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Old 09-02-2008   #21
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I too have been a little puzzled about some of their moves but am willing to give them a chance to prove themselves. As far as keeping Studdard over Frye, the only reason I can think of is that Studdard is a pure Guard and Frye is a Tackle that they were going to try at Guard. And, since they were short on Guards, due to Weary, Jackson, and Stevenson all being on IR, and they already had 4 Tackles, they went with the player who had more experience at Guard. I still think Frye will end up on the PS.

As for keeping Zgonina over Maddox, that one really had me stumped, but I think it may have had to do with Zgonina being the backup LS to Pittman. They also had Dreessen listed as the 3rd string LS, but I don't think he has much experience doing it. I think I heard he just learned to do it this year.

Also, why they didn't put Boyd or Brink on the PS has me concerned too. I guess they just felt like rolling the dice with Matt and Sage. Hope they can stay healthy. JMHO!
I like your logic. I also think Frye was found lacking as a tackle and due to his injury last year, is a year behind in his conversion to guard.
Also, Boyd is out of P/S eligibility.
Brink is gutty but doesn't have big-time arm strength, IMHO.
I think a QB will show up on the P/S before too much longer. They just can't go for too long wearing out their only two QBs in practice.
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The only conclusion I can draw is that its just plain old fashioned cronyism. And in this case, Kubiak is passing out personal favors at the expense of MY FOOTBALL TEAM, and I don't like it one damn bit.
Kubiak is the one who insisted on bringing in Gibbs and his ZB system and making an organizational commitment to win with that approach. Then he proceeds to sabotage his own plan by releasing an OLineman who clearly epitimizes the athleticism needed in Gibbs system while retaining one
who just as clearly lacks those same athletic skills.
Really?! That is the only conclusion you can draw?!

Well, I for one, completely agree. I mean, it couldn't be that the people in charge of our football operations actually know a little more than us.

While I'm not a huge Studdard fan, and I don't completely understand the move, I'll give it a little time before I pass judgement. I seriously doubt that Kubiak brought in Gibbs and completely ignores his opinions on the OL.
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Kubiak has said it often--he likes Studdard and believes he's done well. Anywho. he doesn't play his 3rd string qbs so why bother keeping them 0n the roster? Too, we don't try to sc0re much the first part of the season with anyone, so why bother.
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This is not surprising to me at all. The only thing that is surprising is that he was not part of the Saturday cuts. I keep hearing you guys talk about his athleticism and how he was better than Studdard. IIRC Studdard saw playing time last year while Frye couldn't beat our Jordan Black for playing time.

And I love how some are starting to hint at favoritism as to why Frye is cut and not Studdard.

The Bi-Polar disorder is starting to show as the collective personalities of our fan base come together for the season opener. First Kubes is an Aggie and hates anything orange. Now Kubiak is partial to Texas teams and loves UT.

Frye was a blip on the radar and nothing more.
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We'll see Frye's value soon enough if someone picks him up .
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This is not surprising to me at all. The only thing that is surprising is that he was not part of the Saturday cuts. I keep hearing you guys talk about his athleticism and how he was better than Studdard. IIRC Studdard saw playing time last year while Frye couldn't beat our Jordan Black for playing time.

And I love how some are starting to hint at favoritism as to why Frye is cut and not Studdard.

The Bi-Polar disorder is starting to show as the collective personalities of our fan base come together for the season opener. First Kubes is an Aggie and hates anything orange. Now Kubiak is partial to Texas teams and loves UT.

Frye was a blip on the radar and nothing more.

I dont care about college allegiances one bit, have a reputation as an optimistic fan on these boards, and I am not hinting at favortism, though some have.

I'm just concerned. People with incredible amounts of knowledge still make poor judgements. And, one doesn't have to have as much knowledge as another in order to make a better judgement.

Did you watch Studdard this pre-season? I'm sorry but he was disgustingly awful. He basically whiffs in pass protection every 3rd drop back. And, gets thrown aside at least that much. His arms don't extend out past his belly- which speaks some to his short arms but more to his beer-bonging physique. Meanwhile, Frye played quite well at RT. Outside of Butler, Frye was the most adept lineman this pre-season at cut blocking on the backside of running plays. And, he seemed to play with a bit of a nasty streak. Not only that but it looks like he treats his body with some concern for it and not like a garbage disposal. So, this one is perplexing.
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This cut is reminiscant of last year's trading of Jason Babin. While Babin certainly didn't live up to his draft status, He was a solid pass rusher. You could count on him to get the edge, dip under the tackle and get around the QB. If we still had him on the team, the pass rush would be less of a concern. However, it always seemed that Kubiak was postured against him- perhaps with cause though I just don't know. Similarly, Frye was drafted and came in and immediately Kubiak seemed down on the guy. Though he was an athletic and successful LT in college, they immediately talked about moving him to guard. He seemed frustrated with his injury and then Frye just dropped of his radar. This pre-season, it seemed predetermined that Frye would remain behind Studdard on the depth chart... I just don't know why.
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As for keeping Zgonina over Maddox, that one really had me stumped, but I think it may have had to do with Zgonina being the backup LS to Pittman.
Naw, I think it has more to do with the fact that Zgonina and Rick Smith played at Purdue together, AND WERE FREAKIN ROOMMATES!!! I didn't like Maddox and Frye being let go. Headscratchers?!? But hey, Petey is still a Texan
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Is it just me, or does it seem like until he was cut, Bradndon Frye was largely an afterthought on this board?
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Is it just me, or does it seem like until he was cut, Bradndon Frye was largely an afterthought on this board?
Not for me he wasn't. I was enciting heated arguments all summer suggesting that Salaam should be cut before Frye. I thought that other than Butler, Frye was our best olineman this preseason.
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i'll go on record saying that DullMurphy was always a big supporter of Frye. I watched Frye at the first and 3rd preseason game pretty closely and I'll agree that he looked very good. I think more so in the first than 3rd though and that suggests to me that maybe he didn't improve as expected. BUT, there is no doubt in my mind that he looked better TO ME than Kasey Duddard did throughout the entire preseason. So I have a harder time accepting that Frye was worse than Studdard especially (as mentioned) in Gibbs' system.

All I can figure is maybe he was just awful at Guard or something.
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Is it just me, or does it seem like until he was cut, Bradndon Frye was largely an afterthought on this board?
It's not just you. I mean if Babin is now somehow considered a decent edge rusher anything is possible.

I love how some people think they can form better opinions of certain players from 50 some odd snaps in preseason, when the people who actually make the descision have literally seen 1,000 of snaps from practice and games plus drills. Let's just say I'm glad that Kubiak and Smith run this team.

Fyre was not making the conversion to OG, and is not as good an OT as Brown, Winston, Salaam and Butler.
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Naw, I think it has more to do with the fact that Zgonina and Rick Smith played at Purdue together, AND WERE FREAKIN ROOMMATES!!! I didn't like Maddox and Frye being let go. Headscratchers?!? But hey, Petey is still a Texan
Yeah cause Rick Smith is known for making stupid desicions...right?
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It's not just you. I mean if Babin is now somehow considered a decent edge rusher anything is possible.

I love how some people think they can form better opinions of certain players from 50 some odd snaps in preseason, when the people who actually make the descision have literally seen 1,000 of snaps from practice and games plus drills. Let's just say I'm glad that Kubiak and Smith run this team.

Fyre was not making the conversion to OG, and is not as good an OT as Brown, Winston, Salaam and Butler.

Give me a break! I don't think "i'm concerned" is quite the same thing as claiming that I'd be a better GM than Rick Smith. I love both those guys and am thrilled with them.

By the way, since Frye was never given one snap at guard in the pre-season it might be a little unfair to cut him because he wasn't able to make the conversion. If that was the case then I'm definitely questioning how they handled the situation. He should have been given some snaps at guard in a game situation.
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Really?! That is the only conclusion you can draw?!

Well, I for one, completely agree. I mean, it couldn't be that the people in charge of our football operations actually know a little more than us.

While I'm not a huge Studdard fan, and I don't completely understand the move, I'll give it a little time before I pass judgement. I seriously doubt that Kubiak brought in Gibbs and completely ignores his opinions on the OL.
Keeping Studdard as one of the OLineman on your 53-man roster when you're team employs the ZB system is about as logical as a track coach using a marathon runner as a member of his 400 Meter Sprint Relay team.
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Give me a break! I don't think "i'm concerned" is quite the same thing as claiming that I'd be a better GM than Rick Smith. I love both those guys and am thrilled with them.

By the way, since Frye was never given one snap at guard in the pre-season it might be a little unfair to cut him because he wasn't able to make the conversion. If that was the case then I'm definitely questioning how they handled the situation. He should have been given some snaps at guard in a game situation.
If he wasn't even given a chance at OG (during a game), and was the 5th best OT on the roster why are you so concerned over him being cut?

Brown and Salaam have the LT position covered, as do Winston and from what I've seen a vastly improved Butler have the RT spot covered what purpose does keeping Frye serve?
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Give me a break! I don't think "i'm concerned" is quite the same thing as claiming that I'd be a better GM than Rick Smith. I love both those guys and am thrilled with them.

By the way, since Frye was never given one snap at guard in the pre-season it might be a little unfair to cut him because he wasn't able to make the conversion. If that was the case then I'm definitely questioning how they handled the situation. He should have been given some snaps at guard in a game situation.
Hmm, wasn't it you that was barraging me with negative comments over my opinion of Frye's play? Yes, yes I think it was. You actually went and called me a name IIRC. Our little conversation has since been deleted, but has not been forgotten.

Oddly enough, it seems Salaam is still here too. Surprise, surprise!
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I guess I will have to watch the tape again, but I thought Studdard does pretty well getting to the second level. I recall Slaton's first nice run against the Cowboys being sprung by a Studdard block at the second level.

He looks to be a carefree bowling ball out there. Now in the passing game, he was stuck in the gutter way to often.
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And in related News on another thread the Texans signed a CB/Safety to take the place of Frye. Holy crap that means Smithiak actually had a plan. Damn It to hell, we are not used to a GM who is two steps ahead. Now if we can just get this "Man the Life Boats" approach out of here everytime a move is made we might actually have turned the corner into positive atmosphere.

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I love how some people think they can form better opinions of certain players from 50 some odd snaps in preseason, when the people who actually make the descision have literally seen 1,000 of snaps from practice and games plus drills.
Strong statement.

Should I take this to mean that you never question a decision any coaching staff or front office makes?

I believe two things.

1) Team leadership can make bad decisions even with the best of intentions. Mistakes occur.

2) Team leadership makes decisions based on many things besides performance. A positive example of this (to me anyway) is bypassing a player for character issues. Some are made for other non-performance issues. Many of these are political in nature and can lead to making decisions that hurt the team on the field. That is the nature of business.
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