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Old 08-19-2008   #1
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How much time the Sanints had to run a play.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a0f1d0
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I fixed it. Sorry.
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Starting at the 1:42 mark of that vidoe, the Texans rushed 5 guys on 2 straight plays in the video. Nobody got close to Brees either time.
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Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.

I'm hoping that's just because Brees and that o-line are so good but I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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On the play in question, it seems to me that one of the blitzing LBs had the best opportunity to get to the QB, as direct result of how all the OLinemen stuck with the 3 DLinemen, and he just blew it. We can't blame the front 4 when one of them drops back and a blitzing LB just doesn't get the job done.

Slaton looks tougher in that video than people are makng him sound. I'm glad to see that.
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Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.

I'm hoping that's just because Brees and that o-line are so good but I'm pretty sure it isn't.
They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL
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We out of all people should know that a smart, quick thinking QB can eliminate most of the sacks.
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Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.
This has been a problem since Richard Smith took over as DC. Our schemes seem to just suck...... they don't fool anybody and we can't just blame the lack of QB pressure on lack of talent. The schemes should make something happen.

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Still on every play not to get to the QB even one time?
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They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL
If I'm not mistaken, the Saints set a record last year for fewest sacks allowed per pass attempt. You can't do that unless you have both outstanding pass-blockers and a QB who knows what to do with the ball.

Still, that's not to say that I'm happy with the pass rush at this point.
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You guys have to remember a few things.
1. The Saints have very good pass proection. Brees is a good QB who can make fast decisions and get the ball out in a hurry.
2. Our D-line MAYBE got a whole quarter of work against them (The first stringers anyway). That's not a lot of time to figure out your opponents weakness.
3. Our LB corp, when it comes to blitzing, either flat-out blows (Greenwood) or is an unknown (Diles). Ryans is great at blitzing, but he's too important to thje game playing behind the D-line to spend too much time in front of it.
4. Richard Smith couldn't coach his way out of a piss soaked paperbag.
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You guys have to remember a few things.
1. The Saints have very good pass proection. Brees is a good QB who can make fast decisions and get the ball out in a hurry.
2. Our D-line MAYBE got a whole quarter of work against them (The first stringers anyway). That's not a lot of time to figure out your opponents weakness.
3. Our LB corp, when it comes to blitzing, either flat-out blows (Greenwood) or is an unknown (Diles). Ryans is great at blitzing, but he's too important to thje game playing behind the D-line to spend too much time in front of it.
4. Richard Smith couldn't coach his way out of a piss soaked paperbag.
1. True
2. The starting DL was in there well into the 2nd quarter
3. Greenwood, as the WLB, rarely blitzes
4. Its the preseason
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They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL
Add in the fact that Brees moves around and is more mobile than given credit for.
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I might be jumping the gun too soon here.
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I might be jumping the gun too soon here.
I don't think you are, Gary. It seems every preseason the pass rush is a main concern, but it always shrugged off as "only preseason". But, we see the same vanilla panzy ass defense take the field opening weekend.

I've yet to see anything overly impressive from SmithDC's defense the previous two years and honestly, I don't expect a noticable improvement this season.

BUT, it's only preseason.
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I don't think you are, Gary. It seems every preseason the pass rush is a main concern, but it always shrugged off as "only preseason". But, we see the same vanilla panzy ass defense take the field opening weekend.

I've yet to see anything overly impressive from SmithDC's defense the previous two years and honestly, I don't expect a noticable improvement this season.

BUT, it's only preseason.
Yeah, it's only preseason. But it's never too soon to start the "Fire Richard Smith, Hire Jerry Gray" campaign.
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It does worry me some though.
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Yeah, it's only preseason. But it's never too soon to start the "Fire Richard Smith, Hire Jerry Gray" campaign.
Marvin Lewis might be availalbe quicker than we think.
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Has anyone taken into consideration that we were getting to the QB quite a bit in practices against N.O.? I'm just saying with all that happening, I'm sure N.O. did what they could to keep Brees on his feet, as well as the OL knowing what everyone was going to do.

That being said we still have to get pressure from our front four if we want to be a good team.
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