomorrow... preferebly with beer involved
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What I want to know is where were Greenwood and Weaver on all those bounces out to the weak side.

Actually, I know where they were. Greenwood bit inside and got stuck with weaver and his blocker in his way.

So, we've had TJ playing the wrong position for what? 4 years? Meanwhile, we spent a #10 pick on Okoye, who plays where TJ should've been in the first place. Meanwhile, our secondary didn't get the help it needed and, unless our big rookie (Okam) turns out to be a steal, we still don't have the right player to start where TJ is still getting owned on run plays now. Then there's Greenwood and Weaver, who is supposed to be far better at run-stuffing; but, where was he Sunday?: getting shoved into Greenwood toward the middle of the LOS while Willie Parker bounced outside. Wonderful.

If Greenwood is such a student of the game, why did he bite on the faked run inside over and over and over and over again?
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Do you enjoy inflicting self-punishment??? You coulda just cut yourself, woulda been less painful!
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Well, I watched the first half with my eyes on the two lines. Here are some surprising observations:

1. Okoye actually won his individual battle most of the time and certainly wasn't manhandled.
I have refrained from commenting on the Okoye threads because my memory from watching was in line with this observation. He didn't show up on the stat sheet, which is all anyone seems to care about, but I seemed to recall he did a good job. I wasn't so confident in my recollection (especially as the beer intake increased), so I haven't said anything about it to this point.

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4. Brown played excellent in the first half.
This one I have commented on. Brown did some good things in the first half, and didn't really start getting owned until the Steelers were able to pin their ears back and come after the QB. Furthermore, in the series after the sack/fumble/attempted recovery by Brown, the team put Salaam in, who promptly got owned on a pass rush. If you have the DVR, maybe you could pinpoint the time on the play. I was so annoyed, I deleted mine.

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6. Leach struggled in the run game and missing the blitzer on the second drive cost the Texans the game, because.....
That whiff by Leach looked like a Matt Stevens tackle.

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7. I can't overemphasize the reality of this enough: Schuab received a concussion on that first sack late in the first quarter. Up until that point he was sharp, poised, and accurate. While the hit didn't look violent, he was clearly shaken up. Then, he literally doesn't make another good pass or decision the entire half. After halftime, he comes out and looks pretty much like himself again (after he's cleared up some in the head) but the team and circumstances around him had deteriorated beyond repair. HUGE MISTAKE BY THE TEXAN'S STAFF TO LEAVE HIM IN THERE AND RISK HIS HEALTH AND COST THE TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN!!!
I'd buy that. The sack he took while out of the tackle box after that hit was completely unacceptable. He didn't have his wits about him, and as bad as it sounds, I would rather that be because of a concussion than because of poor decision-making. On the other hand, it reinforces an opinion of mine from last season that our sack numbers were largely smoke and mirrors. There's no question our line is better than it was pre-2006, but 22 sacks? We're not THAT good yet. We have our bookends now in Winston and Brown, though, and as they improve, this line will be very good, I think.

Thanks for doing what I could not - a re-watching of the game.
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Okoye actually won his individual battle most of the time and certainly wasn't manhandled.
Okay...I'll point this out again - Steelers had 39 rush attempts. Amobi Okoye, the starting DT, had 0 Unassisted Tackles, 0 Assisted Tackles. The Steelers had 18 pass attempts. Amobi Okoye, THE STARTING DT, #10 OVERALL PICK, PASS RUSH SPECIALIST, had 0 Sacks, 0 QB Pressures. If he won so many of his indvidual battles, and I'm not disputing you that he did, where the hell is his production?
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Okay...I'll point this out again - Steelers had 39 rush attempts. Amobi Okoye, the starting DT, had 0 Unassisted Tackles, 0 Assisted Tackles. The Steelers had 18 pass attempts. Amobi Okoye, THE STARTING DT, #10 OVERALL PICK, PASS RUSH SPECIALIST, had 0 Sacks, 0 QB Pressures. If he won so many of his indvidual battles, and I'm not disputing you that he did, where the hell is his production?

He's saying he watched the game and you're giving numbers from a statsheet...

He's a DT...Would two or three tackles have made you happy ?
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He's saying he watched the game and you're giving numbers from a statsheet...

He's a DT...Would two or three tackles have made you happy ?
Yes! Something, damn! I just don't get where you guys are getting your logic from. If he played so well and won so many of his individual battles, then why didn't he have at least 1 DAMN TACKLE?!? Okay, TJ is just such garbage and gets blown up and pushed around all the them. He had 3 tackles, and was getting dominated. If Amobi played sooooo well, then where is his production? Anything! That's a fair question.
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Yes! Something, damn! I just don't get where you guys are getting your logic from. If he played so well and won so many of his individual battles, then why didn't he have at least 1 DAMN TACKLE?!? Okay, TJ is just such garbage and gets blown up and pushed around all the them. He had 3 tackles, and was getting dominated. If Amobi played sooooo well, then where is his production? Anything! That's a fair question.
A DTs production is not tied to stats. In fact, if you watch TJ's tackles, he gets several of them in pursuit to the sidelines. So does Okoye, for that matter. I don't want DTs pursuing to the sidelines on a regular basis. The DTs are there to disrupt the play, and that usually results in a tackle by a LB. In our case, our linebackers suck, for the most part, and the Steelers linemen are pretty good at getting to the second level.

Stats mean jack when you're talking about DTs.
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Okay...I'll point this out again - Steelers had 39 rush attempts. Amobi Okoye, the starting DT, had 0 Unassisted Tackles, 0 Assisted Tackles. The Steelers had 18 pass attempts. Amobi Okoye, THE STARTING DT, #10 OVERALL PICK, PASS RUSH SPECIALIST, had 0 Sacks, 0 QB Pressures. If he won so many of his indvidual battles, and I'm not disputing you that he did, where the hell is his production?

Just watch the game. I've been fairly critical of Okoye this pre-season. I was surprised to see him look as good as he did. And, I only watched the first half. It's possible he was awful in the second half. I just couldn't watch that crap in the second half. I saw plenty to see that he belonged out there. The reality is that our DLine played the run really well in the first half. There were three runs of over 5 yards in the first half:

1. Mendenhall went off left tackle and got wide because they caught Mario and TJ in a stunt and TJ wasn't able to get to the edge quickly enough- I think the LB had outside contain but wasn't there either.

2. Parker 13 yd touchdown on a draw... It was a draw and the Safety and WLB didn't make the play.

3. Parker 8 yards around the right end... Bennett clearly had contain, was totally unblocked and should've turned it in for a gain of 1 yard but he took a bad angle and whiffed to give Parker the edge.

Other than that, they couldn't run on us. By the way, in addition to Mario making plays against the run at the line, even Weaver made a play at the LOS on a sweep to the right. IT was a very good play, actually.
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On Schaub, I hope you are right. thankyou for re-watching. Now that really makes sense. Cuz he sure lost it there for awhile, then he got it back again. I remember that hit, he didn't look too good, but he was tough and came right back to play. he tried....
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Well, I watched the first half with my eyes on the two lines. Here are some surprising observations:

1. Okoye actually won his individual battle most of the time and certainly wasn't manhandled.

2. The DL has a whole was pretty good in the 1st half. Though, I agree with LZ that TJ can't hold his grown in the 3 technique.

3. Winston was awesome!, particularly sealing and getting to the second level in the run game. It's clear to see that once the blocking tightens up a little more and the backs make their reads a little quicker there will be some big plays in the run game.

4. Brown played excellent in the first half.

5. Pitts was very agressive on the back side and did a good job on the second level as well.

6. Leach struggled in the run game and missing the blitzer on the second drive cost the Texans the game, because.....

7. I can't overemphasize the reality of this enough: Schuab received a concussion on that first sack late in the first quarter. Up until that point he was sharp, poised, and accurate. While the hit didn't look violent, he was clearly shaken up. Then, he literally doesn't make another good pass or decision the entire half. After halftime, he comes out and looks pretty much like himself again (after he's cleared up some in the head) but the team and circumstances around him had deteriorated beyond repair. HUGE MISTAKE BY THE TEXAN'S STAFF TO LEAVE HIM IN THERE AND RISK HIS HEALTH AND COST THE TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN!!!


Rewatch the game if you can. It's very illuminating!
I did what you did yesterday. I agree with you on all accounts. A few things I would add though.

8. The LB's, were very bad in pass pro. It appeared that the majority of the catches made by Pitt WR's were were due to poor awareness. They gave too much in the zones and didnt react to the ball. The CB's for the most part didnt play too bad. Pretty tight coverage for the most part and you cany forget that Pitt's WR's arent exactly scubs.


That being said, They came out in the 2nd half and looked demoralized. And their defensive display was terrible. They need to put it all together for 4 quarters regardless of how the game is going. Thats the only way to be a winner in the NFL.
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You are a brave person. I just want to forget that game.
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A DTs production is not tied to stats. In fact, if you watch TJ's tackles, he gets several of them in pursuit to the sidelines. So does Okoye, for that matter. I don't want DTs pursuing to the sidelines on a regular basis. The DTs are there to disrupt the play, and that usually results in a tackle by a LB. In our case, our linebackers suck, for the most part, and the Steelers linemen are pretty good at getting to the second level.

Stats mean jack when you're talking about DTs.
Quoted fortruth. If im not mistaken, Amobi was the guy who laid the hit on Big Ben that hurt him. He got penetration and was disruptive, but when there is a gaping hole weak side, there is nothing he can do to stop it. When Ben was shook up, we should have put 9 in the box to force the pass.

We have so many holes on this D, coordinator included, we have plenty to point at before Okoye.
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Thanks for rewatching it, I notice a couple of the things you mentioned the first time around. But I won't be rewatching, I deleted it off the DVR, I usually watch all the games twice but just couldn't bring myself to do it this time around.
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Quoted fortruth. If im not mistaken, Amobi was the guy who laid the hit on Big Ben that hurt him. He got penetration and was disruptive, but when there is a gaping hole weak side, there is nothing he can do to stop it. When Ben was shook up, we should have put 9 in the box to force the pass.

We have so many holes on this D, coordinator included, we have plenty to point at before Okoye.
I wanted to start this same thread after I re-watched and studied the first half last night. I agree completely with your comments. Amobi did bull rush two lineman, or a lineman and tight end, that ultimately had him bash into Rotlessburger and shake him up.

Also notable was that CC Brown got pressure on Ben Rotless and made a few early tackles. If you watch it again you will see that the Steelers running game was not all that great in the first half, and the longer runs were missed tackles.

What was shocking was how Chris Myers was manhandled most of the first half, and how the Steelers did not miss ANY open field tackles in the first half. I plan to watch the second half tonight and may post on it tomorrow. I would not be surprised if Schaub did get a concussion on that hit. The Texans basically played Pittsburg to a draw in the first quarter. Watch it again - you will see.
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are you sure about that? I watched it on Short Cuts two times yesteday, and I saw Winston getting pushed around/back alot. In addition, it was his man who got past him and sacked MS when MS was running to the sidelines. Maybe you have a better eye for OL talent than I do, but from what I saw, Winston was pretty much manhandled.
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You are a brave person. I just want to forget that game.
Yeah I didn't even bother rewatching it....as soon as it was over I deleted it right off my DVR.
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Default Re: Just Re-watched Steeler game on DVR, WOW!

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy View Post
Well, I watched the first half with my eyes on the two lines. Here are some surprising observations:

1. Okoye actually won his individual battle most of the time and certainly wasn't manhandled.

2. The DL has a whole was pretty good in the 1st half. Though, I agree with LZ that TJ can't hold his grown in the 3 technique.

3. Winston was awesome!, particularly sealing and getting to the second level in the run game. It's clear to see that once the blocking tightens up a little more and the backs make their reads a little quicker there will be some big plays in the run game.

4. Brown played excellent in the first half.

5. Pitts was very agressive on the back side and did a good job on the second level as well.

6. Leach struggled in the run game and missing the blitzer on the second drive cost the Texans the game, because.....

7. I can't overemphasize the reality of this enough: Schuab received a concussion on that first sack late in the first quarter. Up until that point he was sharp, poised, and accurate. While the hit didn't look violent, he was clearly shaken up. Then, he literally doesn't make another good pass or decision the entire half. After halftime, he comes out and looks pretty much like himself again (after he's cleared up some in the head) but the team and circumstances around him had deteriorated beyond repair. HUGE MISTAKE BY THE TEXAN'S STAFF TO LEAVE HIM IN THERE AND RISK HIS HEALTH AND COST THE TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN!!!


Rewatch the game if you can. It's very illuminating!
Good stuff Dale.
Here's some questions for you:
OLine -
We knew that Winstin & Pitts were our best OLinemen, and your take on
Brown, atleast how he did in the first half, is encouraging.
Your thoughts on the rest of the OLine starters - Myers & the RG (Briesle?) ?
DLine -
In spite of your favorable comments on Okoye, you probably know he made not a single tackle, not even an assist ? Did Mario do as well as we initially thought ? And Weavers performance ?
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