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Old 09-07-2008   #41
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You means from his rookie wall to the first game in his sophomore's season? Ok, let's forget what he did the first half of his rookie season, let's forget he was the youngest player to ever be drafted, let's forget that DT is one of the hardest position for a college player to translate his game over in the pros.

Amobi is teh bust.
Never said he's a bust. Just saying that he's playing suck-ass football right now. What makes him immune from the same verbal beatdown that every other player that had a hand in that garbage effort? He needs to play A LOT better.
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I think some of the problems you're seeing with Amobi have just as much to do with Travis Johnson. I think Amobi needs a true NT to compliment him, TJ is undersized, and when he goes against power Lineman he gets gobbled up. He doesn't take up alot of blockers and this allows a lineman free to head up field to block the LB's. I look for Okam to get more playing time with the first team as the season progresses,and at some point become a starter for us.
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I think some of the problems you're seeing with Amobi have just as much to do with Travis Johnson. I think Amobi needs a true NT to compliment him, TJ is undersized, and when he goes against power Lineman he gets gobbled up. He doesn't take up alot of blockers and this allows a lineman free to head up field to block the LB's. I look for Okam to get more playing time with the first team as the season progresses,and at some point become a starter for us.
Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
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Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
Hes like the Mario equivalent at DT, if the Titans somehow let him go that would be a huge victory but I really don't see how they can let him get away. (I know they can't franchise him etc. but seriously how can you let that guy get away?)
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Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
Even though I dislike him. That would be the best D-line in the NFL, easy.
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Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
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I caught a lot of flack from some of you guys about my assessment of Amobi in the preseason. But..I mean, I told you so. Hate to say it because we need him to be productive. Same thing I saw in the preseason with him is the same thing going on against the Steelers. Anybody care for some crow etoufee?
It is not like the Texans ran one single stunt. Push up middle hope you get there your on your own type of D is not going to produce anything unless you are the one gifted super freak who can like Mario.

Yes he has room to grow but the D calling helped no one on the line. If it had Mario would have had 5 sacks today.
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It is not like the Texans ran one single stunt. Push up middle hope you get there your on your own type of D is not going to produce anything unless you are the one gifted super freak who can like Mario.

Yes he has room to grow but the D calling helped no one on the line. If it had Mario would have had 5 sacks today.
They ran the loop stunt with him and Mario more than a few times today. It was just ineffective because Amobi was getten driven too far outside. Man, is Amobi Okoye some sort of "Untouchable" because he is young? Some of you really take up for this guy. Last time I checked, he's a 1st rounder making a hell of a lot of money! He can get it from us fans (who at least expect him to show up on the stat sheet) just like every other player can. He doesn't have diplomatic immunity just because he's Nigerian dammit!
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It is not like the Texans ran one single stunt. Push up middle hope you get there your on your own type of D is not going to produce anything unless you are the one gifted super freak who can like Mario.

Yes he has room to grow but the D calling helped no one on the line. If it had Mario would have had 5 sacks today.
You're right... Okoye does get pressure off of stunts. However, you can't run stunts all the time. Okoye main problem is he gets pushed around a lot in the run game. Sure it's understandable, but until he improves or he's rotated out on run downs his poor play will be exposed.

That being said, we've gotta fire Richard Smith! This isn't reactionary to getting our ass kicked. Offensively, we were simply manhandled up front... I get that. I don't see that particularly as a coaching problem. However, defensively, the opposing offense always seems to know exactly what we're doing. I don't think Tennessee has more good defensive players than we do. However, they sure get a heck of a lot more out of them: Haynesworth, Vandenbosch, Finnegan???, Bullock 2 years ago.... not that much.
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Myabe I need to rewatch the game (and I will) but what I saw was a stunt blocking after the first quarter. KT pointed out to me on one play where they just let Mario and others bring pressure so it would open up holes and running lanes. Thanks Richard for having the drop back in to pass coverage scheme working to a charm. After this being pointed out I saw it a few more times. If there was a stunt on (disguised) or a actual blitz it would have prevented big gains.
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I don't think Tennessee has more good defensive players than we do. However, they sure get a heck of a lot more out of them: Haynesworth, Vandenbosch, Finnegan???, Bullock 2 years ago.... not that much.
That's not really correct....Tennessee has just as many "star D players" as we do, but their other D players are very solid smart players.

With the texans it's all peaks and valleys.....either very good D players (Drob, DeMeco, Williams) or absolute crap (too many to mention).

Finnegan is a very good physical corner (Drob like)..Harper as a #2 is a hell of a lot better than Reeves. Griffin and Hope are better than anything we have ever had at the safety spots and David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him.........not to mention that unlike the Texans, Tenn actually has two beasts playing on their Dline (Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth).....with legit proven players, playing in position not out of position (unlike Weaver the crappy undersized DT) on the other side in Kearse.

I wouldn't be so quick to compare our defense to a top 5 defense (last year) despite the fact that they had a QB that put their defense in bad spots all year long (look what happens to our defense when put in bad spots).
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David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him
Not so fast my friend. Let's give Zac Diles a chance. He was stealthy but productive today. Morlon "Rass-cload" Greenwood is another story altogether. He stunk (again) today. Come on and get healthy Adibi.
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I don't think Okoye did bad at all against the pass in the this game. He got some pressure, but Rothlisburger was releasing the ball awefully quick to be expecting DTs to get to him.

In the run game, he basically sucked, just like most of the D. Williams, Diles?, and maybe Bennet kept us from giving up 300 yds. rushing. I forgot Ryans, but even he had a slightly sub-par game for him (IMO), probably because Okoye can't handle being run right at AND WHAT EXACTLY IS TJ GOOD FOR, ANWAY?
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That's not really correct....Tennessee has just as many "star D players" as we do, but their other D players are very solid smart players.

With the texans it's all peaks and valleys.....either very good D players (Drob, DeMeco, Williams) or absolute crap (too many to mention).

Finnegan is a very good physical corner (Drob like)..Harper as a #2 is a hell of a lot better than Reeves. Griffin and Hope are better than anything we have ever had at the safety spots and David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him.........not to mention that unlike the Texans, Tenn actually has two beasts playing on their Dline (Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth).....with legit proven players, playing in position not out of position (unlike Weaver the crappy undersized DT) on the other side in Kearse.

I wouldn't be so quick to compare our defense to a top 5 defense (last year) despite the fact that they had a QB that put their defense in bad spots all year long (look what happens to our defense when put in bad spots).
We have athletes at least as impressive as those mentioned. Of course guys like Finnegan, Thornton, Harper look and play much better than Bennett, Greenwood, C.C. Brown... My argument is that it's not primarily a talent issue. Our defensive staff isn't doing the job.
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Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
I doubt that the Texans can afford to add Haynesworth with the Salary Cap, but it sure would be a nice addition.

That, and a real DE opposite from Mario would make the line a terror for the opposing team.
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I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
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I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
Did you see his potential as a pulling guard when he was leading the way for Demeco ?
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I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
In all honesty AO was not brought in here to be a run stopper. He was brought in to apply pressure and help Mario. Now we need a NT to help AO cus Travis isn't helping anything but his bank account. I am hoping Okam can be brought up to speed to be that guy but he looked bad in preseason.

We just can't have two DT's who can't play the run.

Oh, and get rid of Weaver too.
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I was personally the most unimpressed with our LBs corp. A ton of arm tackling, which led to a lot of scoot around the edge maneuvers
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