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Old 08-17-2008   #21
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I'm a big Slaton fan RJ. He was a steal in the 3rd RD.

This is more about getting rid of Green by any means necessary.
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Lamont Jordan was picked up by the Patriots and I'm sure the Colts are happy with Keith and Hart behind Addai. I believe the Colts kept 4 backs all year last year also.
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I don't think either of those guys are garbage pile pickups. L. Jordan would be a great pickup if available, but being realistic, he'll be Addai's backup. Keith was solid last year, so I don't see him getting released. Keith was Addai's backup last year, correct? Because correct if I'm not getting the right guy.
Rhodes & M. Hart played ahead of Keith last night against Balt.


There are going to be running backs cut, that are better than anything we currently have (excluding Slaton).We just have to be patient.
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Rhodes & M. Hart played ahead of Keith last night against Balt.


There are going to be running backs cut, that are better than anything we currently have (excluding Slaton).We just have to be patient.
Sometimes you just gotta wonder if a scheme made a RB look a lot better than he really his. Seems like Indy might have that extra special something that makes their RBs excel, much like Denver of yore. Because I don't remember Rhodes being very special after he left, and I think he was fairly productive in Indy behind Edge. Of course, all my non-Texan player knowledge comes from fantasy football, so I may be wrong.

I'm surprised we didnt take a shot at Jordan. Now he's a guy I could get a bit excited about. Pickups like C. Brown and M. Shipp are like kissing your sister, but if that's all you get, well, I guess you just gotta pucker up.
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The Pats are currently running

1st team Maroney
2nd team Sammy Morris
3rd team K. Faulk4
4th team H. Evans as a FB short yardage runner.

It's likely Jordan willbe cut.
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2nd team Sammy Morris
3rd team K. Faulk4
4th team H. Evans as a FB short yardage runner.

It's likely Jordan willbe cut.
Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
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Shipp has pretty much ideal size and was a up and coming back till he had some injury issues. I'm just glad we are still looking at backs since nobody has impressed me much other than Slaton (I hope he gets some first team touches next week).
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One day after the Texans beat New Orleans 31-27, coach Gary Kubiak said he plans to use Slaton with the starters against the Dallas Cowboys on Friday. I think hes earned the right to get some reps with the first group, Kubiak said Sunday. He played pretty darn well.
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Sometimes you just gotta wonder if a scheme made a RB look a lot better than he really his. Seems like Indy might have that extra special something that makes their RBs excel, much like Denver of yore. Because I don't remember Rhodes being very special after he left, and I think he was fairly productive in Indy behind Edge. Of course, all my non-Texan player knowledge comes from fantasy football, so I may be wrong.

I'm surprised we didnt take a shot at Jordan. Now he's a guy I could get a bit excited about. Pickups like C. Brown and M. Shipp are like kissing your sister, but if that's all you get, well, I guess you just gotta pucker up.
Didn't Rhodes end up in Oakland behind Jordan et. al.? He really didn't get much of a shot out there.
And I'm totally in agreement on Jordan; he would be a much more interesting addition than Shipp. I think Shipp is bargain-basement camp fodder.
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Rhodes had a few 100 yard games after Fargas got hurt last year @ OAK.

They must have thought Rhodes is better than Keith or they wouldn't have brought him in.
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Rhodes had a few 100 yard games after Fargas got hurt last year @ OAK.

They must have thought Rhodes is better than Keith or they wouldn't have brought him in.
Really, shows you how much I don't pay attention to guys not on my FFB team after the draft. LOL. Didn't Jordan outplay him, though? I remember Jordan haven't some good games despite OAK's general woes.
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Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
It could go down like this.

I would a look @ Morris if it went down that way. He loooked good last year until he got hurt against Dallas.

Morris is a stud special teams player. Kubes said he wants to upgrade the ST. Which is why I don't think the Pats will cut him.

Just throwing ideas out there.
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Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
It could go down like this.

I would a look @ Morris if it went down that way. He loooked good last year until he got hurt against Dallas.

Morris is a stud special teams player. Kubes said he wants to upgrade the ST. Which is why I don't think the Pats will cut him.

Just throwing ideas out there.
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If the Shipp comes in - it won't be a bad thing. Like someone alread said at least they are not satisfied with the running back situation in its current state. I liked Slaton before but I am really starting to like him now.
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Shipp seems like an older version of the Mike Bell/Chris Taylor line of hybrid RB/FB who can play specail teams well. Overall, if he winds up getting significant carries with teh Texans at best we are getting by.
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Jordan didn't play against TB tonight.
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Rick Smith said on-air last night that someone would be brought in within the next week to "solidify the position."
I should have realized that would rule out Ron Dayne, who is in a liquid gel form.

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I wouldn't panic right now. We're still light years ahead of last year at the RB position. Remember, we've got Darius Walker as our 5th string HB. Green should be ready to go by week one. Certainly, he's way beyond being counted on for the season, but he'll be healthy and ready to go if we choose to have him on the team.

Let's say Shipp doesn't work out and Green gets cut:

still, between Slaton, CTaylor, CBrown, and Darius Walker we have very good depth and a significant amount of promise: Brown will be good in the 8-10 games he's healthy. Taylor should be effective in short yardage and may continue to progress in the ZBS. Slaton is showing a lot of potential. He should be able to see 10-15 carries a game and at least provide a serious homerun threat. And Walker can be counted on to play solidly in a pinch.

My concern with the running game, primarily, is the continued progression of the Oline. I think it definitely looked better this week- fewer missed assignments, it appeared. Also, Brown was better. I have a very difficult time seeing what's going on with the guards on the running plays but there certainly wasn't as much penetration up the middle this week.
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Ahman seems to have some kind of protective angel despite no productivity or playing time he's still the Texans featured back. reminds me of Kubiaks first season, extending Carr, convinced he could be his starter

so then it falls directly on Chris Taylor, still to raw, often hurt, missing blocks in protection something a FB has to master. If the Texans carry two fullbacks its gonna be Leach & Cook, the Taylor @ FB experiment is failing. Marcel Shipp is a RB who can block. All I gotta say is he better come into camp healthy & in shape
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Spent the entire season in 2004 on injury reserve due to an ankle and leg injury.

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Horrible stats, too.

Eeek.

I seem to remember he dislocated his ankle and probably broke his leg in the process as they do often seem to come together. I am all for taking another look at some backs however I know most won't agree but with Ahmans pulled groin, hammy whatever it is. I believe were this the regular season he would be playing. There is just no point letting something like that fester in games that don't matter.
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Ahman seems to have some kind of protective angel despite no productivity or playing time he's still the Texans featured back.
I'm guessing the protective angel is in-part the org's unwillingness to already declare failure on the guy after spending millions of the bosses money on him - which is balanced with the devil on the other shoulder that's yet another 4 million of the bosses money waiting to be guaranteeed to him in two weeks if he makes the 53. If I'm McNair, I'm not sure I want to just give away any more money to a guy that can't play one play in pre-season without taking himself out of the game after falling down untouched.

Unfortunately all we see or hear from Ahman is him scoffing at fan's comments on radio interviews about him no longer able to stay healthy, or those smirky, smarmy little video comments ranging from 'it's (the groin injury) nothing' to I don't know when I'll be ready to play' or 'that's football.' It's not football. It's an old vet whose at the end of his career that's caught in a place between his lost fire and desire to play football - and another guaranteed 4 million if he makes the 53. His agent was overheard at dinner the other night saying "just make the 53 baby." (humor)

This wouldn't be such a big deal if it wasn't the flippin' RB1 roster spot. I think comments like 'he's a vet and knows his body better than anyone' or 'he's just saving himself for the regular season' are bullshit. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of being strung along. I saw comments from Kubiak recently where he said AG was having serious doubts about his future last year during his knee thing. If those doubts were there last year, you can be assured that they are back this year, despite his great summer workout sessions and training camp (all with no or limited contact I might add). If I'm McNair, I'm putting a lot of pressure on Rick Smith to assure me that Ahman can come back healthy and add some value to the team this year before I throw another 4 mill at him. I'm highly skeptical and thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation. Prove me wrong Ahman.

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