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Old 08-19-2008   #21
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Why Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green of course!!!
News flash: They're planning on splitting time between Weaver and Cochran cause Weaver aint getting it done.
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Why Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green of course!!!

Not exactly who I had in mind, but it'll work.


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I keep reading reports on how Kubes & Co. are not sure if Jacoby Jones will even keep his job with the team, yet are hopeful that Ahman Green will be ready to carry the load once the season starts. WTF?!?
Can you please cite sources where you keep hearing this information. Please note: John McFatty McClain speculating on his blog is not a reliable source of information, if that's one of your sources.

There's really no point to having a conversation around this unless there's a confirmable, reliable and believeable source that has been saying that Jones might get dropped.
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I'm having the same flashbacks as the 2006 offseason:

"Sure, Domanick will be healthy and ready to go for the season opener."
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I'm having the same flashbacks as the 2006 offseason:

"Sure, Domanick will be healthy and ready to go for the season opener."
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Can you please cite sources where you keep hearing this information. Please note: John McFatty McClain speculating on his blog is not a reliable source of information, if that's one of your sources.

There's really no point to having a conversation around this unless there's a confirmable, reliable and believeable source that has been saying that Jones might get dropped.
Speculation is simply what it is!

Kubiak (on the punt return situation) “Well, I’m going to give Jacoby (Jones) a chance to work out of this but at the same time our football team has to know what direction we are going. If somebody is back there putting the ball on the ground, so David (Anderson) is going to get a lot of work this week, and Andre (Davis). Between the three of those, they will handle those duties. But I’m giving Jacoby every chance I possibly can for him to work out of this and clean these mistakes up.”
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It seems surprising the push to cut bait on Jacoby Jones. Factor in all the other opportunities some other other players have gotten from the Texans, it seems a little strange. Jones is a 2nd year player that was hurt most of rookie year. Give him time to develop has long he has the work ethic, is healthy, and isn't a problem in the locker room.

As for Green, the Texans have too much invested to cut bait. Expect him to be the starter despite his injuries because he they need to find out quickly if he can carry the load similar to his 2006 year with GB.
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Can you please cite sources where you keep hearing this information. Please note: John McFatty McClain speculating on his blog is not a reliable source of information, if that's one of your sources.

There's really no point to having a conversation around this unless there's a confirmable, reliable and believeable source that has been saying that Jones might get dropped.
Citing sources?!? Didn't realize I was posting a freaking research paper, but:

UPDATE: Tuesday, August 19) - The Houston Chronicle is now reporting that WR Jacoby Jones could be in danger of losing his job to Harry Williams. Despite all the talk, it appears to be true that the coaching staff's patience is running thin on the high-speed 3rd round pick in 2007. Jones is already out at being considered for the Texans 3rd wide-out option. The WR position is stacked in Houston's favor with depth and that only hurt's Jones's chances as he tries to fix his fumbling issues. Stay tuned...

(UPDATE: Tuesday: August, 19) - According to the Texans and coach Kubiak, The Texans reportedly are "hoping against hope" that injured RB Ahman Green has some football left in him, and that they haven't given up on him. Green is already signed for a hefty price. Even though Green has had some flashes of being good in practice, a player that can never get on the field doesn't do a team any good, except be a burden on payroll. The only question outside NFL analysts have asked this morning is why would the team already give up on WR Jacoby Jones (who can at least still get on the field) and still continue to hold on to veteran RB's that can never get or stay on the field? Some NFL analysts are looking for answers to that conundrum this morning.

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I keep reading reports on how Kubes & Co. are not sure if Jacoby Jones will even keep his job with the team, yet are hopeful that Ahman Green will be ready to carry the load once the season starts. WTF?!?

Jacoby has made some mistakes this preseason, for sure. But at least he has been on the field to make these mistakes we're seeing. If the Texans decide to cut Jacoby and keep Ahman Green, I for one am going to be royally pissed!
The difference between Ahman and Jacoby is one player plays at a position that is extremely thin and the other plays at a position loaded with talent.

If Ahman was a WR and Jacoby was a RB, Ahman would've already been cut by now and there wouldn't really be any doubt that Jacoby would make the team.

Realistically I'm just hoping we can get altleast half a healthy season out of Ahman and then somebody else steps up and handles the other half.
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Citing sources?!? Didn't realize I was posting a freaking research paper, but:

UPDATE: Tuesday, August 19) - The Houston Chronicle is now reporting that WR Jacoby Jones could be in danger of losing his job to Harry Williams. Despite all the talk, it appears to be true that the coaching staff's patience is running thin on the high-speed 3rd round pick in 2007. Jones is already out at being considered for the Texans 3rd wide-out option. The WR position is stacked in Houston's favor with depth and that only hurt's Jones's chances as he tries to fix his fumbling issues. Stay tuned...

(UPDATE: Tuesday: August, 19) - According to the Texans and coach Kubiak, The Texans reportedly are "hoping against hope" that injured RB Ahman Green has some football left in him, and that they haven't given up on him. Green is already signed for a hefty price. Even though Green has had some flashes of being good in practice, a player that can never get on the field doesn't do a team any good, except be a burden on payroll. The only question outside NFL analysts have asked this morning is why would the team already give up on WR Jacoby Jones (who can at least still get on the field) and still continue to hold on to veteran RB's that can never get or stay on the field? Some NFL analysts are looking for answers to that conundrum this morning.
Sorry, but those are mere speculations!
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If we cut JJ someone will pick him and and he'll come back to haunt us.
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totally agree, jacoby should get a spot on the roster no matter what. He has great upside and just needs to mature some more. Still very young and we knew he was raw when we drafted him. It would not make sense to cut him at this point, and i doubt that will happen.

This most likely will be Ahman's last year in the NFL. He has lost a step or two, and he cant stay healthy for any extended period of time. We have decent depth with Brown, Slaton, Taylor, Walker and can always pick up Bell or Dayne if it comes to that. If there is only one spot it should go to Jones rather than Green.
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Citing sources?!? Didn't realize I was posting a freaking research paper, but:

UPDATE: Tuesday, August 19) - The Houston Chronicle is now reporting that WR Jacoby Jones could be in danger of losing his job to Harry Williams. Despite all the talk, it appears to be true that the coaching staff's patience is running thin on the high-speed 3rd round pick in 2007. Jones is already out at being considered for the Texans 3rd wide-out option. The WR position is stacked in Houston's favor with depth and that only hurt's Jones's chances as he tries to fix his fumbling issues. Stay tuned...

(UPDATE: Tuesday: August, 19) - According to the Texans and coach Kubiak, The Texans reportedly are "hoping against hope" that injured RB Ahman Green has some football left in him, and that they haven't given up on him. Green is already signed for a hefty price. Even though Green has had some flashes of being good in practice, a player that can never get on the field doesn't do a team any good, except be a burden on payroll. The only question outside NFL analysts have asked this morning is why would the team already give up on WR Jacoby Jones (who can at least still get on the field) and still continue to hold on to veteran RB's that can never get or stay on the field? Some NFL analysts are looking for answers to that conundrum this morning.
You are citing Thomas Hilton. Fan Blogger Thomas Hilton.

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This dude don't know poop from applesauce. He has no sources just speculation. You would have been better of quoting Justice or McClain.
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The only question outside NFL analysts have asked this morning is why would the team already give up on WR Jacoby Jones (who can at least still get on the field) and still continue to hold on to veteran RB's that can never get or stay on the field? Some NFL analysts are looking for answers to that conundrum this morning.[/color]
First of all, let me say that I would be completely shocked if Jones was cut. Has he had a few issues this preseason? Of course, but nothing that would constitute cutting a 2nd yr. player from a small school who is still learning how to play the game. There are no excuses...he has to get better, but there is also a growth period for him. Be patient. He will get there...and someone else while step into the PR role until he can prove he can hang onto the ball.

At the same time, in reference to the quote above, I wonder who these "NFL analysts" are. It's not too hard to see why Jones would supposedly be in danger of being cut and the coaching staff is still holding out hope that Green can make a contribution.

Umm....hello? Look at the depth at each position. We're loaded at WR so we could afford to cut a young "project" player (I don't think we will, but we COULD). We are bare-thin at RB w/ not many other options available so we really NEED for Green to make a contribution therefore the staff is willing to hold out for the possibility that he can work throught the injuries (I don't think it will happen, but that is the reason IMO).
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If Matt Jones still has a position on the Jaguars, I'm sure we can spare a little patience for Jacoby Jones.
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Sorry, but those are mere speculations!
Good gracious

Okay then, let's talk speculation. Well, this much is fact:

1)AJ-Lock
2)Walter-Lock
3)Andre Davis and The Mullett-Locks
4)Ahman is not getting cut

So that leaves one more WR position open. Will it be Jacoby, or will it be Harry Williams? Or will it be both? If so, and the team keeps 6 WR, who goes? An o-lineman like Frye or White? A d-lineman like Maddox, Okam, Zgonina, or Weaver? What do all of my fellow speculators think?
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If Matt Jones still has a position on the Jaguars, I'm sure we can spare a little patience for Jacoby Jones.
Look at what's playing ahead of Matt Jones

now......

Look at what's playing ahead of Jacoby Jones.
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Good gracious

Okay then, let's talk speculation. Well, this much is fact:

1)AJ-Lock
2)Walter-Lock
3)Andre Davis and The Mullett-Locks
4)Ahman is not getting cut

So that leaves one more WR position open. Will it be Jacoby, or will it be Harry Williams? Or will it be both? If so, and the team keeps 6 WR, who goes? An o-lineman like Frye or White? A d-lineman like Maddox, Okam, Zgonina, or Weaver? What do all of my fellow speculators think?
I wish it would be Weaver......I can't stand to even watch him play. We field 1 DE and 3 DTs, Amobi would be a better DE than him.
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This dude don't know poop from applesauce. He has no sources just speculation. You would have been better of quoting Justice or McClain.
Okay, how about from the horse's mouth then:

(on the game) “Looking at the special teams, there is some disappointment there. We are looking for more guys to step up. I think Harry Williams has been the ultimate bright spot on special teams. He’s been consistent; he’s making a big push for us to find a roster spot for him on this team, just by how well he’s playing on special teams. I think Nick Ferguson did some good things. Kris (Brown) continues to kick the ball well. Matt (Turk) kicked the ball well. We have to get, overall, just get better. Some of our young guys have got to come on. You look at guys like (Dominque) Barber and (Brandon) Harrison, players like that, Chris Taylor; they have to play well on special teams. I think we have a lot of room for improvement.

on the possibility of carrying six receivers rather than five because of how well Harry Williams is playing) “I think, as a coach, you go into it saying five. The way he’s playing right now we have to look real hard at keeping six, because he’s the best guy we’ve got on the field right now when we are in special teams mode. That’s a third of the game and the way he’s playing. He’s going to make us keep six, or if we keep five then somebody is in trouble.”

These quotes are from Kubiak's Monday Press Conference.

Plus, I haven't stated anywhere that Jacoby would be cut. I've been reading reports from every source I can find on my favorite team. It just bugs me that Jacoby is trying hard ,even though he is making mistakes, to make plays for this team and faces even the possibility of getting cut when a player like Ahman Green is safe.
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It doesn't matter who you are in this league, putting the ball on the ground is seriously frowned on. if jacoby was dropping passes, missing routes, or not blocking hard enough in the run game we would hardly hear a word about it. you cough up the rock though you have a bullseye on you.

The good news is many players have had bouts of fumbling problems and worked thru it and had good careers. It's not incurable, just very costly and attracts alot of attention. I wish JJ the best of luck, I think he will get through it. He just needs to make SOME positive progress in preseason and practice and he will beat out harry williams no problem.

What's really scary is the Texans now have a level of talent that makes the PS a very dangerous thing. I remember the Chiefs about 5 or 6 years ago had the same problem, they had a promissing young guard named ryan lilja they got in the draft but were fat on offensive lineman and had to PS him. He got yanked off the waiver wire faster than you can say "man did we screw that up", then turned out to be better than even KC thought. I think that's our biggest problem with JJ and guys like Barber and a few others, they will never last through waivers.
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