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Old 08-21-2008   #81
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I believe he was just trying to say that he is more like a Chris Taylor than a TRADITIONAL FB
Kinda! But Taylor needs to prove that he can pick up the scheme a bit better before he can fulfill this role.
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Kinda! But Taylor needs to prove that he can pick up the scheme a bit better before he can fulfill this role.
Not that they asked Cook to do a whole lot of lead blocking last year either.
So yeah. The idea that Taylor can take over that role is not that far-fetch.
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With this happening to Cook now Taylor must step up huge in the cluch and prove himself.
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We utilize Cook more as a hybrid between a tailback, a sometime-blocker, and a receiver out of the backfield. What I want to say!
Cook only had 8 carries last season (and he got 5 of those carries in the Indy game after Green went down, because outside of Dayne we were incredibly thin...he was forced to do spot RB duty) Cook only had 3 carries the year before when he was labeled the starter.

In his two year carear with Houston Cook only has 26 receptions........Vonta Leach had 25 just last season alone.

I don't get where Cook is this hybrid FB in Kubiak's offense, infact even with the Bucs he wasn't a "hybrid" fullback. Just because he isn't the blocker that Leach is, that doesn't mean he's a hybrid FB.

IMO he's just a crappy FB that's light in the britches who's fixing to find himself off this team. I'll take "the man without a neck" over him any sunday
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Cook only had 8 carries last season (and he got 5 of those carries in the Indy game after Green went down, because outside of Dayne we were incredibly thin...he was forced to do spot RB duty) Cook only had 3 carries the year before when he was labeled the starter.

In his two year carear with Houston Cook only has 26 receptions........Vonta Leach had 25 just last season alone.

I don't get where Cook is this hybrid FB in Kubiak's offense, infact even with the Bucs he wasn't a "hybrid" fullback. Just because he isn't the blocker that Leach is, that doesn't mean he's a hybrid FB.

IMO he's just a crappy FB that's light in the britches who's fixing to find himself off this team. I'll take "the man without a neck" over him any sunday
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Cook only had 8 carries last season (and he got 5 of those carries in the Indy game after Green went down, because outside of Dayne we were incredibly thin...he was forced to do spot RB duty) Cook only had 3 carries the year before when he was labeled the starter.

In his two year carear with Houston Cook only has 26 receptions........Vonta Leach had 25 just last season alone.

I don't get where Cook is this hybrid FB in Kubiak's offense, infact even with the Bucs he wasn't a "hybrid" fullback. Just because he isn't the blocker that Leach is, that doesn't mean he's a hybrid FB.

IMO he's just a crappy FB that's light in the britches who's fixing to find himself off this team. I'll take "the man without a neck" over him any sunday
Haha, TB, my bad, I mean a hybrid H-Back type, not Half-Back.

Car_Bombed, Cook only got 6 starts in 06 (3 rushing attempts, 18 catches - 21 touches)
No start in 07 (8 R/A, 8 Recpt - 16 touches)

Leach had 4 starts in 06 (Zero run, 6 Recpts - 6 touches)
12 starts in 07 (2 rushes, 25 recepts - 27 touches)

(The reason for the discrepancy in starts was sometimes we listed 3 WRs off the block, sumthing like that.)

It's a no brainer that Cook lost his starting job following the fumbles.
Leach took on the primary job, and we employ him more to the task.
Let's say, (in term of RB) Leach was the feature RB, and Cook is the change-of-pace back in 07.

And I will venture to say that Leach was in the game about 2-1 as compared to Cook in 07, but that is not really the point.

The point is we utilized Leach as a lead blocker more often than with Cook (even if we pro-rate the number of times each were in the game.)
Cook was employed as an emergency RB, a receiver out of the backfield, a decoy, running a counter/trap/fake type of play moreso than with Leach.

Another thing is, Leach keeps improving beyond his blocking skill.
It's not the point about Leach vs. Cook, I would be a fool to take that on.
If I am willing to consider Taylor as an alternative, it has to mean that I'm in no way satisfied with Cook.

But like Polo said, he was not a bad player.
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It's a shame this has happened to Cook. He probably wasn't gonna make the 53 anyway. Someone posted earlier that at least JJ wasn't arrested due to involvement with drugs, so he should be allright with the team from that standpoint. For anyone who hasn't figured this out yet, alcohol IS a drug, albeit legal. They'll cut Cook for the right reason. Lack of productive play.
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Is Cook playing in the game tonight ?
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Don't think so. He did not even go with the team.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The old definition doesn't work in the WCO.

We utilize Leach more in the traditional sense of a lead blocker.

We utilize Cook more as a hybrid between a tailback, a sometime-blocker, and a receiver out of the backfield. What I want to say!
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Two other positions important to the West Coast offense are the fullback and running back positions. The ideal size for the fullback position should be about six foot one inch and weigh about 245 pounds. The running back should be large enough to take punishment and retain stamina. The main goals for the fullback and running back position in the West Coast offense are to be able to block and catch. In this offense these positions also have to able to pick up blitzing linebackers. The most important value for these positions is to be able to catch. These positions in the West Coast offense will probably have more catches than rushing attempts.
Ummmm, that's what fullbacks do in a West Cost Offense.... Sometimes blocker and sometimes receiver.... In other words, there is no hybrid to it, thats what they do... Is there deviation due to situational plays? Sure....

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Cook has a hard time catching.
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Jon Abbate...will he be brought back in?
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Jon Abbate...will he be brought back in?
Good question, but I would think the idea would be Leach and the "Taylor Experiment", no??
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I thought that Cook was kept around last year primarily for his contributions on special teams. But that might be wrong.
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Good question, but I would think the idea would be Leach and the "Taylor Experiment", no??
Thats probably the idea, but Taylor worries me a little in terms of injury. I know he only had one so far, but it was a big one. I couldn't really tell what happened to him vs NO, just saw someone fell on his leg. I think one has to go out of C.Brown, A.Green, C.Taylor their injuury prone bodies make me sick to my stomach. I think its one thing to have a backfield of average RBs, which is fine for a season or 2, but the a backfeild full of Backspasms and Bone Bruises who might play this week or next is unsettling. I am really glad we have Leach, he is a good FB, I am impressed at his catching ability as shown last week. Time will tell what our backfield picture looks like soon enough.
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Was it some good stuff he got busted with. 2 grams? Betcha it was White Rhino or Northern Lights. Yeah, I have some knowledge of these things. I used to smoke, but gave it up 4 years ago. Just got bored with it. At the ripe old age of 53 I just don't feel the need for it anymore.
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Ummmm, that's what fullbacks do in a West Cost Offense.... Sometimes blocker and sometimes receiver.... In other words, there is no hybrid to it, thats what they do... Is there deviation due to situational plays? Sure....

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Legalize drugs for the love of God please. It is ridiculous that marijuana and cocaine are illegal while you have millions popping prescription drugs all over the place. You can do coke and weed and still be a highly functioning member of society. This screams Driving While Black.
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I couldn't really tell what happened to him vs NO, just saw someone fell on his leg.
They said he just had a muscle cramp and apparently he has a history of that.
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It's a no brainer that Cook lost his starting job following the fumbles.
Cook was injured. Leach ran away with it after that.

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Cook is actually thought of as a receiving FB. That's why they let excellent lead blocking FB Moran Norris go and brought him in.
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