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Old 08-19-2008   #21
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I think it was totally different with Mario. You could see everything they talked about with Mario, in the preseason, and his whole rookie year. You could see his strength, you could see his burst, you could see his speed, you could see his effort, you could see his lack of technique.

IT was all there, and it was evident.

I don't think the game was ever too fast for Mario, a little over his head maybe.

Not hyping Okoye, or knocking him, just saying it's not the same.
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As soon as Mario came here you could tell he was a unique athlete that only a handful of guys could be mentioned in the same breath with as far as physical measurables. Throw in the work ethic, toughness, and the fact that he's coachable and you knew it wasn't a question of if it was a question of when he would flip the switch and become the player we'd hope he'd become.

Amobi on the other hand is a very good talent but he isn't on the same level as Mario as a rare breed of athlete. Plus he's young and he's a bit behind other players in the strength department which causes him to get pushed around at the line and is evident in run support. He SHOULD be caught up physically with another NFL offseason strength program or two under his belt but its not the same type of guarantee that we had with Mario.

That could also be why one guy was the 1st pick and one was the 10th pick. I'm a huge Amobi fan and hope he does well but him and Mario are two different caliber athletes. Some people think he'll make the same jump as Mario but that's just wishful thinking imo. I think he'll make strides this season but I dont think he'll be mentioned as one of the elite players at his position when the season ends. Just my opinion and I hope i'm wrong about that.
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I joined the 21st century last week and got a DVR. I have the game recorded so I can watch again and pay closer attention to individual players, but from what I saw when I watched the D line was a solid effort by the Saints offensive line. Mario was the only one getting any penetration. I think Amobi was just getting stoned by a strong interior.

With that line and the weapons Brees has around him, the Saints offense could be exceptional this season.
Agreed. I don't think people realize how good that Saints O-line actually is. That said, we play in a division with great lines, so there can be no excuses.
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I think Okoye has some room to grow but I think some of you guys are being way too harsh on Okoye. DT's don't have glamorous jobs and their technique dictates whether they penetrate or hold up blockers or whatever...so it's hard to "grade" interior tackles by casually watching a few snaps in the preseason. Even the greatest interior tackles have a stalemate most of the time when the ball is snapped...one reason why 8 sacks in 16 games and hundreds of snaps is considered a great year for interior defensive tackles. That said, he has a long way to go still from what I can see but I'm not expecting Warren Sapp this year either. Okoye is still better in pursuit than he is when run straight at and it will probably take 2-3 years (from when he was drafted) before he is a credible run stopper.
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I think Okoye has some room to grow but I think some of you guys are being way too harsh on Okoye. DT's don't have glamorous jobs and their technique dictates whether they penetrate or hold up blockers or whatever...so it's hard to "grade" interior tackles by casually watching a few snaps in the preseason. Even the greatest interior tackles have a stalemate most of the time when the ball is snapped...one reason why 8 sacks in 16 games and hundreds of snaps is considered a great year for interior defensive tackles. That said, he has a long way to go still from what I can see but I'm not expecting Warren Sapp this year either. Okoye is still better in pursuit than he is when run straight at and it will probably take 2-3 years (from when he was drafted) before he is a credible run stopper.
agreed.....

To further the point about DT's.... Amobi was ranked by NFL.com as the 50th player for sacks (granted the list only went to 50) with 5.5 sacks. Anyway, there were only 7 DT's that had more than Okoye. The majority of those guys (DT's) were in the lower half of the 50...

Now, factor in:
a) him being a rookie last year
b) a young rookie at that
c) hitting the proverbial rookie wall, before getting his second breath

and I think you can conclude that he will be just fine.....

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I think Okoye has some room to grow but I think some of you guys are being way too harsh on Okoye. DT's don't have glamorous jobs and their technique dictates whether they penetrate or hold up blockers or whatever...so it's hard to "grade" interior tackles by casually watching a few snaps in the preseason. Even the greatest interior tackles have a stalemate most of the time when the ball is snapped...one reason why 8 sacks in 16 games and hundreds of snaps is considered a great year for interior defensive tackles. That said, he has a long way to go still from what I can see but I'm not expecting Warren Sapp this year either. Okoye is still better in pursuit than he is when run straight at and it will probably take 2-3 years (from when he was drafted) before he is a credible run stopper.
Well then, what about Jacoby Jones? He is only in his second season and from what I've read, most fans are ready to kick him to the curb (which is absolutely ridiculous).

And your right about a DT's technique. That was my whole issue with Amobi. He played with horrible technique. He wasn't stalemating anyone, he was getting pushed right off the line of scrimmage. Plus, I didn't casually watch the replay. I focused primarily on the d-line. The first thing that stood out to me was, "Man, come on Amobi! That guard is owning you!" And as far as the Saints having a good o-line-GTFOH. Let's compare running games: Saints vs Jags, Saints vs Titans, Saints vs Colts. Advantage: AFC South. Drew Brees is so efficient with his decision making that it makes it hard for defenses to get close to him. So he makes his o-line look a lot better than it really is.

Truth is, I want Amobi to considered one of the Top 5 DT's in the NFL after this season. I want to see him do great for the Texans because I BLEED BATTLE RED! He is going to have to pick it up though. He was picked 10th in the draft for a reason. He should start playing like it.
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"He was picked 10th in the draft for a reason. He should start playing like it."

Another way to look at is, "He was picked 10th in the draft for a reason. We should stop expecting him to perform on the same level as Mario."
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This reminds me of the infamous Mario Williams thread last pre-season. "Mario Williams 0 0 0 0 0 0".
HOOOT DOG! One of my threads is now infamous - Sweet.

I've always been a Mario supporter but I have to admit, I was very worried in preseason and through the midway point of last season.

I haven't watched the DVR game yet, so we'll see. I will say this, the best angle to watch this type of football is from behind and most televised games only have the one angle.

I really wish they'd have a show on the NFL channel showing various angles of a play. Kind of a game tape thing.
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Looks like I wasn't the only one noticing how bad Amobi Okoye has been playing this preseason. This today from my main man LZ:

I remember reading Gary Kubiak's comments about Amobi Okoye playing well after the New Orleans game, but what I saw was a DT who got pushed around against the run just like last season. Against the Cowboys, it was more of the same for Okoye, Travis Jackson and Anthony Weaver.

And for those who think that Richard Smith and his scheme have nothing to do with some of the Texans defensive problems, he went on to say this:

I'm still waiting for the Texans to cut Okoye loose and let him shoot the gaps and be a disruptive player rather than a "block catcher" who gets moved around too easily. He isn't going to win too many physical battles so he has to be put in position to disruptive and play angles.

IMO, that's on the coach. RS needs to adjust what he wants to do to fit each players individual strengths or weaknesses. Yes, the players have their share of the responsibility to perform. But, they need to be put in the right position to maximize what they do best. Just a little more evidence that Richard Smith may not be the right man for the job.
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Because LZ said it doesn't make it true or right.
No one said it was true or right. It's just an opinion. Just like yours and mine. I'm just basing mine off of what I saw out of Amobi. Just so happens that me and Lance are seeing the same thing.
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This person gave the game ball to Okoye, and said he was the best player on our defense against the Boys.

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I actually agree with him. I'm sure all of them had a good play here and there, but IMO, the Dline was *****-slapped from the beginning.

MW appeared to be the only one making an effort. The rest of them were playing patty cake. I'm assuming Colvin's going through the motions until the regular season. If not, he's done. I think I could do better off the edge than he has.

Weaver....Pffft! He's not even worth typing about.
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I actually agree with him. I'm sure all of them had a good play here and there, but IMO, the Dline was *****-slapped from the beginning.

MW appeared to be the only one making an effort. The rest of them were playing patty cake. I'm assuming Colvin's going through the motions until the regular season. If not, he's done. I think I could do better off the edge than he has.

Weaver....Pffft! He's not even worth typing about.
Sunday morning I watched all the defensive plays to the Cowboy game in slow motion. Given what I saw, this analysis is spot on. I will add that Omobi was at least making an effort but he's just not shaking the o-lineman and got pushed around all over the place. TJ, Weaver, and others were just going through the motions.

The defense is so vanilla its sad.
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Looks like I wasn't the only one noticing how bad Amobi Okoye has been playing this preseason. This today from my main man LZ:

I remember reading Gary Kubiak's comments about Amobi Okoye playing well after the New Orleans game, but what I saw was a DT who got pushed around against the run just like last season. Against the Cowboys, it was more of the same for Okoye, Travis Jackson and Anthony Weaver.

And for those who think that Richard Smith and his scheme have nothing to do with some of the Texans defensive problems, he went on to say this:

I'm still waiting for the Texans to cut Okoye loose and let him shoot the gaps and be a disruptive player rather than a "block catcher" who gets moved around too easily. He isn't going to win too many physical battles so he has to be put in position to disruptive and play angles.

IMO, that's on the coach. RS needs to adjust what he wants to do to fit each players individual strengths or weaknesses. Yes, the players have their share of the responsibility to perform. But, they need to be put in the right position to maximize what they do best. Just a little more evidence that Richard Smith may not be the right man for the job.
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The one thing that stood out to me was how bad Amobi Okoye played. I mean, he flat out stunk. He had no burst off the ball, wasn't strong at the point of attack, was blown off the line of scrimmage several times, played too high, and showed absolutely no penetration.
I caught a lot of flack from some of you guys about my assessment of Amobi in the preseason. But..I mean, I told you so. Hate to say it because we need him to be productive. Same thing I saw in the preseason with him is the same thing going on against the Steelers. Anybody care for some crow etoufee?
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I caught a lot of flack from some of you guys about my assessment of Amobi in the preseason. But..I mean, I told you so. Hate to say it because we need him to be productive. Same thing I saw in the preseason with him is the same thing going on against the Steelers. Anybody care for some crow etoufee?
Yea... and it was still just one game. Give me a whole season of lousy production (or lack thereof) and I will eat everyones crow, because I just don't see it.
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Yea... and it was still just one game.
Well..not really. This is more of a carry-over from last the latter part of last season, thru the preseason, and into the first game.
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Well..not really. This is more of a carry-over from last the latter part of last season, thru the preseason, and into the first game.
You means from his rookie wall to the first game in his sophomore's season? Ok, let's forget what he did the first half of his rookie season, let's forget he was the youngest player to ever be drafted, let's forget that DT is one of the hardest position for a college player to translate his game over in the pros.

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As hard as it will be for most to accept I have this to say about Amobi:
Get back to me when hes about 23 years old. Seriously, he flashes but the dude is so young anything he gives us now is icing on the cake imo. I'm not handing out free passes to anyone else on the team, we stunk today and it was a deflating loss but this guy will be fine.
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