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Old 09-09-2008   #41
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So we can look forward to another rookie QB having a hall-of-fame game against us?
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So we can look forward to another rookie QB having a hall-of-fame game against us?
kinda reminds me of the Astros when they play against a pitcher making his major league debut... seems to burn the astros every time
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Okay. I've heard other people say the same thing so please do not take this like I am just pointing this out just to you.

What makes you think that Frank Bush will do a better job than Richard Smith has? Originally the plan was going to be a Bush-Smith co-coordinator thing, mostly because at the time we were looking for DCs, there weren't that many good candidates available.

So, my question to you is. What in Frank Bush's track record makes you think that he would do any better of a job? Here's his bio

People have mentioned Ray Rhodes too, but health/age wise, I'm not sure that is much of a solution either.

In my opinion, if you have an offensive head coach, you need a defensive guy with a proven track record of success to give the keys to the defense to. The timing isn't very good right now because it is already game on.

McNair is very very reluctant to boot coaches because he admires those organizations that are stable, that aren't the reflexive-Redskins mode. But at some point, it is likely to get very very bad.

And maybe he gets booted anyway if things get bleak enough. But the first order of bidness I'd like to see when the offseason happens is a new defensive coordinator.

I'd love a proven guy. However, I think Bush makes the most sense on an interim basis. I know that the defense he was part of in Arizona was an agressive one and I believe he was one of the architects of that scheme. Also, he is first on Kubes list in '06...

He's not my ideal choice. Only the best choice I see given the circumstances.
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I'd love a proven guy. However, I think Bush makes the most sense on an interim basis. I know that the defense he was part of in Arizona was an agressive one and I believe he was one of the architects of that scheme. Also, he is first on Kubes list in '06...

He's not my ideal choice. Only the best choice I see given the circumstances.
That is the key word. There should be much better choices on the market after the season is finished IF this were to happen.
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Gary Kubiak should totally be on the hot seat.

Our running game was supposed to get so much better under him and his great running system. It has only gotten worse.

We have added better defensive players and our defense hasn't gotten that much better.

He said that he felt that he could WIN with Carr. Maybe he said that he get hired, but that is still a speculative guess. What happened to Shaub all of a sudden now? Kubiak didn't even allow Rosenfels to compete for the starting job with Shaub for god sakes. If Shaub isn't a good QB, then that whole thing will really bother me.

Kubiak hasn't done a bad job at all. He has done a decent job.


I'm not saying he should be fired, but he should be on the hot seat. This will be his 3rd year here, and we should be improving. There are plenty of other coaches around the league that are on the hot seat like Mangini, Marinelli, and a few others, so why should Kubiak not be amonst others who are in the hot seat who have been with their teams around the same amount of time? So many fans bought into Kubiak as soon as he got here before he even accomplished anything. He hasn't proven that he is the real deal as a head coach. He hasn't proven that he isn't either. I'd say that this season should tell us for the most part by the end.



Personally I would love to make a play for Bill Cowher. I'd take him over anyone else right now. I bet that he'd want to come here as well.
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Gary Kubiak should totally be on the hot seat.

Our running game was supposed to get so much better under him and his great running system. It has only gotten worse.

We have added better defensive players and our defense hasn't gotten that much better.

He said that he felt that he could WIN with Carr. Maybe he said that he get hired, but that is still a speculative guess. What happened to Shaub all of a sudden now? Kubiak didn't even allow Rosenfels to compete for the starting job with Shaub for god sakes. If Shaub isn't a good QB, then that whole thing will really bother me.

Kubiak hasn't done a bad job at all. He has done a decent job.


I'm not saying he should be fired, but he should be on the hot seat. This will be his 3rd year here, and we should be improving. There are plenty of other coaches around the league that are on the hot seat like Mangini, Marinelli, and a few others, so why should Kubiak not be amonst others who are in the hot seat who have been with their teams around the same amount of time? So many fans bought into Kubiak as soon as he got here before he even accomplished anything. He hasn't proven that he is the real deal as a head coach. He hasn't proven that he isn't either. I'd say that this season should tell us for the most part by the end.



Personally I would love to make a play for Bill Cowher. I'd take him over anyone else right now. I bet that he'd want to come here as well.
Cowher left his home city. Cowher lives in NC. Why would Cowher want to come to Houston Texas after we would fire the previous coach after three years?
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My big thing is to be three years into a rebuilding project and to not just get beat, but to get their manhood taken from them is very telling.

Anyone care to guess where the Dolphins will be in three years after Parcells has taken over. Yeah, yeah, he'll be one or two years from leaving at that point, but they'll be contending. His track record suggests that is what will happen.

Anyone care to guess where we are three years in? I know it is the first game and I didn't expect to beat the Steelers on the road in their home opener, but I did expect us to fight, be in the game, & not be glad that they didn't hang half a hundred on us....because they certainly could have.

We're moving into Bengals, Buccaneers, & dare I say Cards territory. While it might take decades to move into Cards territory, we're certainly gaining the reputation as a franchise of hapless losers who can't help but step on our schlongs year after year.

A lot of folks don't want to put Kubes on the hot seat, but I'm from the school of thought that you give the keys to the head man or woman and let them do their job. If they don't, you fire them and find someone else. If Richard Smith is the reason for our moribund defense, then Kubes needs to address it or fire him. If he can't or won't do that, then he deserves to go down with the ship. No excuses.
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Your use of the word dumb is not really the best terminology to make your point.

Take away the Carr situation, I see some very similar traits of Kubiak's teams to Caper's teams.

The next 4 to 5 games will show us a lot. The Texans post only 1 or 2 wins during that stretch and play similarily to their play against the Steelers or marginal improvement, this is 2005 all over again.

This is year 3 of Kubiak and still he hasn't got the Texans close to turning the the corner.
I think 8-8 last year was close. The offense was terrible against one of the best Defenses in the league.

In my opinion I think if anyone should be on the hot seat it should be Richard Smith.

The complete lack of run defense in inexcusable.
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Kubes has had his pressers and he has said the Defense line played well,
What game was he watching?
Playoffs, Who said anything about playoffs

Well Mr. Kubiak I think you did.

He has a Hot seat and he deserves it after putting that on the feild for opening day.

Mario I think might have saved the fire Kubiak threads, I do not know but He has got to get this team under control or what good is he to us.

We are not here to pay for a lets watch the Kubiak Ego at Reliant.

We want a Winning Football Team.

That being said if Kubiak thinks David Shaub is the hero then he had better prove it sunday.

We have a QB who is willing to take risks to win a game and I do not see Matt Carr doing that.

If the Line cannot block then get rid of the ball in 4 seconds MATT!!!!!

How Bout MATT doing a shotgun, or does he know how to do that.

This team is better than they showed and why did the defense do better in the previous years, could it be coaching?

Come on Fans we are going after the Ravens and they shall win here nevermore. We are gonna need the 12th man for this one.

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Gary Kubiak should totally be on the hot seat.

Our running game was supposed to get so much better under him and his great running system. It has only gotten worse.

The Capers era had a healthy Dominick Davis-Williams.
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Wow.... I am totally shocked. I can not believe what one game has done to our fans. On both sites. I do not know what to say anymore.. I have never heard of so much bellyaching in my life. Its like this on both sites. I cannot take it. and whats worse if you stand up and offer up some optimisim you get whacked. You guys in houston have no idea how fortunate you are. You have a great franchise with a great owner and all you do is complain and whine about how you might not want to support your team. get over it and get over your opinions. enjoy your freaking team.You have had two nfl franchises and trust me you wont get a third.

Enjoy your team. You are not in the black hole of Texas where all they do is talk about the Cowboys , even during the spurs' playoff runs. At least yall get Texan coverage...as for us in other parts of Texas.. we get diddly squat. No radio coverage in San Antonio...you cant find Texans jersies in stores (even ones called Texas sports) and forget about radio or tv. TV has zero coverage unless they loose. Radio has a guy who used to broadcast for the cowboys. (so it usually doesnt go well)
so they had a bad game big whoop, so they ruiend your opening day buzz, whoopdie dooo. It happenned to me as well.... i had barbequed for hrs before the game but lost my appetite in the first quarter..... I was so depressed after the game that i couldnt sit still with out saying a curse word. I spent all afternoon in a bad mood until my wife put it in perspective.... its just one game. It cant be that simple can it.... well until they loose nine or ten like that.. it is. I know you guys see problems on the horizon, just think if yall can, the guys who get paid to do so may be doing something about it. Have faith and keep drinking that kool aid and remember... at least youre not a cowboys fan.
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I agree there is so much negativity on these boards it is almost not worth checking the posts.

It was 1 game, 1 game agaist the Steelers - not the Raiders or the 49ers - the Steelers. It was not a game in he middle of the season, it was the first game. Sometimes a team starts out slow and gets better as the season progresses. Oops - sorry - not Houston. We Lost a game, the season is over, we are the most horrible football team on earth.

Did you see how bad Indy looked? Or Seattle? Did we have to put out an APB for out QB?

Have you had to put up with 40 years of not winning a Super Bowl like the Jets or however many years of having a good football team and not winning a playoff game like the Cowgirls?

You guys are making it sound like it is the end of the world when it is only 1 game.

Doom and Gloom has come to Houston. Looks to me like almost everyone posting this week are just band wagon fair weather fans. Except for those of you who know more about coaching than the NFL coaches do. If you guys are such experts as to who should do what, when, why are you posting on this board instead of coaching in the NFL?
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Finally, he shows up!

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The next 4 to 5 games will show us a lot. The Texans post only 1 or 2 wins during that stretch and play similarily to their play against the Steelers or marginal improvement, this is 2005 all over again.

You've seen our schedule, how did you predict the Texans doing in their first 5 games. Even before the season, was anybody so high on this team that they thought we would start 3-2 or better? If we post "only 1 or 2 wins during that stretch" we will be lightyears better than the '05 squad.
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You guys are ninny's. I understand being upset that the team got blown out on the road in an opener, but I don't think anybody, even on this board, was expecting the run game to take a total 180 degree turnaround in the course of 10 days.

And I almost hate to say it, but we're probably going into our bye week before we start seeing what the running game is actually supposed to look like. That'll be because of the O-line needing time to take in the entire system, the running backs getting used to what's going on in front of them, and whatnot.

The Defense is scary to watch, but not in a good way. This is something that doesn't look to improve as the season goes on, mostly because every offensive coordinator in the league knows that you double or triple Mario and just let the other d-linemen get beat 1-on-1. That's on the D-coordinator, and Travis Johnson being pretty much a bust. You run at him and Weaver, it's almost a garunteed 5 yards. You spot any team that sort of carrying average you'll get the cleats all over you.
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Wow.... I am totally shocked. I can not believe what one game has done to our fans. On both sites. I do not know what to say anymore.. I have never heard of so much bellyaching in my life. Its like this on both sites. I cannot take it. and whats worse if you stand up and offer up some optimisim you get whacked. You guys in houston have no idea how fortunate you are. You have a great franchise with a great owner and all you do is complain and whine about how you might not want to support your team. get over it and get over your opinions. enjoy your freaking team.You have had two nfl franchises and trust me you wont get a third.

Enjoy your team. You are not in the black hole of Texas where all they do is talk about the Cowboys , even during the spurs' playoff runs. At least yall get Texan coverage...as for us in other parts of Texas.. we get diddly squat. No radio coverage in San Antonio...you cant find Texans jersies in stores (even ones called Texas sports) and forget about radio or tv. TV has zero coverage unless they loose. Radio has a guy who used to broadcast for the cowboys. (so it usually doesnt go well)
so they had a bad game big whoop, so they ruiend your opening day buzz, whoopdie dooo. It happenned to me as well.... i had barbequed for hrs before the game but lost my appetite in the first quarter..... I was so depressed after the game that i couldnt sit still with out saying a curse word. I spent all afternoon in a bad mood until my wife put it in perspective.... its just one game. It cant be that simple can it.... well until they loose nine or ten like that.. it is. I know you guys see problems on the horizon, just think if yall can, the guys who get paid to do so may be doing something about it. Have faith and keep drinking that kool aid and remember... at least youre not a cowboys fan.

Know what dude, When a duck quacks you know it is a duck. And we had a dead one Sunday.

If we did not care about the team then we would take your approach to the game on Sunday.

We are going on a coach that promised us that he had the team ready and then Dallas happened, The Coach said it is preseason and we will be fine.

We were not fine and we looked like a pop warner team, Got embarrassed in Pittifulsburg. Do not give me the old they are a playoff team. From what the coach is talking to us about so are we. So do not come in here and start blowing smoke or you will start a fire and i will be the flame. Enjoy your sweet BBQ in the dessert and let us talk how we want about our miserable example of a football team. We are not jumping ship we are trying to convey that we are not going to wait till we lost 10 or 11 games to get Pissed. We are Mad as Hell and we are not taking another 5 years of "this is our QB and that is that." We need to use all we have to win every game and if the coach cannot realize that then we will call for his head plane and simple.

I know the team will get better but they need to do it Quick, we only have 15 games to get into the playoffs and the way we look we won't even sniff the 500 season.

I do not lose my appetite cause I know how to BBQ and is is good.
Maybe you should change your recipe or something.

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Wow.... I am totally shocked. I can not believe what one game has done to our fans. On both sites. I do not know what to say anymore.. I have never heard of so much bellyaching in my life. Its like this on both sites. I cannot take it. and whats worse if you stand up and offer up some optimisim you get whacked. You guys in houston have no idea how fortunate you are. You have a great franchise with a great owner and all you do is complain and whine about how you might not want to support your team. get over it and get over your opinions. enjoy your freaking team.You have had two nfl franchises and trust me you wont get a third.

Enjoy your team. You are not in the black hole of Texas where all they do is talk about the Cowboys , even during the spurs' playoff runs. At least yall get Texan coverage...as for us in other parts of Texas.. we get diddly squat. No radio coverage in San Antonio...you cant find Texans jersies in stores (even ones called Texas sports) and forget about radio or tv. TV has zero coverage unless they loose. Radio has a guy who used to broadcast for the cowboys. (so it usually doesnt go well)
so they had a bad game big whoop, so they ruiend your opening day buzz, whoopdie dooo. It happenned to me as well.... i had barbequed for hrs before the game but lost my appetite in the first quarter..... I was so depressed after the game that i couldnt sit still with out saying a curse word. I spent all afternoon in a bad mood until my wife put it in perspective.... its just one game. It cant be that simple can it.... well until they loose nine or ten like that.. it is. I know you guys see problems on the horizon, just think if yall can, the guys who get paid to do so may be doing something about it. Have faith and keep drinking that kool aid and remember... at least youre not a cowboys fan.
Look at it this way. If the boys start to show some promise...any promise of success over time, then it won't be Cowboys all the time all over the place. Talk and coverage won't be confined the greater Houston area. Hell you should be calling for improvement louder because of what you deal with in SA.

Teams build a loyal fan base by longevity in a locale as well as by winning. It doesn't have to be a dynasty, but you've got to have some good times that people draw upon to make them life long fans.

No-one sits around and says: "Remember when we got drilled by the Steelers in the season opener and nearly half the stadium died due to heat exhaustion with the roof open? Ya....those were good times. I love the Texans."

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So, to sum up:

Blah blah, we suck.

Blah blah, it's one game.

Blah blah, fire X.

Blah blah, bench X.

Cut the human injury.

Start the backup.

I could probably read this on half the message boards in the league.
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Look at it this way. If the boys start to show some promise...any promise of success over time, then it won't be Cowboys all the time all over the place. Talk and coverage won't be confined the greater Houston area. Hell you should be calling for improvement louder because of what you deal with in SA.

Teams build a loyal fan base by longevity in a locale as well as by winning. It doesn't have to be a dynasty, but you've got to have some good times that people draw upon to make them life long fans.

No-one sits around and says: "Remember when we got drilled by the Steelers in the season opener and nearly half the stadium died due to heat exhaustion with the roof open? Ya....those were good times. I love the Texans."

Go Texans
Ill see to your point and trust me I agree that they need to start winning but the memory of not having a team to root for is still fresh in my mind.

The worst Houston loss is not that game but the one in Buffalo...which would you wrather have a blowout in the first game or gut wrenching loss that would be the pinnacle of a franchise. (does it still hurt you when you see it on espnclassic?) Ill take what happened on Sunday over that any day. ( it still hurts me more than .4)

As for expanding the fanbase in SA check out the gem the marketing department of your team left for usw in SA.

"Dear Texans Fan in San Antonio,

Be assured that we realize the importance of the San Antonio market and that we have many Texans fans that we must cater to. We are continuing to speak with both radio and television stations in order for them to carry all of our games.

On the radio side, KTKR 760AM dropped the Texans games this year so that they could air a triple-header on Sunday(which they did before and now they have bluestar show on??hmmmm?) and the Monday Night Football game each week. With no other legitimate sports station in San Antonio, it has been difficult for us to find the right station for that fit.(guess they didnt turn the dial to espn 1250 the zone)
On the television side, we are continuing to search for a station that will air all our games and not just certain selected or parts of our games.

Our suggestion continues to be that of communicating your wants with your local radio and television stations so that they can realize the significance of carrying Texans games for their listeners and viewers in San Antonio since they make the ultimate decisions regarding coverage.( no way why hadnt we thought of that!!!!)
Finally, the Texans will once again be making a stop in San Antonio on Sept. 20-21 as part of their outreach tour. This time around, we will be in San Antonio on a Sat. & Sun. during one of our away game weekends doing a community (youth/hospital) appearance, mall appearance and sponsor appearance (probably HEB) with Cheerleaders, TORO, and possibly some Houston Texans Ambassadors (former Oilers’ players). On that Sunday, we would again make some restaurant/bar appearances during our game before we head back. Please help us get the word out and continue visiting HoustonTexans.com for more details.

Also, the Bucs preseason game will be aired in Austin on the CW network, which I believe is Channel 54. " Texans marketing department

Now unlike Kubiak's presser this was a cop out .. so that is why you shouldnt get upset over one game. your right expanding our fanbase is crucial.There are bigger battles and they will be solved by winning and in time that will come.
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Did anyone besides me see the Raiders get beaten like a rented mule in their house on national tv? Because if you didn't, you didn't hear Dika say that games like that happen no matter how you prepare. The best way to look at it is that there will be other days, so move on.
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