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Old 09-01-2008   #21
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Which impact back would you have picked up in the 7th round?
I'd take Forsett over Darius Walker or Chris Taylor, TBH. Of course, that's using hindsight.
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I believe the Titans had the recipe down....i mean what a dominant offensive and defensive line......but they had to go and screw it all up and draft the worst NFL quarterback who has ever lived..( yes worse than Dilfer, Mark Malone, Craig Whelihan, Billy Joe Tolliver, David Carr, etc... )

I know it's off topic...but...good god....Vince Young is without a doubt the worst NFL quarterback in the history of the game....i have never seen one person single handedly destroy a very good football team...and what about all those clueless VY supporters? Good lord people....I know he is you and Richard Justice's hero....but good god....please...please...watch that guy play.....WORST EVER. sorry for the off topic rant.
Yes, but he could solve our RB problem.
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Patrick Allen is available as far as I know so he must not have impressed his coaches. I think Forsett made the team as a 4th stringer. Given that, I would still take Walker.
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Patrick Allen is available as far as I know so he must not have impressed his coaches. I think Forsett made the team as a 4th stringer. Given that, I would still take Walker.
Why not have both ?
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In the NFL, a team's running game is not dependent on having a great runner, but on having a commitment to it. there are countless examples of teams using the types of guys we have (veteran, UDFA, or rookie) and being able to keep the defense at least honest if not be flat out effective. No it's not a good thing to really know who is going to be the starter, but not having another good pass rusher or a playmaker in defensive backfield will keep us from being good more than spliting 35 carries between three seemingly marginal guys.
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In the NFL, a team's running game is not dependent on having a great runner, but on having a commitment to it. there are countless examples of teams using the types of guys we have (veteran, UDFA, or rookie) and being able to keep the defense at least honest if not be flat out effective. No it's not a good thing to really know who is going to be the starter, but not having another good pass rusher or a playmaker in defensive backfield will keep us from being good more than spliting 35 carries between three seemingly marginal guys.
I agree somewhat . I think getting a playmaker db or a stud pass rushing de/lb takes a 1st or 2nd rd pick . I was talking about a rb in the 7th .
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What bugs me the most is I didn't see anything in preseason from our vaunted zone blocking scheme that warranted optimism.
Every one except Pitts is young in the middle. Ok it looks like we're dressing the fall pig right now. And it's going to look rather messy for the first few games. Give the guys some reps and it will come together...I promise. They all are light on their feet and know how to combo block. Just takes a little time. They will mesh. If your expecting instant pudding....not going to happen. Takes a little more time when you make banana pudding from scratch. But the extra effort will be worth it in the long run. The system is proven and we have guys who fit the system. Just need a six pack of patience.
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They had a lot of needs and not that many picks. Heck they were fortunate to get the picks from the first round trade down and still get their guy. (not Chris Williams, whew!)

They knew that they had a need for someone on the other side of Mario but didn't find that value in this draft. A big DT run stuffer was also a need, though not as many people acknowledged that.

Multiple running back pics for this team wasn't feasible. Just too many needs. Want to give up our LT or CB?

I'm not mad about the running back situation because it isn't a big surprise that it is an issue. (except to some people in the media who won't be named).

The NFL is a league of risk taking. Some end up working out and some don't. The biggest issue is that usually there aren't that many great free agents bumping around because teams tend to keep the players they want to keep or want lots of draft picks for them. And the good free agents that are out there often want to go to a team with a winning history. So you have to take flyers a time or two on oldish players, or players with injury histories that might fit your system. For some teams, those choices end up working out, and with the Texans they haven't had the best of luck with those situations. (understatement)

Slaton is the RB they are developing this year and everybody else is just place holders until they fix so many of the problems they have.
Thank you.
People keep choosing to forget that we got 3 quality players in exchange for passing on Mendenhall. Let me ask you this: If the Steelers offered Mendenhall for Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, and D. Barber, would you do that deal?
Maybe I'd regret it, but right now, I think I'd have to pass.
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Every one except Pitts is young in the middle. Ok it looks like we're dressing the fall pig right now. And it's going to look rather messy for the first few games. Give the guys some reps and it will come together...I promise. They all are light on their feet and know how to combo block. Just takes a little time. They will mesh. If your expecting instant pudding....not going to happen. Takes a little more time when you make banana pudding from scratch. But the extra effort will be worth it in the long run. The system is proven and we have guys who fit the system. Just need a six pack of patience.
I agree thats why (when brewing) I go all-grain

but naturally people expect X amount of results after so many years, hell skip the important steps, like foundation building blocks, OL, DL go straight to skilled (dessert) positions QB, RB, WR. whats frustrating many, including myself who follow College Football is that over the past two drafts several outstanding RB's have slipped through our fingers. I think we did finally secure a good young back in Steve but once again we're left holding the bag needing to wait one more year again

I absolutely love what's been going on with the Texans 08 OL. When Pitts is in there he has transformed into a Pro-Bowl capable LG, very important in the run game. Duane Brown is way ahead of schedule. Our 6th rd. pick (trade w/Denver) has become the new starting Center & doing a much better job than what we've had the last 7 years. Winston has been playing @ at a very high level for a couple years now & there is good competition for RG with decent depth for a change.

Sure I'm pissed about our RB legacy or lack thereof, but I know its going to happen sooner than later with the current leadership making the calls
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Thank you.
People keep choosing to forget that we got 3 quality players in exchange for passing on Mendenhall. Let me ask you this: If the Steelers offered Mendenhall for Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, and D. Barber, would you do that deal?
Maybe I'd regret it, but right now, I think I'd have to pass.
I never said I wanted a pass rusher 1st round, but it would've been nice to see one instead of a QB in the seventh or a Safety in the 6th. Just saying.
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If green can stay healthy and slaton can be decent we will have a chance at winning some games
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If green can stay healthy and slaton can be decent we will have a chance at winning some games
Hopefully Green can stay healthy for all 5 yards on his next 5 yard run. Watching him break down at 3 yards and look for a place to fall down is so disheartening.
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What's funny is all I heard at one point was that Davis couldn't break a run longer than 20 yds. I also heard that some of the runs Davis did break and got caught on, Bush would have scored. As we look at it, Bush longest run is 22 yds. There are countless example of getting good productive backs in the middle of the draft and having a good running game. Hopefully Slaton can be Davis-like then these threads would not be as rampant.
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Hopefully Green can stay healthy for all 5 yards on his next 5 yard run. Watching him break down at 3 yards and look for a place to fall down is so disheartening.
Come on Vinny the guy is thirty one and he pulled the hammie on a screen pass play in a preseason game. Got knee capped in the Tampa Bay game last year....that wasn't his fault either. Father time is defiantly running the guy down....but if they are going to reach nine wins, they got to have this guy. I see no evidence the guy is tanking his game on purpose. He's just thirty one. And the primary reason no matter how talented they are, no matter the perceived value, you leave the over the thirty line Rbs alone.
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I never said I wanted a pass rusher 1st round, but it would've been nice to see one instead of a QB in the seventh or a Safety in the 6th. Just saying.
I said on draft day that the last two picks confused me.
We had enough safeties - I guess they thought Barber was going to be a special teams maniac - we'll see.
Brink confused me because we'd just signed Quinn Gray, IIRC...
again, I let it go because (a) Kubiak always keeps a project QB and (b) it was the 7th round, no big whoop.

And my post was directed at the guys who wanted us to grab Mendenhall.
FWIW, I think Mendenhall fell off our radar because of his issues with fumbling. This is just my own opinion but I believe that once Jonathan Stewart was gone, an OT was gonna be our 1st pick.
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Hopefully Green can stay healthy for all 5 yards on his next 5 yard run. Watching him break down at 3 yards and look for a place to fall down is so disheartening.
That is why I like Slaton. He keeps his legs moving. Brown is good at moving his legs as well but he can't stay in long enough.
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I agree somewhat . I think getting a playmaker db or a stud pass rushing de/lb takes a 1st or 2nd rd pick . I was talking about a rb in the 7th .
Honestly, I wasn't directly addressing you, but I don't think there is a significant difference bewteen a 7th round RB and any UDFA, but as I now think of it we did n't have one of thoseat RB from this draft class either.
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Call me an optimist but I really think Slaton and possibly even Taylor will surprise a lot of people this year.
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The 2007 RB class started out with Ahman Green and Ron Dayne, and Samkon Gado. Darius Walker was on the PS. Later, we added Adimchinobi Echemandu, and put Walker on the 53 man roster. I've just listed every RB (not including Fullbacks) who touched the ball last year.

Fast forward to 2008, and for better or worse, Green's still here. Ron Dayne has been replaced with Chris Taylor, and the Samkon/Darius/Echemandu role is essentially being filled by Steve Slaton. In my eyes, the 53 man roster consists of two upgrades, and a break-even (although if you want to argue that Green is more injury prone and/or has gotten even older since last year, I understand).

In addition to the actual RB personnel, we've upgraded the Center position, upgraded the LT position (although it may be an upgrade that takes a while to show results), and I believe we've upgraded the RG position. We've also brought in one of the most successful O-line coaches in NFL history to bring it all together and make it work.

If you want to complain that what they've done sucks, and it won't work - that's fine, but I'll wait until there's a little bit more of a track record to base that on. If you want to piss and moan that we've done nothing to address the running game, then I just feel sorry for you.

And I know that this thread was started as a piss and moan thread, so all I can do is apologize for being the punch in your turd bowl.
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