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Old 08-19-2008   #61
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I'll wait to call judgement until after the Girls game. If Schaub does separate himself, I still believe that Sage can pick up where Schaub leaves off if he gets injured later in the season. One thing not to forget (no seems to forget this in the hot RB competition discussions), when trying to judge the better of 2 players, you need to also factor in their ability to stay on the field. That ability can offset some minor deficiencies amongst players.
Did you just say what I think you said? If Schaub DOES seperate himself, would that not mean that Sage CANNOT pick up where Schaub leaves off if he gets injured later in the season? Forgive my inquisitivness but how is that possible?

Also forgive the fact that we're doing 24hr coverage at work and I'm working a 12 hour shift that is almost exactly opposite of what I normally work on my 8 hour shift. I said almost.

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I STILL support Rosenfels. Schaub had a great game, but lets me honest here. He's NOT a bad QB by any stretch of the imagination. I just think that Sage is the superior QB because:

1. Sage can take a hit better than Schaub.

2. Sage seems a bit quicker from the pocket.

3. Both men were CAREER backups until they made it to Houston. Rosenfels backed up Carr, Schaub backed up Vick but face it they were BOTH career back ups.

Personally I think the starting position is still in the air. One great performance does NOT a starter make especially if that one game is a PRESEASON game.

I hate to argue (ok that's a lie), but umm....

1. I don't know that sage has been blind sided like Schaub was against SD. I dont' know that there are that many people that get up and walk away from that. That hit by Worthless we can argue about that all day, but that was ferocious.

2. What does that have to do with who's a better QB? Schaub has a better arm and is more precise. Accuracy and precision are two different things. Schaub puts his receivers in a better position to run after the catch. I keep saying this (and those that know me from the old board know how many times I've watched every game they've played in over and over), and its true. Schaub isn't GREAT at it. Sage is BELOW AVERAGE at it. The numbers beared it out when I looked at it.

3. Even with Vick (who I can't stand, but at least he was a very talented player) ATL was looking for ways to get Schaub on the field. Sage has also been a backup to should have been backups like Fiedler. He has been behind the following quality NFL QBs in his career: Ray Lucas, Jay Fiedler, Brian Greise, AJ Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Tony Banks, Jeff George and Kent Grahm. That's not to say that automatically disqualifies him from being a starter but your premise that they were both career backups is WAY oversimplifying. Vick COULD actually start for all but a handful of teams in this league. His athletic ability was so enticing that there was no way (ok well one way apparently) that he was not going to be the starter.

4. Kubes didn't think Sage could start. If he did, we don't make the deal for Sage. I have yet to see anything remotely consistant about Sage, with or without AJ on the field. I think he is the consumate Commander Cody. He is great at getting guys hyped up, and can come in and play well for a few games at a time, but long term, his tendancy to throw across his body, when he doesn't have a great arm to begin with, as well as his tendancy to throw off balance, results in passes that are off target, catchable (or interceptable) but off target. I did a comparison of the two and their YPC after the catch average a while back, and even with AJ playing with Sage more than Schaub Schaubs was a decent ammount higher. I'll look it up and see if I can find the spreadsheet and post it. Now do you think that's because we call more curls just because Sage is in the game? If it is, is that because we think he needs a wider target? I don't know the answer to the questions, but Schaub made AD look like AJ lite. Sage not so much.

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True dat......

I won't be able to watch the game, till I get home tonight. So I still haven't seen Matt do anything that would make him "special".


I never said Sage was better than Matt...... only that they were both good enough to get the job done. I hope Matt does separate himself in 2008.
I finally watched the game yesterday, and I didn't see Matt do anything that would solidify his position as starter, to me.

Now when Sage came out, he disappointed.

I could understand everyone saying Sage took a step backwards, so it makes Matt look that much better, but saying Matt did sooooo good, when he pretty much played the way he has played... I'm not getting it.

Matt did look good in the pocket... I'd have to say that was an improvement that I noticed. Not that he was bad last year, but I think there was improvement there.

He didn't throw anything behind the receiver, which I think he's prone to do. I won't say it's fixed, until I see him not do it on a regular basis.

He had trouble leading his receiver on a couple of throws.

And there were a few throws, where his timing with his receivers were right on. As soon as they turned around, the ball was right there.

He's getting better.. no doubt, but I don't think he's bona fide just yet.
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4. Kubes didn't think Sage could start. If he did, we don't make the deal for Sage.
I think that's a typo.
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I ate my Crow due to me throwing Matt under the Bus. Matt proved to me that he does not throw high and behind the reciever, yet he throws to the side of the reciever that is the best side of the reciever.
Thus Matt is the Starter and yes he deserves to be where coach Kubes put him.

Sage could take the wheel house of any team in the NFL and lead said team to some victories. The better teams he might get more victories. You nut balls can Analyze all you want but all I am doing is chomping the crow I told you I would do if I came to realize I was wrong about Matt and Sage.

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Did you just say what I think you said? If Schaub DOES seperate himself, would that not mean that Sage CANNOT pick up where Schaub leaves off if he gets injured later in the season? Forgive my inquisitivness but how is that possible?


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Very simple...............Schaub will be given the sole opportunity to go 3 periods against the girls (Sage won't). So we'll be essentially judging Schaub against himself...........if he burns it up, he will be considered by most as separating himself from Sage. If he flames out, he will not be seen as separating himself from Sage. This is all basically independent of Sage..........and speaks for that one game. My personal opinion is that thus far, there isn't enough out there to have made final valid conclusions............and that time may not come until well into the season.
And, BTW, if Schaub does go down, we better hope that we're lucky enough to have someone like Sage pick up where Schaub left off.
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I finally watched the game yesterday, and I didn't see Matt do anything that would solidify his position as starter, to me.

Now when Sage came out, he disappointed.

I could understand everyone saying Sage took a step backwards, so it makes Matt look that much better, but saying Matt did sooooo good, when he pretty much played the way he has played... I'm not getting it.

Matt did look good in the pocket... I'd have to say that was an improvement that I noticed. Not that he was bad last year, but I think there was improvement there.

He didn't throw anything behind the receiver, which I think he's prone to do. I won't say it's fixed, until I see him not do it on a regular basis.

He had trouble leading his receiver on a couple of throws.

And there were a few throws, where his timing with his receivers were right on. As soon as they turned around, the ball was right there.

He's getting better.. no doubt, but I don't think he's bona fide just yet.

Did you watch the same game I did? Apparently not. You do realize that the Texans are leading the NFL in passer rating thru two games right? You do realize that every drive Schaub has engineered thus far has resulted in points? You do realize that Schaub has the highest completion percentage of any QB playing thus far right?

Nah, he just looks good because Sage has been awful.

Dude, if you keep bringing "insight" like that, I'll have to pass.
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Did you watch the same game I did? Apparently not. You do realize that the Texans are leading the NFL in passer rating thru two games right? You do realize that every drive Schaub has engineered thus far has resulted in points? You do realize that Schaub has the highest completion percentage of any QB playing thus far right?

Nah, he just looks good because Sage has been awful.

Dude, if you keep bringing "insight" like that, I'll have to pass.
First of all, the overall numbers cited thus far, as most statisticians would tell you, are not great enough to make valid conclusions. Secondly, I would invite anyone to review this list of NFL QB performances in the 2008 preseason, and see if the numbers match the claims..............dang, it must be time for the Pats to trade Brady.
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First of all, the overall numbers cited thus far, as most statisticians would tell you, are not great enough to make valid conclusions. Secondly, I would invite anyone to review this list of NFL QB performances in the 2008 preseason, and see if the numbers match the claims..............dang, it must be time for the Pats to trade Brady.
No fair thinking rationally in preseason. We're 2-0 and we're goin' to the Superbowl.
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First of all, the overall numbers cited thus far, as most statisticians would tell you, are not great enough to make valid conclusions. Secondly, I would invite anyone to review this list of NFL QB performances in the 2008 preseason, and see if the numbers match the claims..............dang, it must be time for the Pats to trade Brady.
I don't think that's a valid argument. We are talking specifically about his performance in the preseason, not how that might translate to the regular season. I honestly don't see how it can be argued that Schaub has been anything less than steller...brilliant even.
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so, he has been no good? What exactly is your argument?
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so, he has been no good? What exactly is your argument?
I have no argument with you........just saying my rose colored glasses are broken for the time being.
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I don't think that's a valid argument. We are talking specifically about his performance in the preseason, not how that might translate to the regular season. I honestly don't see how it can be argued that Schaub has been anything less than steller...brilliant even.
And my point, is you saw all that in the regular season last year. He didn't do, or show us anything remarkably different. Both he & Sage had relatively high QB ratings, and completion percentages.

Heck, David Carr had good numbers the year we kicked him to the curb.

Now, I did note some areas where Matt has shown improvement, but it's not like he's on a whole different level from the way he played last year, or from Sage's play. For all points & purposes, they're the same guy.

Although I understand why some people put Sage a step up, and that's because we've seen him turn nothing(a busted play) into something, several times, where we haven't really seen that from Matt.
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You do realize that the Texans are leading the NFL in passer rating thru two games right?


Dude, if you keep bringing "insight" like that, I'll have to pass.
Now, I'm scared to look, but would you happen to know who has taken the most snaps through those two games??
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Now, I'm scared to look, but would you happen to know who has taken the most snaps through those two games??
Probably Sage. Not really getting your point here. Both QB's are far superior to Carr.

Yes, Carr had a good completion percentage that last year. Hell, my Grandma would have completed 75% of those quick outs, screen passes, and dump offs to the RB's.

OTOH, Schaub and Sage had one of the longest YPA rate in the NFL last year, and still maintaned a high completion percentage.

Frankly, if you think there is some correalition between the Sage/Schaub regime, and the Carr regime then I might suggest some strong meds.
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I thought Vince Young would be the greatest thing next to cold beer and sliced bread.....




I wonder when Bleeding Arrow will show up to eat his crow, LOL!
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I wonder when Bleeding Arrow will show up to eat his crow, LOL!
He's too busy in that 'other' thread....
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