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Old 09-10-2008   #101
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

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and some people go into "suicide mode"

we are all "individuals" that handle things differently...........
Who are you, VY's brother?

I don't wish any ill on the dude personally. I've dealt with anxiety and things like that on a personal as well as family level and I know what it's like to experience difficult emotions that you can't explain or wrap your mind around.

But you were sure flinging the mud mercilessly at David Carr for years, and you've said a lot of harsh things to other posters on these boards. Where was all of this empathetic, put-yourself-in-his-shoes stuff then?

I think VY is a turd of a football player and this, combined with Mario's play, only reinforces my long-held belief that we drafted the right guy. But personally, I don't have anything against him and wish him the best in his recovery, whatever demons he is fighting now.
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

Carr deserved it but at this point so does Vince. When you play poorly and then show no commitment to making things better and changing things you deserve all the criticism you get, personal or not. Carr sucked and at this point so has Vince since the end of his Rookie Year. I thought he would turn things around this year but with his attitude problem it might just get worse.
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Carr deserved it but at this point so does Vince. When you play poorly and then show no commitment to making things better and changing things you deserve all the criticism you get, personal or not. Carr sucked and at this point so does Vince.
Carr did suck. I just think it's funny that Dream is so regularly harsh on other players and even to other posters here in other threads and yet he is pulling every "but" in the book out and advocating this compassionate empathy for his hero now.
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

I know a whole lot about anxiety and depression. I spent about in year in therapy for anxiety and learned so much I can probably be a therapist myself.

Chemical imbalances do exist however they are a result of unhealthy behavior and negative thought patterns. Over time those become automatic because one unknowingly programs their brain to do those things. Chemical imbalances are not some biological defect in the brain as big pharma and even some doctors would like you to believe.

However I am not yet convinced VY is truly experiencing a true anxiety / depression issue or if he just can't handle the pressure of the NFL for many reasons already expressed in this thread. It could be a combination of all the above. It is true that when one is having an anxiety issue they are generally over senstive and over react to everything due to nervous system overstimulation.

The only way to really reverse this is to help that person change his unhealthy behaviors and bad thought patterns which put him in his condition to start with. That takes a good bit of time and a LOT of work on the patients part. Part of that recovery process also involves removing that person from stressful situations which in VY's case would involve being out of football for at least a year.

For his sake hopefully he won't go the medication route if anxiety & depression are truly his issue. Those meds are dangerous, only prolong and often worsen the problem.

OK, I am off my therapist chair.
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I know a whole lot about anxiety and depression. I spent about in year in therapy for anxiety and learned so much I can probably be a therapist myself.

Chemical imbalances do exist however they are a result of unhealthy behavior and negative thought patterns. Over time those become automatic because one unknowingly programs their brain to do those things. Chemical imbalances are not some biological defect in the brain as big pharma and even some doctors would like you to believe.

However I am not yet convinced VY is truly experiencing a true anxiety / depression issue or if he just can't handle the pressure of the NFL for many reasons already expressed in this thread. It could be a combination of all the above. It is true that when one is having an anxiety issue they are generally over senstive and over react to everything due to nervous system overstimulation.

The only way to really reverse this is to help that person change his unhealthy behaviors and bad thought patterns which put him in his condition to start with. That takes a good bit of time and a LOT of work on the patients part. Part of that recovery process also involves removing that person from stressful situations which in VY's case would involve being out of football for at least a year.

For his sake hopefully he won't go the medication route if anxiety & depression are truly his issue. Those meds are dangerous, only prolong and often worsen the problem.

OK, I am off my therapist chair.
In layman terms:

The only demon he faces is going from BMOC to a mediocre / poor QB at the next level. There's a term for it. It's called "my pee-pee hurts coach" syndrome.
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The only demon he faces is going from BMOC to a mediocre / poor QB at the next level. There's a term for it. It's called "my pee-pee hurts coach" syndrome.
Hmm....I wonder if he ever hung out with McLady....
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

My take on the whole Vince Young thing is that he got by on his talent and never had to grow up. Now's his chance. I wouldn't say he's blowing it because we all go through stupid periods before we grow up. Or, well, I know I sure did. But I think he's definitely at a crossroads where he can choose to grow up and grow into his career or he can continue to be a child and party (pity or otherwise) his career away.

Of course, that's just me.
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My take on the whole Vince Young thing is that he got by on his talent and never had to grow up. Now's his chance. I wouldn't say he's blowing it because we all go through stupid periods before we grow up. Or, well, I know I sure did. But I think he's definitely at a crossroads where he can choose to grow up and grow into his career or he can continue to be a child and party (pity or otherwise) his career away.

Of course, that's just me.
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

As a Titan fan, I have no sympathy at all for him and think this has taken a turn for the stupid.. He should count his lucky stars he's in Nashville and not a town that eats their own like Philly, Chicago or NYC. Can you imagine how Philly fans would skewer him if he was an Eagle? Man, look at how they booed McNabb, and he took them to a Super Bowl.

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Carr deserved it but at this point so does Vince. When you play poorly and then show no commitment to making things better and changing things you deserve all the criticism you get, personal or not. Carr sucked and at this point so has Vince since the end of his Rookie Year. I thought he would turn things around this year but with his attitude problem it might just get worse.
Been saying he sucked for a while and you have been vile and subhuman against me cause poor little vy went to ut. Seriously, I am laughing at all this. Alll of you vy jock-eyepatch wearing lets say disparaging remarks to the non-vy fans deserve all of this karma. At least Carr never quit on his team. He played like dog poo but never ever quit.

How does that jock smell now?

vy is a quiter!!
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He should have seen what Mario went through.....I'm glad Mario was strong enough to ignore the people that absolutely hated him. I probably would have popped some steam off eventually.
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lol you literally have zero clue what's going on in Young's head
Never said I did. Matter of fact I did not even bring up the whole "whats going on in Young's head" issue. Looks to me that Young is eating not just a slice, but a whole Humble Pie. That can be harder for some to choke down then others.

I did state that I think he is having a particularly bad case of boo boo lip at the moment. Not in those exact words of course. If he continues this downward spiral and does not pull himself out of this funk it could lead to depression and anxiety problems.

I do find it rather peculiar that these issues with Young pop up only during football season though. With the media hype surrounding this guy you would have figured we would have heard something before his journey to the NFL or during the off season at least.
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we are all "individuals" that handle things differently...........
And Vince's way of handling things is pouting and acting like a three year old when he facs criticism. that's the only point people are trying to make. You say that he has some abandoned childhood issues, maybe so, but I ask you this. Where were all these issues when he was at UT? Maybe he's been a pampered star athlete his whole life until things started to get bumpy in the pro's and he faced criticism,and instead of taking it like a man he does what he's doing now. Bottom line, he needs to grow up.
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Default Re: VY's Mommy: "He's hurting inside and out."

i didnt wanna read everything.. so this might have been posted already... but as much as i love vince young for bring the ship back to UT... he has to cowboy the ******* up and get over it.... look at all the stuff mario had to put up with untill last season..... its simple vince.. make plays and dont turn the ball over....
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Chemical imbalances do exist however they are a result of unhealthy behavior and negative thought patterns. Over time those become automatic because one unknowingly programs their brain to do those things. Chemical imbalances are not some biological defect in the brain as big pharma and even some doctors would like you to believe.
this is the most nonsensical post made on this forum, and i've seen a lot of them, most coming from me
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this is the most nonsensical post made on this forum, and i've seen a lot of them, most coming from me
i can back hook 'em up on that one


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lol what does that even mean, do you have any idea what you're talking about? just saying "the mind is a very powerful weapon" doesn't actually make it true fyi, it just means you don't understand how the brain works
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also anytime someone says "BIG PHARMACY" my retinas start to shoot blood from the intense eyerolling that follows
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what it means I have dealt with depression and how thought patterns in certain situations can affect someone... social anxiety ....is one thing

I have had a panic attack at one time many years ago in austin when I couldn't walk into a HEB (grocery store) because I felt "watched"


I know it was all in my mind ... but it was a very uncomfortable feeling and I felt I couldn't do anything about it
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